white women in R&B ......No success .

Most of today's Pop really is just R&B with white faces. As a matter of fact, when they're looking for songs for the current crop of Pop artists, they'll specifically request R&B songs that could work for "insert Pop star name."

A lot of what I've heard over the last two years has not just been R&B disguised as pop, but 80's style Funk/R&B passing for modern Pop.

Increasingly, what makes a song labeled Pop or R&B is the color of the artists' skin. Justin Timberlake's stuff is mostly R&B. Especially, "Future Sex/Love Sounds" and the double album "The 20/20 Experience." Both of those were essentially black music. The chord structures, the rhythms, the melodies, the harmonies, vocal runs - R&B productions through and through. The only thing missing was Usher.

Also, peep his band, "The Tennessee Kids." Bad af and funky as hell. Watch that concert he did on Netflix. That's R&B. But, he's white so it's considered Pop.

I used to like him, but after that bullshit with him not supporting Kap, I'm good on JT.
 
samson1701 said:
Most of today's Pop really is just R&B with white faces. As a matter of fact, when they're looking for songs for the current crop of Pop artists, they'll specifically request R&B songs that could work for "insert Pop star name."

A lot of what I've heard over the last two years has not just been R&B disguised as pop, but 80's style Funk/R&B passing for modern Pop.

Increasingly, what makes a song labeled Pop or R&B is the color of the artists' skin. Justin Timberlake's stuff is mostly R&B. Especially, "Future Sex/Love Sounds" and the double album "The 20/20 Experience." Both of those were essentially black music. The chord structures, the rhythms, the melodies, the harmonies, vocal runs - R&B productions through and through. The only thing missing was Usher.

Also, peep his band, "The Tennessee Kids." Bad af and funky as hell. Watch that concert he did on Netflix. That's R&B. But, he's white so it's considered Pop.

I used to like him, but after that bullshit with him not supporting Kap, I'm good on JT.
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I saw someone come up with a good term/music genre name to describe Justin Timberlake or Ariana Grande's music, "Urban Pop Music".
 
RicardoCooper said:
ESSENCE: The media often tells Black women that they’re better off dating White guys. What’s your response to that?

THICKE: I think that’s ridiculous. There are so many good Black men out there that are hardworking, decent, and handsome, you know? To start that rumor is as bad as starting any other negative rumor. There are great Black men out there. There are only a few good White men — trust me. (Laughs) Good luck finding a good White man who understands your journey. I only have three White friends. I’ve got 20 Black male friends, who are all good men who take good care of their wives, and good care of their children. I know amazing Black men. Maybe the women have to take better care of their men. Maybe you’re being too stubborn. Maybe you’re not saying you’re sorry. You have to take good care of him, too. You have to give love to get love.

Homeboy's sales started dwindling after that lol j/k

https://www.essence.com/news/robin-...-women-interracial-dating-and-pleasing-paula/
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Damn. Shout out to Robin Thicke for telling the damn truth
 
Unlike in the 1960s/'70s and '80s, there's so much crossover between pop music and R&B that they're basically the same genre.

There's pop music nowadays that would never be played on a White pop music station in the 1980s, because it sounds too R&B.

R&B, like rap, took over popular music years ago.
 
I didn't know whether to post this in this thread or the fake outrage thread. They mad about Ariana Grande's new single & music video "7 Rings" that dropped this week:



Ariana Grande’s new single, “7 rings,” may be centered around a rework of “My Favorite Things,” from the 1959 musical (and 1965 film) 'The Sound of Music,' but it’s also earned comparisons to several other songs. The track draws obvious inspiration from hip-hop, and New York rapper Princess Nokia accused Grande of lifting from her 2017 song “Mine” in an Instagram video.

Read more on Genius: https://genius.com/a/ariana-grande-s-...

Read all the lyrics to "7 rings" on Genius: https://genius.com/Ariana-grande-7-ri...

Watch the official music video for "7 rings": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYh6m...
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Ariana Grande’s Seven Rings isn’t exactly getting the booming round of applause we expected…Fans are saying the song is basically a rip off of Soulja Boy’s Pretty Boy Swag And Princess Nokia called out Ari for ripping off one of HER songs in an a twitter video…YIKES…I’ve got all the dirty details coming up for you right now. #arianagrande
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Bliss said:
JoJo
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teddebear07 said:
good one .....she def has a soulful voice .....but it kinda proves my point . she doesn't get the attention of a Britany spears,celine dion etc
i think if she started making pop music, she would get more attention.....but i understand why she wouldn't ....i'm guessing she loves soul music and is happy were
she is. and she makes good enough money.
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So JoJo won "Best R&B Song" at this past Sunday's Grammys for this duet with P.J. Morten called "Say So": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/62nd_Annual_Grammy_Awards






Looks like they performed it at Essence Festival & on the Today Show in the last few months or so:




Good for JoJo, but it's straight laughable that this no-name song won over "No Guidance".
 
