Random Political comments...

Thump said:
Hey, Bliss how ya doing? long time no rant.

Elon is a businessman, who is near the top of personal wealth in the world. People with that much money don't invest $44 billion on something that is guaranteed to lose revenue and never recover it again. Twitter's value and revenue are 100% advertisement generated. So Mr. Musk has to care about what the people who pay him (advertisers) care about.

Let me give you a quick lesson in how extreme wealth works in an open free market. Elon Musk is worth $269 Billion (on paper) but the bulk of that is not liquid, it's mostly tied up in stock and asset valuation. That means most of his wealth is dependent on how much his assets (in a flowing market) are worth at any given moment. If hypothetically his companies financially collapsed overnight, he would no longer be the "richest man in the world" in fact he would personally lose $266 Billion, meaning he would only be left with $3 billion.

Filthy rich capitalists like Elon are dependent on the confidence of the market to keep them rich, if Elon Musk spends $44 billion dollars on one of the largest tech purchases in history, and then tanks the company (which purging advertisers would do) it will cause confidence in the rest of his business to wain, which will cost him countless billions.

Something else to consider is, that as the sole owner of Twitter, he (Elon) is liable and accountable for anything and everything that happens on his platform. If even one person got hurt by a disgruntled ex-boyfriend posting "revenge porn," an anarchist posting instructions on how to make a bomb, or a racist person advertising a Klan rally meetup, Elon would get sued into oblivion. That is why Twitter had so many rules in the first place.
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Just like Trump is actually a millionaire with say 20 million in cash reserves.
 
ColiBreh1 said:
To be fair to @Tony Soprano, being an "Independent" just means you're not registered with a political party. It doesn't tell you anything about how they vote or what their political ideology is.

On the other hand, I don't buy for 1-second that he's actually a swing voter. He posts like a typical BlueAnon NPC you saw on Twitter, Reddit, & etc.
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Typical right wing projection. The word is QAnon, and it's time that you own your own nutcases in your party. There is no equivalent on the left who have taken over the Democratic party.
 
Thump said:
Interesting....however, it's also a strawman fallacy. A vasectomy is a proactive medical procedure done to prevent pregnancy. Abortion is a reactive medical procedure done to end a pregnancy.
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They're still both done to ultimately prevent the unwanted birth of a child, both are alternative forms of birth control. It's a thought problem; no man would ever allow a political movement to force them to get a vasectomy in an effort to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

That's how ridiculous it is to take away choice from women by MEN when it comes to abortion.
 
andreboba said:
They're still both done to ultimately prevent the unwanted birth of a child, both are alternative forms of birth control. It's a thought problem; no man would ever allow a political movement to force them to get a vasectomy in an effort to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

That's how ridiculous it is to take away choice from women by MEN when it comes to abortion.
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Yes, but actually no.

I understand what the man is trying to say, He's making the same half-argument a lot of pro-choice people make. He is following the same talking points that have been regurgitated over and over since the 70s. By now pro-choice people have got it down to a science the way they choose to keep steering the argument back to "female body autonomy" and away from the grim physical reality of what abortion entails and the moral ambiguity of drawing an imaginary line in the sand and deciding which side of the line is a human life.

Also if we men really want to be allies for women, we probably should stop silencing the voices of pro-life women by stereotyping pro-lifers as MEN "trying to take away women's choices". Despite what the media wants people to think, the pro-life movement is overflowing with women. Pro-life is a women's issue.
 
Thump said:
Yes, but actually no.

I understand what the man is trying to say, He's making the same half-argument a lot of pro-choice people make. He is following the same talking points that have been regurgitated over and over since the 70s. By now pro-choice people have got it down to a science the way they choose to keep steering the argument back to "female body autonomy" and away from the grim physical reality of what abortion entails and the moral ambiguity of drawing an imaginary line in the sand and deciding which side of the line is a human life.

