Normally,I wouldn't say this around Black people but...

[Liquid Swords]

I know this isn't the topic of the thread at all but when I was out with my ex people would speak slow as if he was an idiot or from a foreign country (born and raised here) sometimes. Especially in my home town, we went out for a bite at a cafe and the woman was so damn ignorant, she spoke normal to me but to him she was like "hellllooooo, whhhhaaattt wwwooouuldd youuu liiiike toooo eeeaaatt?" and asked if he managed to read the menu :roll:.

 

[scott1618]

I meant the majority (not all, mind you) of the black people who voted for Obama were black voters who just voted for him because he was black. I thought that might be a "given" considering the subject of this thread. Excuse me.



I don't doubt that at all. But this thread is about black people and what whites have to say about black people. So I didn't feel the urge to point out (and I sure wasn't forgetting) the number of white people that wouldn't vote for Obama because he is black. I feel the same about them (the white people who did not vote for Obama because of his race as the black people who did vote for Obama because of his race.) But this thread isn't for how I feel about white people. Sheesh, nitpicky, are we?

Okay I thought you just meant the majority of Obama's voters since that is literally what you said. Excuse me for taking your words exactly as you typed them.



Blacks have always voted more favorable for the Democratic candidate (up in the high 80%) and that percentage was only up a few percent as compared to blacks voting for Kerry or Clinton this year. Yes there was a bigger black turnout but there was a bigger voter turnout all across the Democratic board.

With those direct facts being said, I definately won't deny that there were alot of blacks that voted for Obama on race alone but how you conclude that it was definately "most" is beyond me. Like I said i'll stop though, I dont want people to feel inhibited with their opinions in this thread.

 

[shion]

I know this isn't the topic of the thread at all but when I was out with my ex people would speak slow as if he was an idiot or from a foreign country (born and raised here) sometimes. Especially in my home town, we went out for a bite at a cafe and the woman was so damn ignorant, she spoke normal to me but to him she was like "hellllooooo, whhhhaaattt wwwooouuldd youuu liiiike toooo eeeaaatt?" and asked if he managed to read the menu :roll:.

how did she know? does he have a thick accent?
I think she tryin' to hard to communicate.

 

[Liquid Swords]

how did she know? does he have a thick accent?
I think she tryin' to hard to communicate.

Nope, he has a normal accent, he's from Manchester in England. I could tell what she was doing, there's virtually no black people in my home town so my guess is that she hadn't really spoken to a black guy before. It's a tiny town in Scotland we're talking about. There was a couple of black people at my high school, couple chinese and couple Indian but that's it. I don't think she was meaning to be rude but it came across that way.

 

[Brittney]

Okay I thought you just meant the majority of Obama's voters since that is literally what you said. Excuse me for taking your words exactly as you typed them.

It's okay, I can find it in my heart to forgive you

Blacks have always voted more favorable for the Democratic candidate (up in the high 80%) and that percentage was only up a few percent as compared to blacks voting for Kerry or Clinton this year. Yes there was a bigger black turnout but there was a bigger voter turnout all across the Democratic board.

Yes, this generally was a pretty important election. I believe that's why there was a bigger voter turnout.

With those direct facts being said, I definately won't deny that there were alot of blacks that voted for Obama on race alone but how you conclude that it was definately "most" is beyond me. Like I said i'll stop though, I dont want people to feel inhibited with their opinions in this thread.

That's just how I feel, that it was "most". Just like I think most of the women who wanted to vote for Hilary Clinton, wanted to, soley because she was a woman. I don't know whether I'm right or wrong, that's just the way I feel about it. Maybe because I don't like it at all, so I exaggerate over it.

 

[GrecoJones84]

care to expalin ,Greco, any specifics?

Black people fuckin' up in front of white people..or in general?

Meh it's case to case. An example would be some super stereotypical dude on reality TV feeding the stereotype monster.

 

[shion]

Meh it's case to case. An example would be some super stereotypical dude on reality TV feeding the stereotype monster.

