scylla
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they don't learn to respect women enough. Thats all there is to it. They don't respect half of humanity and I loath it.
Another Negative Documentary By BW attacking BM
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they don't learn to respect women enough. Thats all there is to it. They don't respect half of humanity and I loath it.
Its sad that girl got killed, but she got killed in 1998, that is not the reason they made this documentary either. It was made as a thinly veiled attack on Black men and then they had to include that poor girl as a noble cause.
To Tinkerbell, white guys do holla quite rudely as well.There is a guy in my company who recently got sacked for underperfomance. But Prior to that this guy was constantly making comments about women to there faces in the office and no one ever said anything to him, till a muslim girl came along and put him in his place. And it wasnt just him there are a number of white men in the office who still do the same thing, the difference is if a bm in the office made the same crude remarks these guys constantly make I can guarantee you he would be disciplined and sacked straight away.
Does anyone really think sexual harassment laws were created because of black men? hell no. It was introduced because of the wonderful work the white male dominated corporate america did in respecting ww like you, you know? like making sexually inappropriate comments or unsolicited sexual advances, that sort of thing.
The black men who do holla rudely are idiots, however most of these guys will tell you that they feel that they cant go approaching a chick like a preppy geek so try and act cool and spit game in the street. But black men who approach women (wherever) with the preppy attitude will also tell you they get cussed out and then laughed at. Because bm who dont come with swagger and spit game are seen as not really being black or acting white and bw luv nothing better than to cuss out a preppy looking brotha.
Furthermore its not like all women hate being approached, I have seen countless occassions were brothers hollared and after 5 minutes of talking, swapping digits, they had sex, sometimes in the same day. In some cases longterm relationships has come out of it. And literally 2 months ago I was walking along and a girl grabbed me on the street she was a ww as well, and I specifically remember in july this year me and a couple of my boys were out and a black girl grabbed one of my boys. Should that turn into an excuse to stereotype one race? hell naw.
The Irony is if those same bw saw us hollaring at ww instead and not hollaring at them, they would propably make another video about how bm are not hollaring at them but hollaring at ww.
If all bw came together and said they dont want anyone to holla at them, then we would stick to that, but you will find one girl will say they hate it and another girl will be approached in the same manner with the exact same lines and will recipocrate the interest.
There are alot of factors that come into it, any one sided documentary is compromised and is lacking in credibility.
LUCIFERMORNINGSTAR
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And MAYBE the BW against this should change the behavior of those who encourage this (yep, they exist).
Bug
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Yep Sarah go to any town centre in the UK on a Fri & Sat, you will see a ton of White Boys doing the same thing, especially the squadies they are the worst, i once heard a white Irish guy go up to a girl in the street and go (have you got any Irish in ya?) girl goes no, no i dont, he goes (would you like some)
This is just another moan about whatever! tons of things to make a doc about, starving kids all sorts, not saying its right but all women of all colour endure this,
Its not all about them !!
Liquid Swords
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Yep Sarah go to any town centre in the UK on a Fri & Sat, you will see a ton of White Boys doing the same thing, especially the squadies they are the worst, i once heard a white Irish guy go up to a girl in the street and go (have you got any Irish in ya?) girl goes no, no i dont, he goes (would you like some)
This is just another moan about whatever! tons of things to make a doc about, starving kids all sorts, not saying its right but all women of all colour endure this,
Its not all about them !!
LOL that's cringeworthy! My big sister is away to marry a squaddie. She lives in Ipswich, when I go down to visit she warned me about them... apparently they're horny guys.
Maybe it's different in the UK... but white guys are definitely the most sleezy but you're right, I bet if guys stopped hollering at these stupid women they'd be upset. You can't win. I don't take in seriously, if a guy says something either I just keep walking and swing my hips with my head up or I'll laugh. It ain't a big deal. People need to CHILL the fuck out.
Bug
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LOL that's cringeworthy! My big sister is away to marry a squaddie. She lives in Ipswich, when I go down to visit she warned me about them... apparently they're horny guys.
