Sexual Harassment/Assault Scandals

andreboba said:
Right. I get that. It's not like I'm this huge fan of Mark Wahlberg, but at the same time I give him the benefit of the doubt that he's changed his life from who he was as an adolescent. When I was very young, my mom used to be a social worker down South for 'at risk' bad azz fucked up White kids.
Meaning, when you explained to them why stealing was wrong, they would tell my mom, "Well, if he didn't want his car radio stolen, why did he leave his doors unlocked??"

If we assume neo nazies and KKK members can be de-programmed and change their opinions about race relations, until I see further evidence, maybe Marky Mark grew up after 30 years and isn't the same thug racist.

My 2 cents.
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Those are great points. I'm just hating on him for making, "Feel The Vibration" and possibly being a religious con-servative.
 
He finally speaks out...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-date.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailceleb




...Meanwhile Ashley Judd going down the Lena Dunham path. She came out and defended and downplayed allegations against James Franco. Further proof that some of these women get their sense about them when it's someone they love, respect, have some kind of relationship with or what have you and don't flat out believe the accusers, but WILL flat out and believe the accusers if it's a guy they don't have any of those feelings for.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ley-Judd-James-Francos-response-terrific.html

BTW, I don't think he is guilty of what he is being accused of since even the director of one of the films says they have video proof. But notice how people are already using his "good looks" to defend him.
 
Now the #metoo activists are trying to say what Aziz is really guilty of is sexual coercion.
LOL.

Every man I know is guilty of some form of sexual coercion when it comes to women and sex.
And as far as know, sexual coercion is only a crime when it happens between adults and children.

Dude needs to step up and speak on this 'cause I really think they might be trying to squash his career.
IMO he should do a stand up routine on that entire date.

I was reading that this chick was basically a groupie. She met Aziz at I think a Grammy party in LA while she was on a date with another dude, then gave Aziz her number so they could get together back in NYC.

She probably thought Aziz would like her for real and want to date her semi-seriously.
But Aziz only saw a GROUPIE who wanted to fuck a TV star.

You know she was a groupie who saw BF material because she wanted their date to last longer, but he was ready to bounce after one glass of wine and go back to his apartment.

Curious to see how this plays out.
 
andreboba said:
Now the #metoo activists are trying to say what Aziz is really guilty of is sexual coercion.
LOL.

Every man I know is guilty of some form of sexual coercion when it comes to women and sex.
And as far as know, sexual coercion is only a crime when it happens between adults and children.

Dude needs to step up and speak on this 'cause I really think they might be trying to squash his career.
IMO he should do a stand up routine on that entire date.

I was reading that this chick was basically a groupie. She met Aziz at I think a Grammy party in LA while she was on a date with another dude, then gave Aziz her number so they could get together back in NYC.

She probably thought Aziz would like her for real and want to date her semi-seriously.
But Aziz only saw a GROUPIE who wanted to fuck a TV star.

You know she was a groupie who saw BF material because she wanted their date to last longer, but he was ready to bounce after one glass of wine and go back to his apartment.

Curious to see how this plays out.
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It's not even coercion, because that means he pressured, forced, threatened or tricked her and nowhere in that text she suggests he did any of that. They were already engaged in consensual sexual and passionate acts like kissing, getting naked and him giving her oral, which by the way she bared no mention of being uncomfortable with that. That incident where she said he kept placing her hand on his penis after she kept moving it was VAGUELY described, because my questions are: they literally said nothing to each other that whole time? Just kept doing that? That could've been taken as hard to get. Especially when you just had consensual physical contact with one another. Women play that game, I have had a girl play that game when it came to flirting. Should I be worried now that she would want to come out and said I coerced her into a date with me? She told him to slow down, she didn't say NO. And I would think that putting their clothes back on and watching TV is pretty fucking slow. lol. Not to mention when she said she was going to call an uber to leave he called one for her and paid for it. This sounds like just what he said; he misread things, her non-verbal "communication". Because he COMPLIED when she said something. People who are trying to sexually coerce you don't comply AT ALL. They want him to be guilty so bad it's sickening.

I think you are right, she didn't get what she wanted out of their night and the next day that reflection was regret that she realized she was a groupie and he treated the situation as such. A hook up.

Kudos for those few people in the media and on social media defending him though.

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/the-humiliation-of-aziz-ansari/550541/
 
darkcurry said:
It's not even coercion, because that means he pressured, forced, threatened or tricked her and nowhere in that text she suggests he did any of that. They were already engaged in consensual sexual and passionate acts like kissing, getting naked and him giving her oral, which by the way she bared no mention of being uncomfortable with that. That incident where she said he kept placing her hand on his penis after she kept moving it was VAGUELY described, because my questions are: they literally said nothing to each other that whole time? Just kept doing that? That could've been taken as hard to get. Especially when you just had consensual physical contact with one another. Women play that game, I have had a girl play that game when it came to flirting. Should I be worried now that she would want to come out and said I coerced her into a date with me? She told him to slow down, she didn't say NO. And I would think that putting their clothes back on and watching TV is pretty fucking slow. lol. Not to mention when she said she was going to call an uber to leave he called one for her and paid for it. This sounds like just what he said; he misread things, her non-verbal "communication". Because he COMPLIED when she said something. People who are trying to sexually coerce you don't comply AT ALL. They want him to be guilty so bad it's sickening.

I think you are right, she didn't get what she wanted out of their night and the next day that reflection was regret that she realized she was a groupie and he treated the situation as such. A hook up.

Kudos for those few people in the media and on social media defending him though.

