JamalSpunky
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I only know this because of an interview with the writer/director on the "The Treatment" podcast.
"Detroit"...I'm gonna rant a bit
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I only know this because of an interview with the writer/director on the "The Treatment" podcast.
JamalSpunky
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WW don't realize how many BW hate them. Hate them even more than WM actually. Which is why I laugh at leftist white women in particular worshiping at the altars of Beyonce, Rhianna, Oprah, Ava, Lupita, etc.
darkcurry
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But oddly enough don't like the term becky. Well what type of black women do they think uses it? lol.
Bliss
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Not until l came to this country did l learn this. A rude awakening. Heartbreaking actually. I adored them growing up, of what l was exposed to from afar.
I know some beautifully souled BW and most l meet take to me, and l to them. Get along great.
It's the online women that trouble me. The venim and hate is...overwhelming. It forced me to become defensive. Didn't understand where the hate came from. Blamed for every wrong. WW called every type of name. So l don't really reach out anymore, just to those BW in my life whom l love and respect, and strangers who l meet along the way who are not prejudiced/racist and are who are lovely humans to everyone.
ColiBreh1
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Yeah seeing how much BW hate WW made me realize BM don't really hate WM like that. BM hate racism more so than specifically WM.
Also, I always chuckle when I see white liberals doing their version of "The BW is God" lipservice.
Bliss
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Meh, I might give Landline a chance from what you said above.
Ok, you mentioned 'the Big Sick' twice...so l looked up the trailer to the weird movie title l had not heard before.
l LOOOVED IT!
Had me totally laughing out loud!! Now that kind of movie theme l love. Ray Romano? Pffft..awesome deadpan actor. It's a great story line (fits in with my marriage-proxy culture, lol) and the Uber scene...hilarious stuff.
l love culture themes.Gee, had l not read your posts l never would have known about this movie that l now definitely want to see.
(Same with DarkCurry's mention of 'The Mountain Between Us'.)
Thanks!
ColiBreh1
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Bliss
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Well now...very interesting, indeed.
His video could open a barrage of topics.
I will say this, he kept harping on the fact that,
"..Once you (BM) tell a white woman that you don't like black women, she will mistreat you, because she doesn't have. BW as competition to keep her on her toes, and that even if you do not like black women - tell her you do, so she will always treat you better because she thinks she competing with other black women.."
I don't necessarily agree with that because #1.) I feel if a man doesn't like Black women et al, l would hope his concern would not be potential mistreatment by revealing it, but rather, he'd run a higher risk of losing some of her *respect for him.. To feel so hard that he completely cuts out another 'race' of women...well, that bodes a little to his character, right?
(Now if it's a certain type of Black woman/behavior, then that would be understandable)
#2.) If he tells you that he doesn't like black women, it's not then a 'sure thing' for a WW from there on out, because WW are still in direct competition with other white women who like black men. So competition will always be there, regardless. Thusly, (other than treating you man well because you love him smh), if competition is your motivation, that never stops just because he doesn't like black women.
I personally couldn't care less if he likes both types, it makes him normal as it should be. (The ones you worry about are the DL men. That's a 16-rounder to keep your man, lol. No thanks. Not worth the fight. Bye.)
#3)If a man doesn't like black women for whatever reason/s, it can also motivate a white woman to treat him even better. Because, it's actually an honor to be loved by a great man, but in particular, a black man, who actually puts a lot on the line to be with you - he cops it from his end just as much as white women do, so for this reason as well, it makes a WW appreciate a BM more.
ColiBreh1
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I was specfically asking about is it true about the part where he says that BW will be friendly or friends with WW, but turn on that WW when they find out she's into BM.
The Dark King
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I got to about 7 minutes and this entire thing is horseshit.
