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Frederick said:
Signed that EO last year and has either not allocated funds where promised or has had Ditzy DeVos slash the aforementioned programs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ograms-for-the-poor-slashed-in-trumps-budget/
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So this link is not about funding actual colleges, which was what my post was about.

This referenced financing prep programs for those who feel they cant cut it when tney get to college. So another topic, right?

Additionally, these subsidiaries program cuts are not unsual and do not reflect that President Trump doesn't want to help actual Black Colleges financially.

Superfluous cuts happen in every Admin.

Obama Administration Slashed Funding for School-Safety Programs
https://www.nationalreview.com/corn...unding-school-safety-programs-andrew-johnson/
 
How you gonna spend 90% of your time lying and still suck at it? If you didn't want to talk to Bob Wooward then just say you didn't want to talk to Bob Woodward. Don't throw your lackeys under the bus because you got exposed.

*sigh* oh Donnie, what are we gonna do with you?

 
Strange. I can't find the thread on Obama. I looked on here real deep(state), too!
(Maybe you can help me find it, @Loki??)

Oh well, let me just dump it here..

Obama’s silky lie and FBI bias in the Clinton investigation

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-met-james-comey-report-kass-0617-story.html

Obama told his silky lie when his chosen successor was Hillary Clinton.

Clinton had endangered top secret information by using an unsecured, home-brew email server when she was U.S. secretary of state. Any other American who dared risk top government secrets on a basement server would have faced federal prosecution and prison.

Obama’s lie was told in 2015, when Obama was asked by CBS’ Bill Plante when he learned Mrs. Clinton had used an unsecured email server.

“The same time everybody else learned it, through news reports,” Obama said. He was so silky that you couldn’t even hear his tongue rustling along his teeth.

He waxed on about how his administration was all about “transparency.”

But Obama did not learn about Clinton’s home-brew server like “everybody else.”

According to the inspector general’s report, Obama was in fact one of 13 top government officials communicating with Clinton on her private email server, even as Clinton’s server was targeted by foreign intelligence services.
 
Bliss said:
Strange. I can't find the thread on Obama. I looked on here real deep(state), too!
(Maybe you can help me find it, @Loki??)

Oh well, let me just dump it here..

Obama’s silky lie and FBI bias in the Clinton investigation

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-met-james-comey-report-kass-0617-story.html

Obama told his silky lie when his chosen successor was Hillary Clinton.

Clinton had endangered top secret information by using an unsecured, home-brew email server when she was U.S. secretary of state. Any other American who dared risk top government secrets on a basement server would have faced federal prosecution and prison.

Obama’s lie was told in 2015, when Obama was asked by CBS’ Bill Plante when he learned Mrs. Clinton had used an unsecured email server.

“The same time everybody else learned it, through news reports,” Obama said. He was so silky that you couldn’t even hear his tongue rustling along his teeth.

He waxed on about how his administration was all about “transparency.”

But Obama did not learn about Clinton’s home-brew server like “everybody else.”

According to the inspector general’s report, Obama was in fact one of 13 top government officials communicating with Clinton on her private email server, even as Clinton’s server was targeted by foreign intelligence services.
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Do you know what laws HRC broke and what the penalties for breaking those laws were??

It's really tiring listening to conservatives say with absolute certainty that HRC did something that should have landed her in prison.

At worst, Obama could have fired her if he thought her actions warranted it.
But there's no way she did something that was prosecutable.
 
andreboba said:
Do you know what laws HRC broke and what the penalties for breaking those laws were??

It's really tiring listening to conservatives say with absolute certainty that HRC did something that should have landed her in prison.

At worst, Obama could have fired her if he thought her actions warranted it.
But there's no way she did something that was prosecutable.
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  • Why Hillary Clinton has a Get Out of Jail Free card
    • By MORGAN LIDDICK

    It’s 2018. Why isn’t Hillary Clinton under arrest for mishandling and misuse of classified government documents?

    Yes, I know — this is old news about transgressions handled in the classic Clinton way: deny everything, wait until one’s acolytes in the press make enough smoke to obscure the events themselves, and then if anyone subsequently raises the question, respond with “We’ve already been over that.” Nothin’ to see here, folks.