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/the-humiliation-of-aziz-ansari/550541/
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NYT is also defending him: https://nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opinion/aziz-ansari-babe-sexual-harassment.html
 
I will say - I'm really glad that some of them are coming out against Woody Allen now. Just wish it wouldn't have taken so long!! Too bad people didn't take Dillon seriously.
 
K said:
I will say - I'm really glad that some of them are coming out against Woody Allen now. Just wish it wouldn't have taken so long!! Too bad people didn't take Dillon seriously.
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Some of these #MeToo celebrities DEFENDED him too. That's something to remember.
 
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Thump said:
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http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2018/01/woman-claims-aziz-ansari-sexually-assaulted-her-on-date
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darkcurry said:
... If this was sexual assault as she claim then guess what the statue of limitations are NOT UP! Go to the police. No instead she went to some gossip website first. She obviously didn't take it that serious. This is another reason why he needs to sue this woman. She just wanted to take him down. And take advantage of the gullible women that are apart of the #MeToo movement.
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You've stated this in several posts. She never said he sexually assaulted her.
Don't take a third- party's header accusation (The link above), or SM comments by others, as her own.
 
K said:
Exactly!!!
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It's like when some of these celebs speak out against racism. Most of the time it be:

1) Because it's trendy

2) They be pandering

3) Don't want to be called out, draw attention to themselves in a negative light

Very rarely is it sincere, what they really feel.
 
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Bliss said:
You've stated this in several posts. She never said he sexually assaulted her.
Don't take a third- party's header accusation (The link above), or SM comments by others, as her own.
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I'm not, I'm talking in reference to those stating that it was. After reviewing the texts I even stated she doesn't reference sexual assault
here --> http://www.whitewomenblackmen.com/f...arassment-scandals.29417/page-50#post-1077085

But with that said she did came out with the story to that website because she saw him speaking on the #MeToo movement and wearing a #TimesUp pin at the Golden Globes. Sounded like she knew what would happen if she came out with that story.

In my opinion she played people and got away with it because she knew she could. Especially if they paid her for that story.
 
darkcurry said:
I'm not, I'm talking in reference to those stating that it was. After reviewing the texts I even stated she doesn't reference sexual assault
here --> http://www.whitewomenblackmen.com/f...arassment-scandals.29417/page-50#post-1077085

But with that said she did came out with the story to that website because she saw him speaking on the #MeToo movement and wearing a #TimesUp pin at the Golden Globes. Sounded like she knew what would happen if she came out with that story.

In my opinion she played people and got away with it because she knew she could. Especially if they paid her for that story.
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Yep.. I did read each post that you've made on it and I saw that you did say that she doesn't reference that in her text, however, your response to it was that he should sue her because "she claimed it was sexual assault, (but never claims it in her texts)".

I just think it's important to clarify that she never once said sexual assault, be it the story to babe.Net or, as you noted, in her text to him.

I think with our reading others interpretations of it, we can sometimes get subtley caught up in theirs.
 
darkcurry said:
It's like when some of these celebs speak out against racism. Most of the time it be:

1) Because it's trendy

2) They be pandering

3) Don't want to be called out, draw attention to themselves in a negative light

Very rarely is it sincere, what they really feel.
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sad.....but true
 
So this stranger sees Weinstein in a restaurant, and slaps his face...


A few days later, this info is dug up and made the "news" rounds..

REVEALED: Harvey Weinstein-slapper is Steve Salamone, 46, a shoplifting rattlesnake-whisperer, who allegedly owes $60k in child support, spent five years in prison and was charged with driving on a suspended licence days before the attack.

Which prompted this observation....
"Looks like those Harvey employees can dig up dirt on anyone."

He did the same thing to his rape accusers, if you recall..

 
Bliss said:
Yep.. I did read each post that you've made on it and I saw that you did say that she doesn't reference that in her text, however, your response to it was that he should sue her because "she claimed it was sexual assault, (but never claims it in her texts)".

I just think it's important to clarify that she never once said sexual assault, be it the story to babe.Net or, as you noted, in her text to him.

I think with our reading others interpretations of it, we can sometimes get subtley caught up in theirs.
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Yes and I did get blinded there when I said that, because the story was so vague I said sue her in reference to what she was doing, her whole play, she brought it up when he declared his support for the fight against sexual assault and harassment by wearing a “Time’s Up” pin on the red carpet. I was seeing right through her game.
 
Bliss said:
So this stranger sees Weinstein in a restaurant, and slaps his face...


A few days later, this info is dug up and made the "news" rounds..

REVEALED: Harvey Weinstein-slapper is Steve Salamone, 46, a shoplifting rattlesnake-whisperer, who allegedly owes $60k in child support, spent five years in prison and was charged with driving on a suspended licence days before the attack.

Which prompted this observation....
"Looks like those Harvey employees can dig up dirt on anyone."

He did the same thing to his rape accusers, if you recall..
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How do you know TMZ didn't get that info on their own?
 
darkcurry said:
Yes and I did get blinded there when I said that, because the story was so vague I said sue her in reference to what she was doing, her whole play, she brought it up when he declared his support for the fight against sexual assault and harassment by wearing a “Time’s Up” pin on the red carpet. I was seeing right through her game.
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Right.
But "game" or not, that was her experience.
Now if she went to the cops, l would agree, if she claimed assault, l would agree, but to want to sue her because you think she's gaming, is ridic.
She called him out because he's a phony. He has said one thing publicly, made heaps of cash off it, but behaves the exact opposite in private. Who's really gaming here.
 
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