Sexual Harassment/Assault Scandals

qaz1 said:
If that's the movement's bread and butter, then the movement is tragically flawed. But whether the "victims" are flawless or not is immaterial. The predators in power were always wrong to abuse their power.

Look at your carjacking example. Even if you were in the neighborhood for a shady reason, carjacking is still wrong and shouldn't be tolerated by society.
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Yeah, its all messed up. However, I think the Metoo movement getting its foundation rocked would be good for it in the long run. When social movements aren't 100% honest with themselves, they have a tendency to fall apart.
 
qaz1 said:
You just said it yourself. Giving someone drugs without their notice and consent is drugging them. It doesn't have to be roofies to be wrong and illegal. The point is that it impaired the ability to consent.
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Who was given the drug without their knowledge? Any supporting links? Evidence?

And when was the last time Cosby gave quaaludes to anyone? If the intent was rape, when quaaludes we're no longer available, why didn't he simply start using another drug to give his "victims"
 
Thump said:
Yeah, its all messed up. However, I think the Metoo movement getting its foundation rocked would be good for it in the long run. When social movements aren't 100% honest with themselves, they have a tendency to fall apart.
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Agreed. If it's that flawed, it needs a purge.
 
Beasty said:
Who was given the drug without their knowledge? Any supporting links? Evidence?

And when was the last time Cosby gave quaaludes to anyone? If the intent was rape, when quaaludes we're no longer available, why didn't he simply start using another drug to give his "victims"
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I'm not trying to litigate the case. My only point is that giving people drugs in hopes that it'll change a *no* or even a *maybe* into a *yes* is wrong.

And if the women you're having sex with have a pattern of waking up after and not remembering what happened, you've got some changes to make.
 
qaz1 said:
I'm not trying to litigate the case. My only point is that giving people drugs in hopes that it'll change a *no* or even a *maybe* into a *yes* is wrong.

And if the women you're having sex with have a pattern of waking up after and not remembering what happened, you've got some changes to make.
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You think Cosby used drugs in hopes that women would change their minds and decide to have sex with him.

lmfao!

Funniest read of the month so far.
 
Beasty said:
No you're right.

Women that use drugs don't want to be high during sex for some strange reason. Go figure..... lol
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I don't believe all of his accusers were habitual drug users. Even if they were, they have a right to consent to sexual activity.

Also, the sheer number of accusers with similar stories shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. You think that many women wanted to be blacked out during sex?

But to be clear, I haven't looked at all this in-depth. For all I know, he could be completely innocent. I'm only responding to points made in this thread. I admit I've missed large chunks of the conversation here, but none of the arguments defending Cosby that I've read here would help him in court. At all. Which might explain why he's in jail now.
 
Cosby got convicted on a re-trial. There were so many holes on the defense side and the jury had shady jurors with I believe one of them speaking about convicting Cosby no matter what that has been discussed over and over. They were determined.
 
darkcurry said:
Cosby got convicted on a re-trial. There were so many holes on the defense side and the jury had shady jurors with I believe one of them speaking about convicting Cosby no matter what that has been discussed over and over. They were determined.
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Yeah, I could actually believe that. Like I said, he may be innocent. I just haven't read cogent arguments here. That doesn't mean they don't exist.
 
qaz1 said:
I don't believe all of his accusers were habitual drug users. Even if they were, they have a right to consent to sexual activity.

Also, the sheer number of accusers with similar stories shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. You think that many women wanted to be blacked out during sex?

But to be clear, I haven't looked at all this in-depth. For all I know, he could be completely innocent. I'm only responding to points made in this thread. I admit I've missed large chunks of the conversation here, but none of the arguments defending Cosby that I've read here would help him in court. At all. Which might explain why he's in jail now.
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If you simply replace quaaludes with pot ( it was second only to pot in popularity ) you perhaps would see things differently.

It was made to help people sleep but it got banned because it was even better for getting people high. If it was knocking people out so well like it was supposed to do in the first place then why on Earth did it get banned??
 
Beasty said:
If you simply replace quaaludes with pot ( it was second only to pot in popularity ) you perhaps would see things differently.

It was made to help people sleep but it got banned because it was even better for getting people high. If it was knocking people out so well like it was supposed to do in the first place then why on Earth did it get banned??
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You got me here. The only thing I know about quaaludes is what I learned from watching Wolf of Wall Street lol
 
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qaz1 said:
It wasn't me! Lol
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No, it’s ok. It was in the nerds lounge. Some didn’t want to have discussions on black male representation in nerd culture and nerd focused films. Although it pertains to the subject, some just want to post about nerd stuff and leave out any mention of race, gender, and interracial representation.

It is what it is.
 
meowkittenmeow said:
No, it’s ok. It was in the nerds lounge. Some didn’t want to have discussions on black male representation in nerd culture and nerd focused films. Although it pertains to the subject, some just want to post about nerd stuff and leave out any mention of race, gender, and interracial representation.

It is what it is.
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I understand not wanting things not getting derailed because some people do go on and on. lol. But this is interracial site for black men and white women it should be okay to mention and discuss about interracial representation in all forums. Just as long as things don't get derailed.
 
darkcurry said:
I understand not wanting things not getting derailed because some people do go on and on. lol. But this is interracial site for black men and white women it should be okay to mention and discuss about interracial representation in all forums. Just as long as things don't get derailed.
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LOL yah sure....we derail shit on here allllllllll the time!! That's often when the best discussions get going.
 
qaz1 said:
Why would that cause the movement to implode? Even if some actresses traded sex for work (which some surely have), that doesn't mean tons of men haven't abused their power.

No one is claiming that some people won't do *anything* to get ahead. The point is that those with power should only ever used it fairly and responsibly.
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That’s exactly the point. Some people question the story of every single actress coming out with her story, but the real point is, why should there even be a a system putting a woman in the position of having to decide between “agreeing “ to sex for a job or burying her career? That’s what needs to be shaken up.
 
Madeleine said:
That’s exactly the point. Some people question the story of every single actress coming out with her story, but the real point is, why should there even be a a system putting a woman in the position of having to decide between “agreeing “ to sex for a job or burying her career? That’s what needs to be shaken up.
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Amen.
 
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