BM/WW IR sightings on TV

darkcurry said:
Cheo Hodari Coker is on the WGAw Committee of Black Writers and LGBT Writers Committee
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And has said Luke Cage was a "Love Letter To Black Women"
https://www.fastcompany.com/3064174...hodari-coker-the-gender-dynamics-of-luke-cage


I don't know how much you can take away from that because I don't think he would've had much control if they would have never got cancelled or picked up somewhere else.
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Oh My God, I wish I had known about that "Love Letter To Black Women" nonsense when it first appeared. I would have not wasted watching the two seasons of that show. And for those who don't know I've been critical of that show before I learned of this information. His love letter to black women was a world in which white women didn't exist and a show in which the leading character got to take a backseat too often to black women. I recall someone praising the show for a scene in season one in the police department in which all of the three people participating in an exchange were black women. I was like who gives a fuck? Is the story any good, is that scene any good? That is what was crucial to me. But then again this was the show that worried me when it kept promoting ahead of time how it had an all-black writing staff and how BLACK its music was. You know its one thing for viewers to determine a show they'll follow thanks to identity politics; its quite another for showrunners and producers to sell its show by leaning so heavily on identity politics. Watch our series. Its REALLY black. Blacker than black. Naw. That's the type of shit you may crow about (MAY) after it airs and is a huge hit both critically and in viewership. You don't talk that up before it airs because it in no way promises that the quality is going to be good; it merely suggests that there may be some phony authenticity that the Woke Community craves.

Fuck Coker. I had a semi-nasty exchange with him awhile back in which I chastised the quality of the show. I'm even more especially proud I did that now that I'm aware how accurate my assessment of him was. He put The Matriarchy ahead of the story. Fuck this guy. The show didn't deserve its third season and he's the reason.
 
The Dark King said:
So much wrong with this article. One thing that stood out was sexualizing a middle aged woman came off so damn forced. No one bought that bs all it garnered was a whole bunch of people shaking their heads and saying Wtf.
Also the tone deaf and frankly disrespectful ploy to constantly use black men as stepping stones to black female self esteem has got to be called out and stopped. Luke Cage should have been something for black boys its well deserved even more so since we supported these characters far more than black women. Write a story about an all black female cast hell an all woman cast and keep men out of it. In curious to see how well they can do without us to use or hate
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To some extent I feel the same way when people talk up how much Black Panther meant for black girls than they do for its meaning it was supposed to have for black boys. But despite some flaws didn't sink nearly as far as Luke Cage.
 
darkcurry said:
TheGoodPlace to end with season 4



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https://twitter.com/nbcthegoodplace/status/1137180211798142976

I thought it would be with season 5. But nonetheless I love it when shows are able to end their own story instead of someone who's not writing it end it for them.
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This isn't surprising. They've been hinting at this since season 2. They have a story: beginning, middle and - sadly, the end. But the most relevant part of the show to this thread is the central function of the romance between Eleanor and Chidi. When Mike Schur was asked, what he's looking forward to in S4, the romance between his leads was paramount.
 
JamalSpunky said:
Oh My God, I wish I had known about that "Love Letter To Black Women" nonsense when it first appeared. I would have not wasted watching the two seasons of that show. And for those who don't know I've been critical of that show before I learned of this information. His love letter to black women was a world in which white women didn't exist and a show in which the leading character got to take a backseat too often to black women. I recall someone praising the show for a scene in season one in the police department in which all of the three people participating in an exchange were black women. I was like who gives a fuck? Is the story any good, is that scene any good? That is what was crucial to me. But then again this was the show that worried me when it kept promoting ahead of time how it had an all-black writing staff and how BLACK its music was. You know its one thing for viewers to determine a show they'll follow thanks to identity politics; its quite another for showrunners and producers to sell its show by leaning so heavily on identity politics. Watch our series. Its REALLY black. Blacker than black. Naw. That's the type of shit you may crow about (MAY) after it airs and is a huge hit both critically and in viewership. You don't talk that up before it airs because it in no way promises that the quality is going to be good; it merely suggests that there may be some phony authenticity that the Woke Community craves.