    It would doubtless have gone according to plan save for the digging done by Judicial Watch and a few others, whose Freedom of Information lawsuits finally forced some facts, accompanied by a few actual emails, to the surface. Said emails came from the laptop of one former congressman Anthony Wiener , ex-husband of Huma Abedin — the top aide to Clinton at State and afterward. Some were classified, all were redacted — some in a way reminding the viewer of that famous Frank Zappa tune “The Black Page.” None had any business being on Weiner’s laptop, or anywhere outside of a U.S. Government secure system....
    I can hear the objections already so, before we continue, a few points of fact. Both sections 798 and 1924 of U.S. Code Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 93 apply here. The first covers improper removal and storage of classified material, the latter with revealing or causing to be revealed classified information. Neither mentions “intent,” only actions. Both title 18 and State Department regulations, specifically guidelines K and M dealing with classified material, stipulate that classification is caused by content, not markings. One cannot declassify documents simply by snipping off the header and footer, as Hillary Clinton’s loopy “nothing marked classified” suggested. So when former FBI director Comey said, essentially, that prosecution was not possible since there was no bad intent, he was not relating fact. At best, he was respectfully tugging his forelock as the queen passed. AG Lynch did the same a few days later when she closed the never-serious investigation.

    John V. Berry, a Northern Virginia lawyer specializing in security clearance cases put it best in a 2016 Washington Post op-ed:
  • “Clinton’s use of a personal server for classified government email, without appropriate approvals and security, would normally be treated as a serious security violation. Another security violation would be the storage and transmission of classified materials using personal (nongovernmental) means off site.” He continued by noting that, based on his experience, had an ordinary employee done what either Hillary or Ms. Abedin did they would certainly lose their security clearance, be fined substantially and probably face jail time. But, not Hillary and her posse. They’re special.

    Here are the facts about what has come to light on Anthony Weiner’s laptop, doubtless put there by Huma Abedin when they were briefly married. The FBI uncovered 110 mails in 52 chains between Abedin and Clinton; eight of these chains were partially or wholly comprised of “Top Secret” material. A further 36 chains had “Secret” and eight had “Confidential” material. It’s unsurprising that State slow-walked this information, finally releasing it only when compelled by a court to do so: it absolutely contradicts Hillary Clinton’s claim that she never mishandled classified material, and it completely subverts director Comey’s rationale for recommending that Hillary Clinton not be indicted. Together with Team Clinton’s destruction of storage devices under subpoena, these details fairly scream “guilty knowledge.”
Nevertheless, Hillary Clinton isn’t in the dock, and not because she didn’t mean to violate the law; she did. Not because what she did doesn’t matter; it does. Not because her violations were minor: they weren’t. Hillary Clinton isn’t standing before a judge today because of who and what she is, and who she knows. And we all understand, somewhere deep down, that her Get Out of Jail Free card is neither right nor just, because it means there’s one set of laws for the Clintons and their pals, and another for the rest of us.

This is a big reason Donald Trump was elected. Americans living west of the Potomac and east of the Sacramento rivers are tired of being called various versions of “deplorable” by those who fancy themselves not public servants, but rulers of a public so irredeemably dull it couldn’t think its way out of a paper bag. They are tired of the condescension, of the transparent falsehoods and, above all, of the impunity. Donald Trump was their response to all that and more, and they’re not done yet.

Not by a long shot.
 
LOL.


Then you're going to LOVE the Mueller report and impending Trump impeachment proceedings.
I simply cannot believe you've convinced yourself that Trump is some compassionate, bleeding heart, public servant who decided to run for POTUS because his country needed him.

Take the 'corruption' of HRC and multiply that by 1000x.

I get wanting to vote for a political outsider. But Trump wasn't that guy.

Believe it or not, you elected someone exponentially WORSE than HRC ever would have been.

Congratulations. Your grateful country thanks you.

When you get a chance, check out the latest NYT op-ed about the Trump WH.lol

Answer the question, do you think HRC should be in prison for using a private email server??
Because Colin Powell did the EXACT SAME THING when he was Secretary of State.

Finally, there's no evidence whatsoever that HRC's email server was hacked by foreign nationals.
Unlike the State Department, which has had their servers hacked multiple times.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9d3aa5969574

https://www.cnn.com/2015/03/10/politics/state-department-hack-worst-ever/index.html

(This is the same Russian government...Putin...that our current AMERICAN POTUS considers a close ally. Putin has Trump's cut balls in a jar of formaldehyde somewhere in the Kremlin.)

At worst HRC would have been censured and forced to resign.

Secretarys of State don't end up in jail unless they're personally involved in espionage, not for the mishandling of classified documents.
 
Did you read what John Berry said and did you read the multiple codes she violated. That's punishable by imprisonment, AB.
 
Bliss said:
Did you read what John Berry said and did you read the multiple codes she violated. That's punishable by imprisonment, AB.
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Code violations are not the same as counts of indictment in a criminal trial. Key word, CRIMINAL.
You really think the GOP gave HRC a 'get out of jail free' card??

If DOJ had a criminal case against HRC, they would have forced her to drop out of the race.
http://time.com/4394178/hillary-clinton-email-fbi-investigation/
http://time.com/4394178/hillary-clinton-email-fbi-investigation/
Carelessness doesn't equate to criminal intent, such as deliberating sharing classified and top secret documents with a foreign power.
It's the same reason Trump WH employees like Jared Kushner will never be prosecuted for using private email, which is also a violation of federal guidelines regarding Freedom of Information Act, The National Archives and Records regulations and Federal Records Act.

