Sexual Harassment/Assault Scandals

[Madeleine]

Conservative women are much worse from what I've been seeing.

Liberal Actresses are calling for something called a 'intimacy coordinator" on set to "protect" them and make them feel safe doing sex scenes. One of the actresses from the tv show the deuce was talking about wearing extra layers of padding and certain movements to how to touch a woman's breast without actually touching their breast and Im like you're on a fucking TV show about porn!!! lol. Don't do a sex scene if 1) You're not good enough to stay in character and 2) If touching another person's naked body scares you to the point that you think your safety is at risk. Because let's say if his naked body accidentally touches you. Are you going to freak out, do you see that as some kind of injury since naked body parts touching you is seen as a danger. Don't do the sex scene or take a role like that if you're uncomfortable with them. It works out just FINE for other actresses. You don't have to take the role if it bothers you THAT much.


This is one of the reasons why I don't care for politics because look at the hysteria it is causing. My suggestion is find you a girl, a place where they don't indulge in politics that much or let celebrities dictate their life. Because fear is what is making both these men and women act goofy.

I suggest whoever isn’t comfortable doing sex scenes should not do them. Intimacy coordinator is the modern name for chaperone I guess.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

Conservative women are much worse from what I've been seeing.

Liberal Actresses are calling for something called a 'intimacy coordinator" on set to "protect" them and make them feel safe doing sex scenes. One of the actresses from the tv show the deuce was talking about wearing extra layers of padding and certain movements to how to touch a woman's breast without actually touching their breast and Im like you're on a fucking TV show about porn!!! lol. Don't do a sex scene if 1) You're not good enough to stay in character and 2) If touching another person's naked body scares you to the point that you think your safety is at risk. Because let's say if his naked body accidentally touches you. Are you going to freak out, do you see that as some kind of injury since naked body parts touching you is seen as a danger. Don't do the sex scene or take a role like that if you're uncomfortable with them. It works out just FINE for other actresses. You don't have to take the role if it bothers you THAT much.


This is one of the reasons why I don't care for politics because look at the hysteria it is causing. My suggestion is find you a girl, a place where they don't indulge in politics that much or let celebrities dictate their life. Because fear is what is making both these men and women act goofy.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

smh on most of this stuff

Just a thought....women hating men has nothing to do with sex. It has to do with others not fulfilling their unrealistic expectations (even though they often have no clue what it is that they are wanting let alone communicate that to those they are expecting it from)

And I'll revisit things I've said about the females who go on about males treating females like shit - one thing I've noticed is those guys did so because of the bs that females did to them to begin with. Then the chiccas still keep going to the guys that treat them like shit thinking they are going to fix or save the fools.

I think most of us could come up with all sorts of experiences that could cause us to hate or love the opposite sex. I'm going to go with not putting shit on a new man from past experiences. It's pointless to look for those without baggage, it's more about finding someone you can either tolerate their baggage (and they yours) or help each other unpack it.

You either have what you want, or all the reasons why not.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

What does bother me is that in all fields that have disproportionately more women than men the salary is miserable. For instance nursing, social work, nursery teacher...basically everything in the social sector. It’s a form of gender inequality. Apparently women are supposed to work out of goodwill or something like that.
(That’s in Germany, of course. I think in the US nursing is well paid.)

Are women forced into taking those kinds of jobs in Germany?

 

[Madeleine]

Are women forced into taking those kinds of jobs in Germany?

Obviously nobody is forced into those jobs. However, they are very important for any society to function properly. From time it’s always been more women working in those fields and I think it’s a historic relict that one is so underpaid and undervalued in such professions. From a time when women were working only until they got married. So men would get paid to support a family and women would get paid some chicken change to entertain herself only. And of course „women’s jobs“ were automatically less valuable than men’s.
We are already having a lack of nurses and lack of kindergarten teachers etc so sooner or later government has to do something about that shitty pay. Concerns midwives a well. It’s in everyone’s interest that people in those professions must be kept happy, and those people happen to be mostly women.
And besides, why is it that after three years training in electronics you earn well and after three years nursing training you earn really badly. Machines aren’t more valuable than human beings.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

Obviously nobody is forced into those jobs. However, they are very important for any society to function properly. From time it’s always been more women working in those fields and I think it’s a historic relict that one is so underpaid and undervalued in such professions. From a time when women were working only until they got married. So men would get paid to support a family and women would get paid some chicken change to entertain herself only. And of course „women’s jobs“ were automatically less valuable than men’s.
We are already having a lack of nurses and lack of kindergarten teachers etc so sooner or later government has to do something about that shitty pay. Concerns midwives a well. It’s in everyone’s interest that people in those professions must be kept happy, and those people happen to be mostly women.
And besides, why is it that after three years training in electronics you earn well and after three years nursing training you earn really badly. Machines aren’t more valuable than human beings.

