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[Beasty]

LOL! Are we certain Jean Racine wasn't actually the Joker (or at least the 17th century version/inspiration)?

Really? I'd like to hear how you came to that conclusion. Some real life examples are the guy from the movie "City of God" it's a true story and a damn good one too. Also "Baby Face Nelson" who killed more law enforcement officers than anyone in American History, dude was a very dangerous psychopath.

The best example is probably "Dutch Schultz" who was a lot like Baby face Nelson except he was a lot smarter. He muscled his way into the big rackets during the 1920's and became a mob boss. Dude was also a crazed psychopath. His style of being a thug just was out of date in the 1930's by that time the gangsters that were still in the rackets survived because they changed up their methods to suit the times.

Dutch was so crazy he stormed out of a meeting with the mob commission after they told him that he couldn't kill a prosecutor. He basically told Lucky Luciano to fuck himself and that he was going to kill the prosecutor anyway. That's not how you talk to the guy that founded "Murder Inc." Needless to say....he got whacked shortly after.

Not sure if all of these events were before or after the joker but they are real life examples of the same archetype.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

So black women who message you are analogous to rapists, which you find funny?

Black women who do not take no for an answer/do not respect boundaries (in the age of #Metoo), and either attempt to coerce me into dating them through shaming language, or attempt to shame me for saying no in the first place and attempt to inform me that black men belong to black women through implication or blatant literal statements are predatory. I did not say they were rapists. I did, however, explain my position on the matter by elaborating how it previously affected me and why, and how it affects me differently these days and why.

Your question isn’t just an oversimplification of what I said, but is categorically inaccurate and, quite frankly a straw man fallacy.

 

[Beasty]

I think there’s a reason why we have both, brain and emotions. There are some people who are really smart but emotionally completely incompetent. Then there are those who are all feelings and lack some pragmatism in life. I think it’s best to be smart and have some empathy as well.

I agree but people can't expect others to be as sensitive as them. Here we are taught at an early age that "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me."

That said, there is a time and place for everything. Areas like the work place you may have to walk on egg shells just so you don't offend people with delicate sensibilities. Outside of that it's just unrealistic to expect people to be as sensitive, because I know people that were maybe offended or hurt by something I may have said but it was more than obvious that I wasn't trying to hurt them intentionally. I refuse to spend my life on egg shells just because of something like that.

I remember a family member literally complaining behind my back because I said potatoes was likely only for people who do hard work like construction, therefore everyone else should maybe keep that in mind for the sake of moderation. We do have an office culture here being that this is a first world country. Dig this, I was a physical trainer at the time. WTF. How the hell someone took that personal is beyond me but their problem not mine.


There are people starving and homeless in this world and if all someone has to complain about is hurt feelings, then they can expect no sympathy from me. Where I come from complaining about hurt feelings will just make someone dislike you even more.

 

[qaz1]

Really? I'd like to hear how you came to that conclusion. Some real life examples are the guy from the movie "City of God" it's a true story and a damn good one too. Also "Baby Face Nelson" who killed more law enforcement officers than anyone in American History, dude was a very dangerous psychopath.

The best example is probably "Dutch Schultz" who was a lot like Baby face Nelson except he was a lot smarter. He muscled his way into the big rackets during the 1920's and became a mob boss. Dude was also a crazed psychopath. His style of being a thug just was out of date in the 1930's by that time the gangsters that were still in the rackets survived because they changed up their methods to suit the times.

Dutch was so crazy he stormed out of a meeting with the mob commission after they told him that he couldn't kill a prosecutor. He basically told Lucky Luciano to fuck himself and that he was going to kill the prosecutor anyway. That's not how you talk to the guy that founded "Murder Inc." Needless to say....he got whacked shortly after.

Not sure if all of these events were before or after the joker but they are real life examples of the same archetype.

Lol I really wasn't that deep into it. I truly just thought that was a rather Joker-sounding quote.

I wasn't familiar with the original context of the quote so I couldn't really say much more than that.