And even if DOJ had indicted HRC and tried her federal court, the maximum penalty according to criminal code Section 1924 of Title 18 was a year in jail OR a fine.

You would almost have to prove she was guilty of espionage to actually put HRC in jail for any significant amount of time.
 
andreboba said:
Do you know what laws HRC broke and what the penalties for breaking those laws were??

It's really tiring listening to conservatives say with absolute certainty that HRC did something that should have landed her in prison.

At worst, Obama could have fired her if he thought her actions warranted it.
But there's no way she did something that was prosecutable.
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That would be asking hysterical propagandized right-wing morons to respect the rule of law.
 
andreboba said:
Code violations are not the same as counts of indictment in a criminal trial. Key word, CRIMINAL.
You really think the GOP gave HRC a 'get out of jail free' card??

If DOJ had a criminal case against HRC, they would have forced her to drop out of the race.
http://time.com/4394178/hillary-clinton-email-fbi-investigation/
Carelessness doesn't equate to criminal intent, such as deliberating sharing classified and top secret documents with a foreign power.
It's the same reason Trump WH employees like Jared Kushner will never be prosecuted for using private email, which is also a violation of federal guidelines regarding Freedom of Information Act, The National Archives and Records regulations and Federal Records Act.

And even if DOJ had indicted HRC and tried her federal court, the maximum penalty according to criminal code Section 1924 of Title 18 was a year in jail OR a fine.

You would almost have to prove she was guilty of espionage to actually put HRC in jail for any significant amount of time.
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Year of jail...lol!

It is a felony, punishable by fine and imprisonment up to 20 years, according to 18 U.S. Code 1519, to destroy, conceal, cover up or falsify any record or document whether on paper or on any digital device with the intent to impede or obstruct the investigation of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States.

"....The pattern of deceit through controlling and destroying documents and records in order to facilitate and obfuscate self-dealing and political crime started early in Hillary's career.

While her husband faced impeachment, stiff monetary fines and a near million dollar settlement as well as disbarment for five years, Hillary Clinton skated with no accountability for anything in her incredibly checkered career.

- There were the missing records documenting the statistically impossible profits from cattle futures trading,

- the disappearance of Hillary Clinton's billing records from the Rose Law Firm — under subpoena by Federal and Congressional investigators — where she previously worked on matters related to the Whitewater real estate sham,

- the removal and destruction of a hard drive from the computer of her former Rose Law Firm partner and then-White House Deputy Legal Counsel Vince Foster, whose death by gunshot wound was ruled a suicide in the midst of the Whitewater investigation.

- And then there were the missing documents from the White House Travelgate scandal — documents that would surface two years later — showing Hillary's duplicity and contradiction of prior statements.

As egregious, scandalous and unlawful as much of this was, it was small time and just a warm-up to what was to come after Hillary became Secretary of State, at which time she insisted on using a private computer server and email address — about which she was warned would be vulnerable to hacking and security breaches — for the purpose of avoiding public scrutiny and accountability while indirectly helping the Clinton Foundation raise enormous sums from governments and parties with whom she was also interfacing as secretary of state.

It is now clear that this was all done to evade Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests and federal government record-keeping laws and obfuscate conflicts of interest while serving as secretary of state.

But it all began to unravel after Hillary left office and was required to testify before a House committee on Benghazi in October 2015 and answer questions about the terrorist attacks on the U.S. Consulate on September 11, 2012.

It was those hearings that brought to light the existence of Hillary Clinton's secret, unsecured, do-it-yourself server.

And then it was learned that she not only stored classified and top secret information in an unsecured location, but that she had also authorized the destruction of subpoenaed evidence — some 33,000 emails — after she was put on notice of the existence of the subpoena.

These violations are felonies with stiff penalties and there were at least six other laws that appear violated for which Hillary could be indicted.

What is now waking up Americans about the seriousness of Clinton family self-dealing and the need for prosecution is the realization that the Clintons were at the center of what appears to be the biggest political corruption scandal in U.S. history.

- The fact that the Clinton Foundation's single largest aggregate donation of some $145 million came from various parties linked to the Uranium One sale to the Russian government nuclear agency Rosatom makes this the mega-case of Russian influence and corruption.

Before the Declaration and the U.S. Constitution were even written, Samuel Adams observed that, "neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt."

Political corruption in America has now become like cancer destroying people's trust in government and their respect for the rule of law..."

Mannafort has nothing on Hillary. Mueller needs to hop to it, pronto.
 
The source (which she does not cite) of Bliss's information above is IBD...

These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/investors-business-daily/
 
Loki said:
The source (which she does not cite) of Bliss's information above is IBD...