Like that Big Brother, this season , with the white girl fucking dude on camera....I can't watch that.
Ol' girl seem real slutty doing that shit on t.v. and she had to doing with a brotha....its like that's the only white girls we can get.

Flavor of Love....New york...(shake my head at that)

but I love the PJ's ..the claymation that Eddie Murhphy provided voice over for.

 

[FEHG]

I hate it when any person fulfills stereotypes - especially negative ones.

I feel as though a lot of black people follow very strong stereotypes under the guise of racial pride, when in actual fact it's a "cut off the nose to spite the face" type of scenario.

I also feel as though a lot of black people are angry - perhaps with reason - and that this is holding them back from achieving their potential. I don't believe that the world is as hard for them as they think, and that there are many opportunities which are missed because of each individual's (and the collective) perception of the situation and their negative response. I am not saying that the world is equal - we all know that's not true...What I'm saying is that we create our own reality. And that in this day and age, the systems are in place to allow any person to succeed if they want it badly enough.

I would point out that this is constructive criticism. I hate nothing more than a faltering minority. I want nothing more than an equal society where all can and do succeed. I say what I say with the purpose of highlighting issues which I believe can be rectified in order uplift the black community.

 

[kuntrygirl30]

The only argument that my ex and I had on this issue was this case up North when this huge, out of control BM was charging the police and they brought him down with force. I do not condone beating the crap out of anyone, but this dude was a threat and wouldn't stay down. It caused a huge racial uproar and we disagreed with each other on whether or not it was a racial issue. That was the first time he ever placed me in the "racist white folk" category.

 

[Brittney]

The only argument that my ex and I had on this issue was this case up North when this huge, out of control BM was charging the police and they brought him down with force. I do not condone beating the crap out of anyone, but this dude was a threat and wouldn't stay down. It caused a huge racial uproar and we disagreed with each other on whether or not it was a racial issue. That was the first time he ever placed me in the "racist white folk" category.

Like I said:

Some black people need to stop being so damn sensitive and thinking that everything is race related. Stop crying and Do Something or STFU!!! And get over it and live your life to the fullest!!

 

[Tonivegas82]

Some black people need to stop being so damn sensitive and thinking that everything is race related. Stop crying and Do Something or STFU!!! And get over it and live your life to the fullest!!

This reminds me of a skit on The Lost Episodes of the Chappelle Show, the one where Charlie Murphy is Frankenstein and thinks that his co-workers are racist against him for being black. They just were mad scared of him because he was Frankenstein.

 

[karmacoma.]

Okay I thought you just meant the majority of Obama's voters since that is literally what you said. Excuse me for taking your words exactly as you typed them.



Blacks have always voted more favorable for the Democratic candidate (up in the high 80%) and that percentage was only up a few percent as compared to blacks voting for Kerry or Clinton this year. Yes there was a bigger black turnout but there was a bigger voter turnout all across the Democratic board.

With those direct facts being said, I definately won't deny that there were alot of blacks that voted for Obama on race alone but how you conclude that it was definately "most" is beyond me. Like I said i'll stop though, I dont want people to feel inhibited with their opinions in this thread.

David Gergen said on one news show that Obama got more of the actual white vote than either Gore or Kerry did, which suggests that independents and even some pragmatic Republicans voted for him, so you can see where Britty's assertion is simple-minded at best, racist at worst.

 

[Brittney]

This reminds me of a skit on The Lost Episodes of the Chappelle Show, the one where Charlie Murphy is Frankenstein and thinks that his co-workers are racist against him for being black. They just were mad scared of him because he was Frankenstein.

There you go.

 

[Brittney]

racist at worst.

Yep, I'm racist. Sorry everyone I forgot to tell you that I guess that means I'm racist towards my own race too. And that I'm sexist towards women, because I said the same thing about them as well. You can't deny the shit that I said any more than I can prove it. Just giving my opinion, if it's simple-minded or racist to you, then so be it. I don't give a slimey frog flying f**k. :mrgreen:

 

[Persephone]

I'll say pretty much anything to anyone if I want to, but only after I know it'll be ok. I don't go up to random black people and make fried chicken jokes, but my friend laugh their asses off when I do. I gotta know how someone is going to take my personality before I unleash it on them, and I also respect people, so I don't want to be rude or offensive if I don't know them. But I don't generally specifically avoid saying anything I don't think would be offensive to anyone, if I want to. I just don't like being mean and rude.