Fuck Coker. I had a semi-nasty exchange with him awhile back in which I chastised the quality of the show. I'm even more especially proud I did that now that I'm aware how accurate my assessment of him was. He put The Matriarchy ahead of the story. Fuck this guy. The show didn't deserve its third season and he's the reason.
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The love letters to black women in fantasy have yet to work because you keep getting crestives who know not one thing about the space telling stories. Wrinkle in time sucked monkey balls and its because they gave the story to someone who knew nothing about the genre they were just desperate to force more identity nonsense down our throats and I'll keep criticizing everyone who race bent for the women not the men further illustrating "queen" Ava only thrives on the pain and death of black men while promoting joy in black women.
I was happy to see a black male lead that was Luke Cage but that shit was too preachy and Misty Knight had far too much screen time for a side character. They turned a lot of it into a needless drama to appeal to black women even though as a group they rarely if ever support sci fi. Well I'm glad its gone and Black Lightning here's to hoping we get it right.
 
JamalSpunky said:
To some extent I feel the same way when people talk up how much Black Panther meant for black girls than they do for its meaning it was supposed to have for black boys. But despite some flaws didn't sink nearly as far as Luke Cage.
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Honestly I didn't mind it as much because it was true to the source material. The Dora Milaj was a bad ass security unit. T'Challa could have stood out more as a thoughtful genius (5th smartest character in the MCU even more than Stark)
But Like Cage was different they were writing in side women characters to have far more power than the source material at the expense of the main character. Looking back the writing plain sucked and for the same reason Black Lightning sucked from episode one. You have people completely unfamiliar with the genre writing it and even worst those who are blindly loyal to black women at the expense of black men. Still annoys me that in the history of the CW they never once did a hero story about a middle aged man. Especially when Static Shock was available with the same damn powers. And seriously if they do one more hood story I ain't supporting that shit. Fuck representation if the only thing we represent is hood life I'm good
 
This is another reason why IR between black men and (black women's arch nemesis) white women are still the most taboo. More so in mainstream.

You see the influx of gay pride in movies and tv being celebrated by celebrities. You see actresses like Viola Davis praising IR love scene with Liam Neeson(even though that blew up in her face after he made that confession.) and her pushing for more IR love scenes with black women and black women celebrating that.

But let someone praise BM/WW IR on screen, let a black actor and a white actress go to their twitter pages and mention the amount of IR we now see and talk about how wonderful it is to see. Let someone write a love letter to IR couples in include bm/ww in them.

You can be proud to be gay, you can be proud to be with a white man, you can be proud to be with a black woman. But if your a black man and your proud to be in a IR with a white woman you're a coon and if your a white woman and proud to be in a IR with a black man then your fetishizing black men.
 
darkcurry said:
This is another reason why IR between black men and (black women's arch nemesis) white women are still the most taboo. More so in mainstream.

You see the influx of gay pride in movies and tv being celebrated by celebrities. You see actresses like Viola Davis praising IR love scene with Liam Neeson(even though that blew up in her face after he made that confession.) and her pushing for more IR love scenes with black women and black women celebrating that.

But let someone praise BM/WW IR on screen, let a black actor and a white actress go to their twitter pages and mention the amount of IR we now see and talk about how wonderful it is to see. Let someone write a love letter to IR couples in include bm/ww in them.

You can be proud to be gay, you can be proud to be with a white man, you can be proud to be with a black woman. But if your a black man and your proud to be in a IR with a white woman you're a coon and if your a white woman and proud to be in a IR with a black man then your fetishizing black men.
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That's strictly an American thing and we allow it. We are surrounded by jealous bitter ass people who only mention it because they simply can't do it. Black women have shown us (at least those who complain) they demand our loyalty because they have a hard time competing with other women. Notice Asian Latina and white women don't give a single fuck about who their men date
 