Here's where I have to be fair to bw, when the standard of beauty constantly being pushed on you isn't you its not surprising they become a little bitter. Beauty for women is like money for men the less you have the less social value you have. We saw this recently with that white woman getting shot by the cops, I have literally never seen this kind of outrage when the woman is black. Look how the cops treat black female children ie that girl in the classroom and that girl at the pool party, they were man handled like they were grown men not delicate flowers. It understandably breeds anger and resentment, who wants to be treated less than for how they naturally come into the world not to mention the same features like a big ass, full lips, and box braids are considered "ghetto" on them but everyone swoons when its on a non black woman's body. Now with that said its not even close to being everyone but like with most things the silent majority always gets drowned out by the vocal minority. Most women of any race aren't sitting around hating on a soul if they have options and are desired. A lot of these angry women, who hate strangers are plain unhappy and need to project that shit onto someone. Plenty of black women can be and are close with non black women, kinship is a soul connection it has little to do with an outward experience. One my closest friends is a 5 ft white woman who doesn't have that much in common with me on the surface but we are kindred just like I am with other people.
Now let's tackle this bottom of the barrel thinking, I at one point would agree that overall ww in this country can not see anyone outside of ww as their prince charming and at one point I considered that a negative but as I've gotten older there are several things I see as fact.
1. Wack people attract other wack people, if you find yourself with "bottom of the barrel" women its because that's where your thinking is and you're mentally stuck there so that's all you can afford in your life. You won't attract what you want if you aren't what you want. Don't get me wrong dating is frustrating and dating apps will have you thinking every woman wants a white dude but its not true.
2. I won't deny there is a strong sentiment of anti-blackness overall but when it comes to individuals as long as you're neat polite and interesting its not hard to meet people. Like most things I think black men have to be more savvy, but its not a negative. If I used to dating apps as a barometer for dating I would say shit looks pretty grim. You'd think no one is into black people, but there is so many blessings in that. For one you aren't stuck on this carousel of flaky women who are just there to pass the time and it forces you to go out and meet people. Online dating I'd be lucky if 1 in 20 women responded, in real life my even my goofy looking ass had a 1 in 3 success rate. Women want a decent looking man who will approach them with a little respect and some confidence. Confidence that whether it works out or not its no big deal. That shit is universal and works on most women.
3. Most importantly I wish people would stop treating rejection like a bad thing. If you aren't meeting who you want to meet or more importantly you get rejected by people you want change your wants or change yourself. Rejection can be incredibly helpful, it keeps you away from people who are bad fit especially those who are so limited in their thinking that skin tone is a deciding factor in who they date. You lose absolutely nothing by not having people like that in your life.
Bliss
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I have not found that to be true as a whole.
Most whom I've befriended know from the jump by my man, and those who are strangers, once they find out, don't outwardly express distaste. That's not to say a few aren't just being polite and behind closed doors don't like it..lDK.. I prefer authenticity. If you don't like IR, don't pretend you're ok with it. I try to keep those kind of characters at a distance from me in my life, but it's not always possible, work environments being an example. When someone doesn't like you because of your race or choice of partners, their dislike is often palpable. It's very sad.
We already know that W/BM are the most hated, the most interfered with pairing on the planet. People are obsessed with it, and obsessed with keeping us apart. I always say you have to have a strength of character fon IR and an iron stomach for people's reactions.
JamalSpunky
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White society has placed white men on an even bigger pedestal than white women. And that's because white men have been running white society all along. Western society has made it clear that white males are the idealized man. Not just in terms of money but power, authority, paternal responsibility, bravery, inventiveness and, yes, looks. So black men have had to complete against that forever in the USA. Let's stop pretending as if only black women had to deal with that bullshit. But unlike black women, black men have never gotten a fullcourt press from the black community to promote their beauty to the masses. Black women in today's mainstream media are more likely to be referred to as sex symbols than black guys (in part because the entertainment industry seems to only have use for gorgeous black female for the music, television and film industries). Great looking black men on the other hand have historically been more of a threat to white society because they mean competition for white males. There have been studies on how straight black men don't get hired as easily as gay black men for the same office jobs. That all comes down to straight white guys don't want to compete. Thus in our society the looks of Black men are downplayed because people are uncomfortable with black male sexuality.