Dangerous jobs pay more. That’s just the truth of it. Men are judged on the money they make, women are judged on their looks. It sucks, it’s sexist both ways, but that is the world. If more women start to work in the dangerous jobs and become electricians and sanitation, among others, they will get paid more.

What you are asking for isn’t equal pay, but equal outcome. You want social workers to get paid the same as electricians. The reality is that government jobs and social work pay vary little in comparison to trades because they aren’t necessarily as dangerous. The one part I can agree with you on is nursing. They do get better pay in this country than in yours. But, unless men in nursing and social work get paid much more than women, it isn’t a sexism issue, it is a job market issue.

 

[Madeleine]

Dangerous jobs pay more. That’s just the truth of it. Men are judged on the money they make, women are judged on their looks. It sucks, it’s sexist both ways, but that is the world. If more women start to work in the dangerous jobs and become electricians and sanitation, among others, they will get paid more.

What you are asking for isn’t equal pay, but equal outcome. You want social workers to get paid the same as electricians. The reality is that government jobs and social work pay vary little in comparison to trades because they aren’t necessarily as dangerous. The one part I can agree with you on is nursing. They do get better pay in this country than in yours. But, unless men in nursing and social work get paid much more than women, it isn’t a sexism issue, it is a job market issue.

It’s a job market issue with a sexist history. And it has to change else the electricians with the so called dangerous jobs won’t have anywhere to put their kids to go to work.

 

[The Dark King]

It’s a job market issue with a sexist history. And it has to change else the electricians with the so called dangerous jobs won’t have anywhere to put their kids to go to work.

Then they should unionize and go on strike and demand more. Simple fix

 

[Madeleine]

Then they should unionize and go on strike and demand more. Simple fix

They are doing that. Come on it’s Germany, Social Democracy which Trump calls Communism. We are good at unions and strikes. But when it comes to money there are no quick fixes, only slow processes.

 

[Beasty]

Obviously nobody is forced into those jobs. However, they are very important for any society to function properly. From time it’s always been more women working in those fields and I think it’s a historic relict that one is so underpaid and undervalued in such professions. From a time when women were working only until they got married. So men would get paid to support a family and women would get paid some chicken change to entertain herself only. And of course „women’s jobs“ were automatically less valuable than men’s.
We are already having a lack of nurses and lack of kindergarten teachers etc so sooner or later government has to do something about that shitty pay. Concerns midwives a well. It’s in everyone’s interest that people in those professions must be kept happy, and those people happen to be mostly women.
And besides, why is it that after three years training in electronics you earn well and after three years nursing training you earn really badly. Machines aren’t more valuable than human beings.

I get what you're saying but when it comes to making money. Electronics are important as people. They are needed to make the money. Not saying it's right at all, but that's from a corporate perspective. On that level machines and people are simply investments.

They get to own machines easily just like they want to own people, yet machines give no push back.

Most people don't realize how much modern economies rely on electronics. Most companies are willing to pay good money for the technicians because every minute of downtime money is being lost.

I don't think a lot of women want to be responsible for electronics. It's not easy work and it certainly can be dangerous.

I've even had guys tell me. "I wouldn't like working around something invisible that could kill me."

 

[Madeleine]

I get what you're saying but when it comes to making money. Electronics are important as people. They are needed to make the money. Not saying it's right at all, but that's from a corporate perspective. On that level machines and people are simply investments.

They get to own machines easily just like they want to own people, yet machines give no push back.

Most people don't realize how much modern economies rely on electronics. Most companies are willing to pay good money for the technicians because every minute of downtime money is being lost.

I don't think a lot of women want to be responsible for electronics. It's not easy work and it certainly can be dangerous.

I've even had guys tell me. "I wouldn't like working around something invisible that could kill me."

As a midwife making the wrong decision can cause mother and baby serious harm or cost them their lives. As an intensive care nurse making the wrong move can kill the patient. Even people looking after children should be paid appropriately because i want happy, motivated people looking after my kids. Looking after a bunch of toddlers especially when the facility is understaffed is also more difficult than the average office job. Am not saying men working with electronics should earn less, rather I think people in certain professions should earn more than before.