Also if we men really want to be allies for women, we probably should stop silencing the voices of pro-life women by stereotyping pro-lifers as MEN "trying to take away women's choices". Despite what the media wants people to think, the pro-life movement is overflowing with women. Pro-life is a women's issue.
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#HerBodyHerChoice

Whatever that choice may be is up to her and only her. If a man can tell a woman where and how to conceive, then she gets to decide whether or not she wants to keep the child and it's really nobody's business what she ultimately decides to do.

Flat-out.
 
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Thump said:
Yes, but actually no.

I understand what the man is trying to say, He's making the same half-argument a lot of pro-choice people make. He is following the same talking points that have been regurgitated over and over since the 70s. By now pro-choice people have got it down to a science the way they choose to keep steering the argument back to "female body autonomy" and away from the grim physical reality of what abortion entails and the moral ambiguity of drawing an imaginary line in the sand and deciding which side of the line is a human life.

Also if we men really want to be allies for women, we probably should stop silencing the voices of pro-life women by stereotyping pro-lifers as MEN "trying to take away women's choices". Despite what the media wants people to think, the pro-life movement is overflowing with women. Pro-life is a women's issue.
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I got it, Thump.

But when 4(?) men and one woman on the SCOTUS are on the verge of ending Roe v Wade, the bottom line issue really does come down to men taking away choice from women about what they want to do with their bodies.
The issue is about CHOICE, not pro life versus pro abortion.
 
Tony Soprano said:
#HerBodyHerChoice

Whatever that choice may be is up to her and only her. If a man can tell a woman where and how to conceive, then she gets to decide whether or not she wants to keep it and it nobody's business what she ultimately decides to do.

Flat-out.
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andreboba said:
I got it, Thump.

But when 4(?) men and one woman on the SCOTUS are on the verge of ending Roe v Wade, the bottom line issue really does come down to men taking away choice from women about what they want to do with their bodies.
The issue is about CHOICE, not pro life versus pro abortion.
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Pro-Choice, #HerBodyHerChoice, body autonomy, reproductive rights, etc. are all brilliant and damned effective marketing slogans. They are so effective that most people don't even realize that those slogans and hashtags don't actually address the issue at all.

C'mon let's be real for a minute, nobody cares about the personal choices of other people. This shit was never about that. Like I said above, that idea was cooked up in a marketing department somewhere, because they knew, if they can make the opposition look like they are against "choice" or against "women's rights" pro-lifers automatically become the "bad guys". If pro-abortionists debated this issue on what it's literally about, they know their entire (non-choice) argument is an arbitrary line in the sand.
 
Thump said:
Pro-Choice, #HerBodyHerChoice, body autonomy, reproductive rights, etc. are all brilliant and damned effective marketing slogans. They are so effective that most people don't even realize that those slogans and hashtags don't actually address the issue at all.

C'mon let's be real for a minute, nobody cares about the personal choices of other people. This shit was never about that. Like I said above, that idea was cooked up in a marketing department somewhere, because they knew, if they can make the opposition look like they are against "choice" or against "women's rights" pro-lifers automatically become the "bad guys". If pro-abortionists debated this issue on what it's literally about, they know their entire (non-choice) argument is an arbitrary line in the sand.
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Except no one is pro-death or pro-abortion. The issue really is about choice for a woman if she has an unwanted pregnancy. I personally would never encourage a woman to get an abortion, but again it's her choice, or should be.

If a woman is considering an abortion, I believe she should make that decision in 8-10 weeks. I am also really in favor of the morning after pill, which ends potential conception hours after unprotected sex.

Look, if this debate was left up to women exclusively, IMO there wouldn't be an issue.
Let's see where this goes.

Conservatives have been running and winning elections on being anti-abortion for decades. Now the dog has finally caught the car.
Illegal immigration, guns and being anti-gay/trans doesn't motivate the GOP base the same way abortion rights does.