The Dark King said:
The love letters to black women in fantasy have yet to work because you keep getting crestives who know not one thing about the space telling stories. Wrinkle in time sucked monkey balls and its because they gave the story to someone who knew nothing about the genre they were just desperate to force more identity nonsense down our throats and I'll keep criticizing everyone who race bent for the women not the men further illustrating "queen" Ava only thrives on the pain and death of black men while promoting joy in black women.
I was happy to see a black male lead that was Luke Cage but that shit was too preachy and Misty Knight had far too much screen time for a side character. They turned a lot of it into a needless drama to appeal to black women even though as a group they rarely if ever support sci fi. Well I'm glad its gone and Black Lightning here's to hoping we get it right.
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3 points I wanna make:

1. Bruh, I was just reminded the other day that last year WB Pictures/DC Films hired Ava to be the Director of the upcoming "New Gods" film. I can't believe that is still a thing. Keep in mind that Marvel & Kevin Feige passed on her to do "Black Panther" most likely cause she was gonna wanna do her own thing that would conflict with Feige's vision of the MCU. I refuse to believe that "New Gods" is gonna be a good movie if it ever comes out with Ava at the helm.

2. Your line about "queen Ava only thrives on the pain and death of black men while promoting joy in black women", I been thinking the same thing the whole time that Netflix miniseries "When They See Us" has been heavily promoted the last month. But it's an unpopular opinion to have so I keep it to myself.

3. After "A Wrinkle in Time" came out last year, 1 of the black podcasts I listen to were discussing the movie and they were talking about how film critics (ESPECIALLY the black male critics) on Twitter were scared to criticize the film. LOL, I guess they want to be labelled as practicing "Misogynoir".
 
ColiBreh1 said:
3 points I wanna make:

1. Bruh, I was just reminded the other day that last year WB Pictures/DC Films hired Ava to be the Director of the upcoming "New Gods" film. I can't believe that is still a thing. Keep in mind that Marvel & Kevin Feige passed on her to do "Black Panther" most likely cause she was gonna wanna do her own thing that would conflict with Feige's vision of the MCU. I refuse to believe that "New Gods" is gonna be a good movie if it ever comes out with Ava at the helm.

2. Your line about "queen Ava only thrives on the pain and death of black men while promoting joy in black women", I been thinking the same thing the whole time that Netflix miniseries "When They See Us" has been heavily promoted the last month. But it's an unpopular opinion to have so I keep it to myself.

3. After "A Wrinkle in Time" came out last year, 1 of the black podcasts I listen to were discussing the movie and they were talking about how film critics (ESPECIALLY the black male critics) on Twitter were scared to criticize the film. LOL, I guess they want to be labelled as practicing "Misogynoir".
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1. I won't be watching new Gods. We all know its going to be another love letter to black women who never supported the source material so I'm good.

2. We saw it in 13 we see it again in her recent Netflix movie. Black men being incarcerated and dying is a great stepping stone for "woke" black women shedding a light on a problem others have already done the work to shed light on the problem. We are now expected to revere her and thank her for doing work thats been done by black men for decades but whatevs.

3. I was quilted into seeing Wrinkle in time by my girl and one of my best friend. They used the "support women of color" line on me and I fell for it regrettably. From the moment I saw the trailer where there were no black males even though the mom and daughter were black I said no thanks. Then when I saw Queen Ava who only did Selma and Thirteen before this was directing I said absolutely not. Again picking people who zero clue about fantasy directing or writing fantasy. And to be absolutely clear I hate when men do it too ie Luke Cage and Black Lightning.
It was boring af and needed to be called out. To be fair I read that book in elementary school and thought it wasn't good then either. Again people falling all over themselves just because a woman wrote it not because it was actually good.
 
darkcurry said:
This is another reason why IR between black men and (black women's arch nemesis) white women are still the most taboo. More so in mainstream.

You see the influx of gay pride in movies and tv being celebrated by celebrities. You see actresses like Viola Davis praising IR love scene with Liam Neeson(even though that blew up in her face after he made that confession.) and her pushing for more IR love scenes with black women and black women celebrating that.

But let someone praise BM/WW IR on screen, let a black actor and a white actress go to their twitter pages and mention the amount of IR we now see and talk about how wonderful it is to see. Let someone write a love letter to IR couples in include bm/ww in them.