 

[qaz1]

Black women who do not take no for an answer/do not respect boundaries (in the age of #Metoo), and either attempt to coerce me into dating them through shaming language, or attempt to shame me for saying no in the first place and attempt to inform me that black men belong to black women through implication or blatant literal statements are predatory. I did not say they were rapists. I did, however, explain my position on the matter by elaborating how it previously affected me and why, and how it affects me differently these days and why.

Your question isn’t just an oversimplification of what I said, but is categorically inaccurate and, quite frankly a straw man fallacy.

I accuse me of constructing a straw man and then do the same to me lol! There's a difference between calling someone a rapist and saying someone is analogous to a rapist. And for the record I legit only asked the question for clarification. I meant to make no accusation. Since you seemingly took it take way, my bad for miscommunicating.

Your feelings are unequivocally valid of course. If you feel that violated by women messaging you when you wish they wouldn't, that's you. And people should respect that.

I personally would call the behavior you describe as more presumptive and bullying than predatory, but I take your point.

That said I agree with the others that your pre-rejection comes of as unnecessarily jerkish. But that's just us. There's no law requiring anyone to be kind. Your clearly free to do what you want.

 

[qaz1]

I agree but people can't expect others to be as sensitive as them. Here we are taught at an early age that "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me."

That said, there is a time and place for everything. Areas like the work place you may have to walk on egg shells just so you don't offend people with delicate sensibilities. Outside of that it's just unrealistic to expect people to be as sensitive, because I know people that were maybe offended or hurt by something I may have said but it was more than obvious that I wasn't trying to hurt them intentionally. I refuse to spend my life on egg shells just because of something like that.

I remember a family member literally complaining behind my back because I said potatoes was likely only for people who do hard work like construction, therefore everyone else should maybe keep that in mind for the sake of moderation. We do have an office culture here being that this is a first world country. Dig this, I was a physical trainer at the time. WTF. How the hell someone took that personal is beyond me but their problem not mine.


There are people starving and homeless in this world and if all someone has to complain about is hurt feelings, then they can expect no sympathy from me. Where I come from complaining about hurt feelings will just make someone dislike you even more.

Oh I COMPLETELY agree that people have gotten too sensitive. And the sensitivity policing is out of hand for real. I guess that's the tough part, finding the proper balance of consideration and distance.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

I accuse me of constructing a straw man and then do the same to me lol! There's a difference between calling someone a rapist and saying someone is analogous to a rapist. And for the record I legit only asked the question for clarification. I meant to make no accusation. Since you seemingly took it take way, my bad for miscommunicating.

Your feelings are unequivocally valid of course. If you feel that violated by women messaging you when you wish they wouldn't, that's you. And people should respect that.

I personally would call the behavior you describe as more presumptive and bullying than predatory, but I take your point.

That said I agree with the others that your pre-rejection comes of as unnecessarily jerkish. But that's just us. There's no law requiring anyone to be kind. Your clearly free to do what you want.

I never said nor implied that predatory behavior is analogous to being a rapist. Something that I elaborated ad nauseam in the #metoo thread. Thus, the implication would lead to a straw man fallacy. However, if you are unfamiliar with my statements in said thread, I suppose your question was innocent, and I apologize for the accusation.

in regards to the others, I have seen terribly jerkish statements and downright offensive ones made by TDK, and have respected his right to make them even if I disagreed greatly. I find it difficult to listen to people who attempt to take the moral high ground simply because they are happy now, and wish to speak to me as if I don’t already know their previous statements or behavior. He is entitled to his opinion, but I do not have to entertain it, nor do I have to pretend that his opinion is the right one simply because he thinks it is (They may be the right opinions for him, but they may not be the right ones for everyone else).

I, at no point, claimed to be a good man or a great man, I am decent (basically trying to do more good than bad). But, the reality is that common courtesy and respect goes out the window when a person, regardless of gender or race, doesn’t respect my boundaries and actively attempts to cross them. Thank you for your fair argument.