White males' sexuality on the other hand is played up. It's emphasized. And it is portrayed purposely in a way to make white men desirable to all women. That's why in movies they romance and bed women of all races. It's why virtually every drama or action film with a white male lead must include a romantic conquest if not a love scene. And all of this media bombardment has made white dudes the standard bearer of male beauty. It shows in how while some women, of all races, are not yet willing to accept a black male character as the male portion of an on-screen couple, almost no women reject white males in that position. And people are worrying that black women are getting a bad break? The media has been putting out a negative image of Black men forever. They are portrayed as bad men, criminals, bad fathers, non-romantic, less handsome, less driven, less important, etc. There are no cartoon characters or heroic princes or leading franchise characters that look like black men who can boost how good black boys feel about themselves. There is no one out there who seem to be even pushing the idea unlike the folks who make it their goal to boost the morale of Black girls. Black males are told from childhood that they are the enemy of society. No one does a thing for them on these fronts. But fortunately black males have their own internal swag that allows them to have their share of self-confidence.
I don't doubt the obstacles black women have faced in terms of being viewed as desirable. But black women have had the benefit of winning Miss America contests and being the focus of shows like the Bachelorette too. The situation increasingly gets better for them. Forgive me if I don't shed any tears. No one has ever given black people anything in this country.
White males' sexuality on the other hand is played up. It's emphasized. And it is portrayed purposely in a way to make white men desirable to all women. That's why in movies they romance and bed women of all races. It's why virtually every drama or action film with a white male lead must include a romantic conquest if not a love scene. And all of this media bombardment has made white dudes the standard bearer of male beauty. It shows in how while some women, of all races, are not yet willing to accept a black male character as the male portion of an on-screen couple, almost no women reject white males in that position. And people are worrying that black women are getting a bad break? The media has been putting out a negative image of Black men forever. They are portrayed as bad men, criminals, bad fathers, non-romantic, less handsome, less driven, less important, etc. There are no cartoon characters or heroic princes or leading franchise characters that look like black men who can boost how good black boys feel about themselves. There is no one out there who seem to be even pushing the idea unlike the folks who make it their goal to boost the morale of Black girls. Black males are told from childhood that they are the enemy of society. No one does a thing for them on these fronts. But fortunately black males have their own internal swag that allows them to have their share of self-confidence.
I don't doubt the obstacles black women have faced in terms of being viewed as desirable. But black women have had the benefit of winning Miss America contests and being the focus of shows like the Bachelorette too. The situation increasingly gets better for them. Forgive me if I don't shed any tears. No one has ever given black people anything in this country.
Bliss
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I read a spoiler that the Bachelorette picked the White guy of the three. Shocked, l tell ya.
You are right, there are multiple Black female sex symbols in the entertainment industry, and usually, what, one or two BM? Denzel of the past, Idris and maybe The Rock today? One at a time only please. Smh. (The rest with limited popularity are usually lightskin or mixed black men or commedians.)
Look, the fact is, Black men are the competition on the World stage and in the bedroom. (In the boardroom it's Asian, Bruce Lee being the sexual and masculine exception).
The second fact is, White (Jewish) men invented the Movies, funded and created Movie Studios, so yes, they are going to promote themselves and serve their own interests first. Just Look at the Tarzan character. King of the African Jungle..really? Lol.
This is why Tyler Perry can't be the only Black Movie Studio owner, (gawd)...a few more are desperately needed because then the narrative can be better controlled. Until then, White owned studios will continue to fund and push their narratives of BP and WP through their own lens.
Of course, I'm not saying Gangster movies or slavery movies don't serve their purpose, (especially historically for slavery) but it's to the point now that it's almost a subconcious expectation - the violent rutheless character, or the victim slave.
