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meowkittenmeow said:
We can’t expect white men and women to give up their position and power. So, the few who don’t support those systems (and if we are factoring in the entire population, it is very few), may hope for a better future, but we will have to wait until long after we are dead to see those systems destroyed.
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But it is WM who give this power to WW, as long as WW adhere to their rules of conformity.
 
sarah23 said:
But it is WM who give this power to WW, as long as WW adhere to their rules of conformity.
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It goes both ways actually. WM manipulate WW, and WW manipulate WM. Both parties oppress us either way.

But, keep in mind, we are talking about The U.S. and not France.
 
meowkittenmeow said:
It goes both ways actually. WM manipulate WW, and WW manipulate WM. Both parties oppress us either way.

But, keep in mind, we are talking about The U.S. and not France.
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Are you then saying that if a WW is with a BM, she is still being manipulated by a WM ? ?
 
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Beasty said:
Where is the boycott, until then I'm done.

Why do we accept half assed work when it comes to our lives and freedom? Will you accept a half assed mechanic or half assed nurse?

This isn't a hard problem to solve it's half done we just need to quit fucking around.

You quote child labor laws as if White men don't have kids that benefit from it. They win sometimes and we benefit.
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So you're saying specific to black people. Got it
 
sarah23 said:
But it is WM who give this power to WW, as long as WW adhere to their rules of conformity.
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Yeah but isn't it better to be second in command than being on the bottom of the pile. Not to mention a lot of women hell most women don't mind being second to their man. A famous man said it once "women don't want to win they want a winner" Beyonce couldn't be happy with a man less than a Jay-Z
 
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meowkittenmeow said:
A few, but even then it is hard to tell, as some may seem on your side, but the stereotypes, backhanded compliments, and so on.

Just like with any friendship, or relationship, you can’t always tell someone’s real motives.
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We learned in the last presidential election that race is more important than gender. Even when the choice was between a man that had rape accusations and a woman they didn't like white women chose the accused rapist and well known failed businessman. Seriously what should our take away be?
 
sarah23 said:
Are you then saying that if a WW is with a BM, she is still being manipulated by a WM ? ?
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Same question worded differently...

Is Donald Trump no longer a misogynist because he has married, had kids with, and sleeps with a woman?

It’s a case by case basis. So, it is more than possible.
 
The Dark King said:
We learned in the last presidential election that race is more important than gender. Even when the choice was between a man that had rape accusations and a woman they didn't like white women chose the accused rapist and well known failed businessman. Seriously what should our take away be?
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I have posted the brother singing in the Walmart so many times, that you already know my answer.
 
meowkittenmeow said:
So true. It’s kind of wild how few allies we actually have.
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I move under the assumption I have no "allies," only limited partners in self-interest. I do not expect white people male or female to act against their own self-interests to benefit me i.e. dismantle white supremacy. I provide value where ever I go, therefore, I'm always included. If you have to cry about representation and inclusion, chances are you don't provide value.
 
RicardoCooper said:
Like gaining majorities in the House, Senate and SCOTUS to work your will on the nation. Otherwise known as Civics 101.
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Is that how it happened before? Or is that the only way now? And does it matter what kind of people you put in the house and Senate or is there no difference between Ilhan Omar and Joe Crowley?
 
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