 

[qaz1]

I never said nor implied that predatory behavior is analogous to being a rapist. Something that I elaborated ad nauseam in the #metoo thread. Thus, the implication would lead to a straw man fallacy. However, if you are unfamiliar with my statements in said thread, I suppose your question was innocent, and I apologize for the accusation.

in regards to the others, I have seen terribly jerkish statements and downright offensive ones made by TDK, and have respected his right to make them even if I disagreed greatly. I find it difficult to listen to people who attempt to take the moral high ground simply because they are happy now, and wish to speak to me as if I don’t already know their previous statements or behavior. He is entitled to his opinion, but I do not have to entertain it, nor do I have to pretend that his opinion is the right one simply because he thinks it is (They may be the right opinions for him, but they may not be the right ones for everyone else).

I, at no point, claimed to be a good man or a great man, I am decent (basically trying to do more good than bad). But, the reality is that common courtesy and respect goes out the window when a person, regardless of gender or race, doesn’t respect my boundaries and actively attempts to cross them. Thank you for your fair argument.

Okay I think I better get where you're coming from. I also think we've probably exhausted this particular topic LOL

Thanks for explaining

 

[meowkittenmeow]

Okay I think I better get where you're coming from. I also think we've probably exhausted this particular topic LOL

Thanks for explaining

No problem, and Ironically, TDK could have just moved past my post like some should have just moved past my profile, lol.

 

[Beasty]

Lol I really wasn't that deep into it. I truly just thought that was a rather Joker-sounding quote.

I'm wasn't familiar with the original context of the quote so I couldn't really say much more than that.

LOL.

Jean Racine was an Artist. He had a gift for writing. At his level it took some human insight. He was just letting you get a peep at some of it.

 

[Beasty]

Lol I really wasn't that deep into it. I truly just thought that was a rather Joker-sounding quote.

I wasn't familiar with the original context of the quote so I couldn't really say much more than that.

Just in case there is any doubt who the real life Joker was

"Dutch began strong-arming speakeasies run by competitors into buying his alcohol and violently punishing those who didn't. One tavern owner, Joe Rock, blatantly refused to buy Dutch's liquor and lived to regret it after Dutch kidnapped him. Dutch dragged the man back to an abandoned warehouse, where he was hung from meathooks by his thumbs. While he was hanging there, Dutch taped a piece of gauze saturated with discharge from a gonorrhea infection over Rock's eyes. The bacteria infected Rock's eyes, causing him to go blind, and news of this cruelty struck fear into the hearts of speakeasy owners all over town."

http://www.freeinfosociety.com/article.php?id=205

 

[qaz1]

Just in case there is any doubt who the real life Joker was

"Dutch began strong-arming speakeasies run by competitors into buying his alcohol and violently punishing those who didn't. One tavern owner, Joe Rock, blatantly refused to buy Dutch's liquor and lived to regret it after Dutch kidnapped him. Dutch dragged the man back to an abandoned warehouse, where he was hung from meathooks by his thumbs. While he was hanging there, Dutch taped a piece of gauze saturated with discharge from a gonorrhea infection over Rock's eyes. The bacteria infected Rock's eyes, causing him to go blind, and news of this cruelty struck fear into the hearts of speakeasy owners all over town."

http://www.freeinfosociety.com/article.php?id=205

Yeah that's some real supervillain stuff right there

 

[Beasty]

Yeah that's some real supervillain stuff right there

He became filthy rich and still dressed like a slob.

 

[qaz1]

He became filthy rich and still dressed like a slob.

Kinda makes you wonder what's the point of it all then lol

 

[Beasty]

Kinda makes you wonder what's the point of it all then lol

Exactly.

Other than the fact he was a psychopath.

He had some of the most dangerous hitmen and even had to go to war with one of them named Vincent Mad Dog Coll. (he was Crazy too)

Coll wanted to be he partner and was so dangerous any sane person would have just agreed, but not Dutch. It was a brutal war between those two eventually ending in Coll being killed by Irish Mob Boss Owney Madden. Coll got shot up in a phone booth with a submachine gun.

 

[Madeleine]

I agree but people can't expect others to be as sensitive as them. Here we are taught at an early age that "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me."