 

[Beasty]

As a midwife making the wrong decision can cause mother and baby serious harm or cost them their lives. As an intensive care nurse making the wrong move can kill the patient. Even people looking after children should be paid appropriately because i want happy, motivated people looking after my kids. Looking after a bunch of toddlers especially when the facility is understaffed is also more difficult than the average office job. Am not saying men working with electronics should earn less, rather I think people in certain professions should earn more than before.

You can't look at it like. "If I make the wrong move." Lol

In a job you are the specialist the expert, you better not mess up anything. That's the impression I get from any high trained profession.

I agree Nurses and teachers should make more, but I hope women simply choose the jobs that will pay to their satisfaction until the salaries of nurses and teachers go up. They would have to eventually.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

It’s a job market issue with a sexist history. And it has to change else the electricians with the so called dangerous jobs won’t have anywhere to put their kids to go to work.

I'm a little confused on the "sexist history" part. But, I agree, it is a job market issue as I stated previously.

Are you referring to Nannies or Teachers when you said "And it has to change else the electricians with the so called dangerous jobs won’t have anywhere to put their kids to go to work."? Because this assumes that a majority of tradesman/women want to have children or already have children. It also assumes that Some massive overhaul where no person will want to be a teacher or nanny will happen.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

You can't look at it like. "If I make the wrong move." Lol

In a job you are the specialist the expert, you better not mess up anything. That's the impression I get from any high trained profession.

I agree Nurses and teachers should make more, but I hope women simply choose the jobs that will pay to their satisfaction until the salaries of nurses and teachers go up. They would have to eventually.

I agree. We are accountable for the careers we choose.

 

[Madeleine]

I'm a little confused on the "sexist history" part. But, I agree, it is a job market issue as I stated previously.

If you look at who as doing which jobs in the 60s and before that and how those jobs were being paid you understand what I mean.

 

[Madeleine]

You can't look at it like. "If I make the wrong move." Lol

In a job you are the specialist the expert, you better not mess up anything. That's the impression I get from any high trained profession.

I agree Nurses and teachers should make more, but I hope women simply choose the jobs that will pay to their satisfaction until the salaries of nurses and teachers go up. They would have to eventually.

Easier said than done when you have a genuine interest in one of those badly paid careers but force yourself into another one just for the money. People aren’t as happy and effective as workers when they aren’t in it with their heart.
However, teachers are paid well. It’s the early childhood sector and the other ones I mentioned.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

If you look at who as doing which jobs in the 60s and before that and how those jobs were being paid you understand what I mean.

So, your saying these women were forced into these jobs in the 60s? Or are you saying that these were the only jobs available for women and women were not allowed into any other job due to institutionalized and lawful barriers at the time?

 

[Beasty]

Easier said than done when you have a genuine interest in one of those badly paid careers but force yourself into another one just for the money. People aren’t as happy and effective as workers when they aren’t in it with their heart.
However, teachers are paid well. It’s the early childhood sector and the other ones I mentioned.

I agree but it's a choice.

The majority of people aren't thrilled with the jobs they have. Remember Job from the Bible? You think that was a coincidence? The English language is funny.

If you are making a weighted decision based on what you like and what pays, you're with the majority. That's pretty much what most people do.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

I agree but it's a choice.

The majority of people aren't thrilled with the jobs they have. Remember Job from the Bible? You think that was a coincidence? The English language is funny.

If you are making a weighted decision based on what you like and what pays, you're with the majority. That's pretty much what most people do.

If a systemic, lawful, and institutionalized form of barriers kept women in these jobs in the 60s, that would explain why they had to choose those jobs back then. Factoring in the berlin wall didn't start getting dismantled until 89, and factoring the time it took to re-develop, I can understand that would take some time. But, if you are working since maybe 2000 and on, and simply choose low paying jobs, that is on you. I agree with you.

A similar thing happens in the U.S. and other developed countries. Women often choose job security over danger or high-risk careers. It's the long game based in pensions down the road and ample vacation time. Which I get, but if you choose it, you don't get to turn it into a gendered issue when there are other options available.

 

[K]

But, unless men in nursing and social work get paid much more than women, it isn’t a sexism issue, it is a job market issue.

And they aren't here. Actually, I know of quite a few men in social services (now called human services) and nursing who are getting less.

One of my pet peeves is that men will get hired in nursing and are expected to do all the heavy lifting (literally) and aren't getting any extra pay for that. To me, they are being asked, even required to do more/harder work and are not getting compensated for that.