With that in mind, sympathy for what ancestral Black men went through, does not equate to respect of Black men today.
They need to make more movies of modern day strong Black male characters, smart characters and historical Warrior soldiers.
And yes, start making make romance movies of Black men with White women, filled with the relationship complexity of every other romance pairing. The only ones that come to mind are both Poiter's; A Patch of Blue and LWCTD. And the girl was blind in A Patch of Blue, lol.
Subliminals count. I mean, look at 'The Big Sick' - the guy is Indian! And not that cute, either. Certainly not Bollywood leading-man level. And then recall heartthrob Denzel's only "IR" romance movie...yep, with an Indian woman ( 'Mississippi Masala)'.
darkcurry
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I have pointed out before that IR has been happening on tv and in movies LONG before when the media lead us on to when Most of it has been has involved white men. I was watching a old episode of Sea Hunt last week where he kissed a asian woman on the show. This show ran from 1958 to 1961. There were states, before they banned ALL IR marriages, there were states that allowed white men to marry whoever they wanted regardless of race. White man's world is a real analogy of the U.S.. A black man damn near have to be perfect from looks, to career, can't get into trouble, ect. especially if they are famous!
Everything you described is exactly HOW black men are treated secondary to white men more than black women are treated secondary to white women. The most famous black female athlete Serena Williams is considered sexy by a lot of people, she's a sex symbol in the media. The most famous black male athlete Lebron James or Steph Curry aren't. Fans have mostly made Odell Beckham, jr a sex symbol the media for the most part ignores that. But that is mostly where fame as far as famous black guys comes from, the fans. The media always wants to downplay it though.
Bliss
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Curious..In what world is Serena viewed as a sex-symbol?
Steph is a bit simpish with Ayesha always in the picture, and he's too pretty to be a sex-symbol.
Lebron is sexy yes, but he's somewhat intimidating, and he portrays himself as a business man more than playing up his looks. He's got that mature/old man look already, lol.
The Dark King
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You re pointing to extraordinary exceptions in entertainment and your points are spot on but in terms of everyday people I see ordinary everyday black men always with someone. I've never heard of a black guy who was single for 5 years or more unless he's locked black women on the other hand find that shit common.
I just find in everyday dating we do have it a little easier
The Dark King
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Well let's be fair the most accomplished tennis player doesn't get the most endorsements the pretty blonde girl does.
I have pointed out before that IR has been happening on tv and in movies LONG before when the media lead us on to when Most of it has been has involved white men. I was watching a old episode of Sea Hunt last week where he kissed a asian woman on the show. This show ran from 1958 to 1961. There were states, before they banned ALL IR marriages, there were states that allowed white men to marry whoever they wanted regardless of race. White man's world is a real analogy of the U.S.. A black man damn near have to be perfect from looks, to career, can't get into trouble, ect. especially if they are famous!
Everything you described is exactly HOW black men are treated secondary to white men more than black women are treated secondary to white women. The most famous black female athlete Serena Williams is considered sexy by a lot of people, she's a sex symbol in the media. The most famous black male athlete Lebron James or Steph Curry aren't. Fans have mostly made Odell Beckham, jr a sex symbol the media for the most part ignores that. But that is mostly where fame as far as famous black guys comes from, the fans. The media always wants to downplay it though.
You can't say that for men in sports. No one is giving (insert pretty white basketball player) endorsements over LeBron or Steph.
I will give you this though Serena has had her heart broken by multiple white men but you NEVER hear any dumb sunken place references about her. Let that be any black athlete its over.
I'm beginning to see bm better learn to love themselves like bw do and be unapologetic about it because it's clear they hate us
Reverie
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I do and I have lost patient with it, since we the WW is not the problem.
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Reverie
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Lebron is sex on legs personified, Steph seem a bit too soft for me and his wife is insufferable.
DudeNY12
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Preach it my friend, preach!