That said, there is a time and place for everything. Areas like the work place you may have to walk on egg shells just so you don't offend people with delicate sensibilities. Outside of that it's just unrealistic to expect people to be as sensitive, because I know people that were maybe offended or hurt by something I may have said but it was more than obvious that I wasn't trying to hurt them intentionally. I refuse to spend my life on egg shells just because of something like that.

I remember a family member literally complaining behind my back because I said potatoes was likely only for people who do hard work like construction, therefore everyone else should maybe keep that in mind for the sake of moderation. We do have an office culture here being that this is a first world country. Dig this, I was a physical trainer at the time. WTF. How the hell someone took that personal is beyond me but their problem not mine.


There are people starving and homeless in this world and if all someone has to complain about is hurt feelings, then they can expect no sympathy from me. Where I come from complaining about hurt feelings will just make someone dislike you even more.

Lol, the potato thing is just ridiculous!
I am not saying one should have to walk on egg shells all the time. I believe in being honest but at the same time being considerate of other people’s feelings as well. Doesn’t mean one has to please others, but I try to deliver the honesty politely and where possible not step on other people’s shoes. I hate those kind of office environments and I am not interested in navigating all the sensitivities and the bitching and backbiting. In the case of the dating profile I wouldn’t state any particular race preference and then simply ignore the ones that don’t appeal to me. Of course anyone can choose to do it differently. I guess being direct and being rude is a fine line to navigate which people interpret differently depending on their culture and upbringing.

 

[Beasty]

Lol, the potato thing is just ridiculous!
I am not saying one should have to walk on egg shells all the time. I believe in being honest but at the same time being considerate of other people’s feelings as well. Doesn’t mean one has to please others, but I try to deliver the honesty politely and where possible not step on other people’s shoes. I hate those kind of office environments and I am not interested in navigating all the sensitivities and the bitching and backbiting. In the case of the dating profile I wouldn’t state any particular race preference and then simply ignore the ones that don’t appeal to me. Of course anyone can choose to do it differently. I guess being direct and being rude is a fine line to navigate which people interpret differently depending on their culture and upbringing.

Even if what he did can be considered "jerkish," what's more telling is people not respecting his boundaries and acting as if he owes them an explanation. Complaining about how someone else decides to put themselves out there is basically saying that you have a problem with their freedom of expression and that your feelings are more important than how they choose to live their lives. That's what I find to be off putting.

It's one of the things that I don't like about people.

1.) They can't mind their own business.
2.) They think they have the right to tell others what to do and how to live.
3.) They have a tendency to make simple things difficult for others. (as well as themselves)

I'm not perfect but I don't have these bullshit qualities.

Back to thinking vs emotion.

Smarter people have to deal with dumb people and they can't insist on them being smarter, so it's only fair that sensitive people not expect others to be as sensitive as them. I think that's fair enough.

As far as the profile thing, I probably wouldn't do it, but I'd like to think that it's well within my right to carry myself how I please.

Why judge him if it's not affecting your life? (or anyone else's really) That's what I don't understand. Those people could have kept on scrolling.

 

[Madeleine]

Even if what he did can be considered "jerkish," what's more telling is people not respecting his boundaries and acting as if he owes them an explanation. Complaining about how someone else decides to put themselves out there is basically saying that you have a problem with their freedom of expression and that your feelings are more important than how they choose to live their lives. That's what I find to be off putting.

It's one of the things that I don't like about people.

1.) They can't mind their own business.
2.) They think they have the right to tell others what to do and

Of course you don’t complain about other people’s dating profiles. You ignore it and move on with life if you don’t like it.

 

[Beasty]

People being insecure is just as big a problem as people lacking empathy. Lack of empathy shows where people can't get healthcare (not people who have hurt feelings)

Human insecurity shows up in just about every other problem there is.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

People being insecure is just as big a problem as people lacking empathy. Lack of empathy shows where people can't get healthcare (not people who have hurt feelings)

Human insecurity shows up in just about every other problem there is.

Ironically, it’s empathy that allows me to be upfront about what I want and or don’t want, so that people can see that we are not compatible and move on. Some people see it as a challenge, and that’s when things get weird and creepy.