It's more about how well I know a person as to what I'll say or not say moreso than their race. There are far more things I don't say to white people in general than I don't say to black people, like I mentioned in the other thread.

 

[scylla]

Ok.. here we go:

.... that I think all the talk about black/white is rasist BS you say sometimes just so you don't have to make the effort and step up to it. All the talk about stereotypes and so on is just a way of strengthening them, it's the same with some (most, probably) women, who just decide that they are the victims, and then go screaming about that the whole time instead of changing your life.

the whole black people is like this, acts like this.. white people is like this, acts like this. argh. You know, before I started hangin out with black people as much as I do now, I never ever heard so much racist talk.. That bugs me. I'm not sayin all black people do this, but the general jargon seem to be permitting a lot more prejudice then at least I'm used to.

 

[rinnaye]

I hate it when any person fulfills stereotypes - especially negative ones.

I feel as though a lot of black people follow very strong stereotypes under the guise of racial pride, when in actual fact it's a "cut off the nose to spite the face" type of scenario.

I also feel as though a lot of black people are angry - perhaps with reason - and that this is holding them back from achieving their potential. I don't believe that the world is as hard for them as they think, and that there are many opportunities which are missed because of each individual's (and the collective) perception of the situation and their negative response. I am not saying that the world is equal - we all know that's not true...What I'm saying is that we create our own reality. And that in this day and age, the systems are in place to allow any person to succeed if they want it badly enough.

I would point out that this is constructive criticism. I hate nothing more than a faltering minority. I want nothing more than an equal society where all can and do succeed. I say what I say with the purpose of highlighting issues which I believe can be rectified in order uplift the black community.

Dearest FEHG,

I like the way you put that! I couldn't have said any of this better myself. Only thing is, you're saying it, and you're white, which means many blacks may discredit it, coming out of your mouth, but this is something I would like to write a book on. This coming from a black man that has overcome those very obstacles that we say are holding us back. I'll either be praised for the book, or shot. lol

 

[Dex216]

People of all races should stop crying about race. I'm not worried about the past. I'm more focused on the present

 

[Juli3113]

I have to take a small exception to something FEHG said. You don't believe the world is as hard on them (blacks) as they think? How would you know? I was in a class not too long ago and the instructor (successful black man) asked if we thought conditions were better for blacks now. My answer was, how would I know? All I know is the world from my perspective, what I read, watch, hear etc. I'll never know what it's like to have someone cross the street to avoid me, or be afraid of me for no reason, or follow me around in a store because of the way I look. I would never presume, as a white person, to tell black Americans how they have it. They would have to tell me.

 

[rinnaye]

I have to take a small exception to something FEHG said. You don't believe the world is as hard on them (blacks) as they think? How would you know? I was in a class not too long ago and the instructor (successful black man) asked if we thought conditions were better for blacks now. My answer was, how would I know? All I know is the world from my perspective, what I read, watch, hear etc. I'll never know what it's like to have someone cross the street to avoid me, or be afraid of me for no reason, or follow me around in a store because of the way I look. I would never presume, as a white person, to tell black Americans how they have it. They would have to tell me.

Your point is both fair, and reasonable, but at the risk of seeming to come to FEHG's defense, may I say this? If you look at where blacks are socially today, compared to almost any other time, pre Civil Rights Movement, then it would be safe to say that what FEHG said is consistant with the facts. Afterall, we do now have a black President.

Her statement also speaks to what may be a very popular perception amongst many blacks, which also may be a negative one indeed, i.e. (the white man is holding me down), so once again, FEHG is spot on there as well.

... and finally, Just because she's white, does not mean she can't have her own opinion on this type of subject matter either.