ColiBreh1 said:
I didn't know whether to post this in this thread or the fake outrage thread. They mad about Ariana Grande's new single & music video "7 Rings" that dropped this week:







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It’s a ripoff and isn’t fake outrage. But, either way, popstars don’t write or arrange their own music. So, I’m guessing it’s the writers and producers.
 
meowkittenmeow said:
Marsha Ambrosius Reminded Everyone She Sang the Ad-Libs in 'Cry Me a River,' Not Justin Timberlake


https://www.theroot.com/marsha-ambrosius-reminded-everyone-she-sang-the-ad-libs-1842661110

Pretty wild how that was the song that made his solo career relevant. He didn’t even sing the ad libs that everyone sings to when they don’t know the words. Lol, wild.
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She sang the "Cry me, Cry meee" part at the end. While it was a plus to the song, it didn't "make" the song. I wonder if she actually came up with the part or not. That's who deserves most of the credit for that part. Its an easy part to sing. Anyone could have sang it. Hell, I could have sang that part (back then) and I am in no realm a singer.

Not a JT fan anymore, but I'm not going to act like he isn't talented enough to have done that part. I'm guessing he wasn't in the studio when Timbaland and Danja (or whoever) was finishing the track and they came up with it at the last minute. She was around so they she got tore off to do the part. Or, she was on the original and whoever mixed it left her in (a good call). I don't think it takes anything away from JT.
 
samson1701 said:
She sang the "Cry me, Cry meee" part at the end. While it was a plus to the song, it didn't "make" the song. I wonder if she actually came up with the part or not. That's who deserves most of the credit for that part. Its an easy part to sing. Anyone could have sang it. Hell, I could have sang that part (back then) and I am in no realm a singer.

Not a JT fan anymore, but I'm not going to act like he isn't talented enough to have done that part. I'm guessing he wasn't in the studio when Timbaland and Danja (or whoever) was finishing the track and they came up with it at the last minute. She was around so they she got tore off to do the part. Or, she was on the original and whoever mixed it left her in (a good call). I don't think it takes anything away from JT.
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Apparently she did that adlib and others. He has a talented falsetto, but he seems to have some difficulty with faster riffs and runs. He seems to be just fine on the slower ones.
 
samson1701 said:
Most of today's Pop really is just R&B with white faces. As a matter of fact, when they're looking for songs for the current crop of Pop artists, they'll specifically request R&B songs that could work for "insert Pop star name."

A lot of what I've heard over the last two years has not just been R&B disguised as pop, but 80's style Funk/R&B passing for modern Pop.

Increasingly, what makes a song labeled Pop or R&B is the color of the artists' skin. Justin Timberlake's stuff is mostly R&B. Especially, "Future Sex/Love Sounds" and the double album "The 20/20 Experience." Both of those were essentially black music. The chord structures, the rhythms, the melodies, the harmonies, vocal runs - R&B productions through and through. The only thing missing was Usher.

Also, peep his band, "The Tennessee Kids." Bad af and funky as hell. Watch that concert he did on Netflix. That's R&B. But, he's white so it's considered Pop.

I used to like him, but after that bullshit with him not supporting Kap, I'm good on JT.
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I saw someone come up with a good term/music genre name to describe Justin Timberlake or Ariana Grande's music, "Urban Pop Music".
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I been watching music videos of 2000's Pop hits for the last month or so and you can throw white pop artists like Gwen Stefani, Christina Aguilera, Fergie, The Pussycat Dolls, & etc. into the "Urban Pop Music" category. I completely slept on how much of a thing this was in the mid-late 2000's. I must've tuned out of pop music at that point.
 
I mean classification is more just a matter of Billboard Racism these days.
Pop and R&B and Rap have really just bleed into each other so much these days there is no real difference.
 
meowkittenmeow said:
Marsha Ambrosius Reminded Everyone She Sang the Ad-Libs in 'Cry Me a River,' Not Justin Timberlake


https://www.theroot.com/marsha-ambrosius-reminded-everyone-she-sang-the-ad-libs-1842661110

Pretty wild how that was the song that made his solo career relevant. He didn’t even sing the ad libs that everyone sings to when they don’t know the words. Lol, wild.
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They were public about this aspect of the song when it first hit in fall 2002. I was going thru a crisis myself back then so I recall vividly lol . . . they didn't credit MA specfically but offered the info that it was a female and not JT
 
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