You can be proud to be gay, you can be proud to be with a white man, you can be proud to be with a black woman. But if your a black man and your proud to be in a IR with a white woman you're a coon and if your a white woman and proud to be in a IR with a black man then your fetishizing black men.
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Post of the year.
 
The Dark King said:
That's strictly an American thing and we allow it. We are surrounded by jealous bitter ass people who only mention it because they simply can't do it. Black women have shown us (at least those who complain) they demand our loyalty because they have a hard time competing with other women. Notice Asian Latina and white women don't give a single fuck about who their men date
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It's black women who are truly the NEW white men.
 
JamalSpunky said:
It's black women who are truly the NEW white men.
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In practice somewhat but not in ideology. A lot of these women are just bitter and jealous because nowhere else do you see the women of that culture so obsessed with where those men put their docks especially those who collectively say the men ain't shit. They feel trapped and desperately want to be universally desired the way white women are. What's worst is the men of their communities seem to have more options and get loved for the things they get rejected for. Honestly I get it the line of logic is easy to follow. White men on the other hand make no sense at all. They have everything the world literally functions to give them good lives and so many of them are angry and bitter. At what? Who knows.
 
The Dark King said:
In practice somewhat but not in ideology. A lot of these women are just bitter and jealous because nowhere else do you see the women of that culture so obsessed with where those men put their docks especially those who collectively say the men ain't shit. They feel trapped and desperately want to be universally desired the way white women are. What's worst is the men of their communities seem to have more options and get loved for the things they get rejected for. Honestly I get it the line of logic is easy to follow. White men on the other hand make no sense at all. They have everything the world literally functions to give them good lives and so many of them are angry and bitter. At what? Who knows.
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Feminist. Some of these feminist as we know are going overboard and spewing shit about white men and men in general that aren't true and are aiming at any man they see with even a little bit of power and believing allegations with no facts about any man accused of things and so on... the trouble white men have are these white male privileged, racist white men are also upset at feminist so unless you are a logical person in which feminist are not then you could get confused.

There are white men out there that don't like IR with black men and Black men getting these lead roles. So white men kind of have to step up and separate themselves from these white guys that are making shit worse for them. It's not our job so I can't really for sorry for them. I'm black I got my own shit to deal with including the kind of white men they don't want to separate themselves from.
 
darkcurry said:
Feminist. Some of these feminist as we know are going overboard and spewing shit about white men and men in general that aren't true and are aiming at any man they see with even a little bit of power and believing allegations with no facts about any man accused of things and so on... the trouble white men have are these white male privileged, racist white men are also upset at feminist so unless you are a logical person in which feminist are not then you could get confused.

There are white men out there that don't like IR with black men and Black men getting these lead roles. So white men kind of have to step up and separate themselves from these white guys that are making shit worse for them. It's not our job so I can't really for sorry for them. I'm black I got my own shit to deal with including the kind of white men they don't want to separate themselves from.
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I think its the job of everyone to take down toxic feminity. It harms far more than it helps and often targets black men most of all.
And also consider they do target some white men but a lot go free because they have access to institutional powers we don't. So feminist women can be pissed all they want but some how Weinstein still walks free.
 
darkcurry said:
This is another reason why IR between black men and (black women's arch nemesis) white women are still the most taboo. More so in mainstream.

You see the influx of gay pride in movies and tv being celebrated by celebrities. You see actresses like Viola Davis praising IR love scene with Liam Neeson(even though that blew up in her face after he made that confession.) and her pushing for more IR love scenes with black women and black women celebrating that.

But let someone praise BM/WW IR on screen, let a black actor and a white actress go to their twitter pages and mention the amount of IR we now see and talk about how wonderful it is to see. Let someone write a love letter to IR couples in include bm/ww in them.

You can be proud to be gay, you can be proud to be with a white man, you can be proud to be with a black woman. But if your a black man and your proud to be in a IR with a white woman you're a coon and if your a white woman and proud to be in a IR with a black man then your fetishizing black men.
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Yeah though some actors have managed to get away with it. Elizabeth Olsen comes to mind when talking about her black male lead husband for her show "Sorry for your loss"
 
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