These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/investors-business-daily/
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Ah there he is, my resident stalker.

So..this mediabiasfactcheck site you entrust in your attempts to refute my Investers Business Daily post content...tell me Loki, does it refute the content?
Can YOU refute the content?

Furthermore, can you refute the claim that your source of dispute - mediabiasfactcheck - is itself cited as unreliable and inept...using flagrant and simplistic natures of bogus critiques'?

So let's cut to the chase. Prove my post of Hillary's nefarious acts, wrong.
Then we will see if IBD, or your mediabiasfactcheck website, is correct Take your time.
 
Bliss said:
Ah there he is, my resident stalker.

So..this mediabiasfactcheck site you entrust in your attempts to refute my Investers Business Daily post content...tell me Loki, does it refute the content?
Can YOU refute the content?

Furthermore, can you refute the claim that your source of dispute - mediabiasfactcheck - is itself cited as unreliable and inept...using flagrant and simplistic natures of bogus critiques'?

So let's cut to the chase. Prove my post of Hillary's nefarious acts, wrong.
Then we will see if IBD, or your mediabiasfactcheck website, is correct Take your time.
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Stalker no, fact-checker yes. I posted the mediabaias Factcheck site to show that you cannot take one side's view of things as the "only" truth, you posted an OPINION piece. All sources below are rated either "Left Center" or "Least Biased" Lets take these one by one, you claim...

- There were the missing records documenting the statistically impossible profits from cattle futures trading,

Per below she was investigated by the Merchantile exchange with NO findings of wrong doing
"After the Clinton trading matter became public, Leo Melamed, a former chairman of the Mercantile Exchange, was brought in by request of the White House to review the trading records. On April 11, 1994, he said that the whole matter was "a tempest in a teapot" and that while her brokers had not required her to provide typical margin cushions, she had not knowingly benefited." https://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/12/...fit-commodities-account-white-house-says.html

- the disappearance of Hillary Clinton's billing records from the Rose Law Firm — under subpoena by Federal and Congressional investigators — where she previously worked on matters related to the Whitewater real estate sham,
"As it relates to Whitewater, a December 1995 report by the independent law firm Pillsbury, Madison & Sutro report found no evidence of the Clintons’ and particularly Hillary Clinton’s participation in fraud. Pillsbury’s task was to assess whether federal regulators could justify a lawsuit legally and cost-effectively. The report found that they couldn't, but the report and its authors didn’t and still don’t view their findings as exoneration." https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...linton-says-hillary-was-completely-exonerate/

- the disappearance of Hillary Clinton's billing records from the Rose Law Firm — under subpoena by Federal and Congressional investigators — where she previously worked on matters related to the Whitewater real estate sham,

MULTIPLE investigations have debunked any conspiracy or wrongdoing by the Clintons regarding WHitewater.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...vince-fosters-suicide/?utm_term=.d7aa023185ba

- And then there were the missing documents from the White House Travelgate scandal — documents that would surface two years later — showing Hillary's duplicity and contradiction of prior statements.
"Independent Counsel Concluded Decision To Fire Employees Was Lawful. In a June 2000 report on the firings of White House Travel Office employees, Robert Ray, a Republican-appointed independent counsel assigned to investigate the Clintons, wrote that the decision to fire the employees was "lawful" and that "the evidence is insufficient to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt" that either former White House director of administration David Watkins or Hillary Clinton "committed perjury or obstruction of justice during the course of their testimony before GAO, the Congress, and this investigation."

All the talk about her emails amounted to nothing after MULTIPLE investigations including Benghazi
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/08/clintons-emails-weiners-laptop-and-a-falsehood/

Uranium One a scandal, from Factcheck.org
"It may be that individuals and companies sought to curry favor with Hillary Clinton and even influence her department’s decision on the Uranium One sale. But, as we’ve written before, there is no evidence that donations to the Clinton Foundation from people with ties to Uranium One or Bill Clinton’s speaking fee influenced Hillary Clinton’s official actions. That’s still the case. We will update this article with any major developments."

So there you have it Bliss, multiple investigations from 3rd parties with no findings of wrongdoings from the Clintons. Now as I stated above some of the links are somewhat left biased, which is why I keep imploring you to investigate BOTH sides before forming your views on a topic, there is spin and agendas on both sides.
 
You'd think a near-death experience would make you step back and reassess. But nope, Bliss is right back here trolling. There's a subset of women (usually black) who get their rocks off arguing with intelligent men. They knowingly take the shit side of any issue just to keep the conflict alive. I guess the good news is that the forum or at least the political threads would be dead without her. SMDH
 
Trump makes a ridiculous assertion, so members of the U.N. literally laugh at him.


He's like that kid in elementary school who bullies other kids and brags about how awesome he is, and then is shocked when nobody shows up at his birthday party.
 
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