The GOP made a suicide pact when they decided to marry their conservatism with right wing evangelicals. It's astonishing to see how many 'conservatives' were pro Roe v Wade in the 1970s.
Even now, almost 70 % of Americans are pro-choice when it comes to abortion.

IMO the right wing SCOTUS is making a cataclysmic mistake.
 
andreboba said:
Except no one is pro-death or pro-abortion. The issue really is about choice for a woman if she has an unwanted pregnancy. I personally would never encourage a woman to get an abortion, but again it's her choice, or should be.

If a woman is considering an abortion, I believe she should make that decision in 8-10 weeks. I am also really in favor of the morning after pill, which ends potential conception hours after unprotected sex.

Look, if this debate was left up to women exclusively, IMO there wouldn't be an issue.
Let's see where this goes.

Conservatives have been running and winning elections on being anti-abortion for decades. Now the dog has finally caught the car.
Illegal immigration, guns and being anti-gay/trans doesn't motivate the GOP base the same way abortion rights does.

The GOP made a suicide pact when they decided to marry their conservatism with right wing evangelicals. It's astonishing to see how many 'conservatives' were pro Roe v Wade in the 1970s.
Even now, almost 70 % of Americans are pro-choice when it comes to abortion.

IMO the right wing SCOTUS is making a cataclysmic mistake.
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I had a whole thing ready to reply, but I keep forgetting my self-imposed limit on politics. lol

So I'll end here for now, but I ask that we remember that the "choice" that keeps getting brought up, isn't an abstract concept, it is literally a choice of life or the cessation of life.
 
andreboba said:
They're still both done to ultimately prevent the unwanted birth of a child, both are alternative forms of birth control. It's a thought problem; no man would ever allow a political movement to force them to get a vasectomy in an effort to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

That's how ridiculous it is to take away choice from women by MEN when it comes to abortion.
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Abortion is a messed up form of birth control. Wow.
 
Bookworm616 said:
Is it also a war on women when a man who now, after going through puberty as a man, decides he's a woman and competes in women's sports??
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Athletic competitions where a cis woman might be at a disadvantage, versus a woman being forced to give birth no matter the reason for her pregnancy or the consequences.

Is that really the comparison you want to go with? This isn't even comparing apples to oranges. This is compaing apple seeds to orange groves.
 
Since1980 said:
Athletic competitions where a cis woman might be at a disadvantage, versus a woman being forced to give birth no matter the reason for her pregnancy or the consequences.

Is that really the comparison you want to go with? This isn't even comparing apples to oranges. This is compaing apple seeds to orange groves.
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That is also a "war on women". And overturning Roe v Wade only puts the abortion issue onto the states, where it should be.

The sky is not falling, no matter how badly the Dems want it to.
 
Bookworm616 said:
Is it also a war on women when a man who now, after going through puberty as a man, decides he's a woman and competes in women's sports??
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Wow, I see what you did there. Way to adjust the narrative. Lol

Bookworm616 said:
This decision by the Supreme Court is just putting the decisions back to the States, where it belongs. That's it.
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I'm sure if this were 1862 as opposed to the year 2022 you would absolutely be a staunch supporter of "State's Rights" as well. So I'm at all surprised.
 
Tony Soprano said:
Wow, I see what you did there. Way to adjust the narrative. Lol



I'm sure if this were 1862 as opposed to the year 2022 you would absolutely be a staunch supporter of "State's Rights" as well. So I'm at all surprised.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the Civil War fought because of "State's Rights" according to all of the individuals who fought on (or at least agree with) the losing side of that war? It's fascinating to see how certain segments of the population cling to & seemingly romanticize that particular archaic way of thinking/living.

And keeping in what is suppose to be the theme/purpose of this site, I also find it interesting that individuals who are cool with State's Rights don't think interracial marriages wouldn't be on the list of things to be made illegal in certain states if State's Rights is the way to govern this country. But I digress since interracial marriages/relationships for some folks posting on this site is simply just cover/shits & giggles/internet cosplay at the end of the day.......
 
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