Maybe it's different in the UK... but white guys are definitely the most sleezy but you're right, I bet if guys stopped hollering at these stupid women they'd be upset. You can't win. I don't take in seriously, if a guy says something either I just keep walking and swing my hips with my head up or I'll laugh. It ain't a big deal. People need to CHILL the fuck out.[/QUOTE]
I know i sound like a sexist man, but dont you just know when the men stop Hollerin at them, they will be all ( well thats because im black and they only holler at white girls now!) another doc to come i exspect
Chilll Oooooout lol Whassssupppp lol
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karmacoma.
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Haven't you heard? Women are blameless. It's all the fault of the horrible man. Especially the black man.
scylla
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I don't care what color an idiot has, it's still an idiot.
I'm sorry but this is just total bullshit. These women are taking on crap that men say and allowing it to get to them in a major way...give me a break. We can't control someone else's actions, we can only control ourselves and how we deal with things. Women who take on things that guys like this say are insecure. If you are overly sensitive and/or go looking for things you will find it. Because the guys are cat calling the women are feeling like hoe's? Oh please!
Black women aren't getting this any more than any other women. All this garbage about why this or that that these women on here are talking about...give me a break. Guys cat called them - big deal. If they are concerned about it...stay away from it. I mean look I don't have respect for guys who are fools at all...but it's not worth spending any energy on.
If this is something that is happening all the time and an issue for them, then it is when one needs to look at what the common denominators are in THEIR lives and what THEY are doing...rather than blaming everyone else.
Men approach me. Typically they are respectful and may say Hi there how is your day, or maybe - you're looking very nice today. It happens with a large group of men or when they are alone or just a couple of them. It's no different now than when I was young. Sure there may be the occasional idiot but I simply laugh to myself and keep it moving.
To say that white men don't cat call ...total bullshit. Again, it depends on the environment. I don't think this is a race issue...it's more of a socio-economic/class issue.
Oh and btw - I live in a rather diverse area. There are plenty of larger groups of black, white, Mexican, Asian, guys crossing my path. And I've watched - they typically aren't behaving any differently when they cross black women UNLESS the women are reacting/responding/bantering with them.
It's just not worth wasting time and energy on this sort of crap.
Black women aren't getting this any more than any other women. All this garbage about why this or that that these women on here are talking about...give me a break. Guys cat called them - big deal. If they are concerned about it...stay away from it. I mean look I don't have respect for guys who are fools at all...but it's not worth spending any energy on.
If this is something that is happening all the time and an issue for them, then it is when one needs to look at what the common denominators are in THEIR lives and what THEY are doing...rather than blaming everyone else.
Men approach me. Typically they are respectful and may say Hi there how is your day, or maybe - you're looking very nice today. It happens with a large group of men or when they are alone or just a couple of them. It's no different now than when I was young. Sure there may be the occasional idiot but I simply laugh to myself and keep it moving.
To say that white men don't cat call ...total bullshit. Again, it depends on the environment. I don't think this is a race issue...it's more of a socio-economic/class issue.
Oh and btw - I live in a rather diverse area. There are plenty of larger groups of black, white, Mexican, Asian, guys crossing my path. And I've watched - they typically aren't behaving any differently when they cross black women UNLESS the women are reacting/responding/bantering with them.
It's just not worth wasting time and energy on this sort of crap.
JamalSpunky
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Maybe but this movie isn't likley to make money either. Not in theaters. Perhaps it'll pick up some bucks in rentals or on the Essence cruises, that is unless the bootleg copies spread too quickly.
If the filmmaker(s) was/were smart they would have made the film (with some tongue-in-cheek humor to boot) about ALL women who have to go through this. In other words spread the wealth amongst women of all races because no one race is immune. Broaden the audience. But in typical fashion black women always make things about themselves and how they alone suffer. It made me think of something I noticed years ago: its funny how white men and women, Hispanic men and women, Asian men and women and black men can often write novels in which a protagonist is of a different race than them and/or a different sex than them. But 99.5% of the protagonists of novels by black female authors are black females.
Anyway so many men disrespect women like this on the street it isn't even funny but only a black chick would think its only women like her who get this type of treatment or only black women would put such a narrow scope on who's actually being affected. Hell, no one is as out in the open with oggling and calling out to women passing by as some of the Latino guys I've seen. Those fellas are ballsy.
I disagree. I never seen the things in predominately white neighborhoods that I have seen in predominately black neighborhoods. Just look at the difference in the billboards and advertisements. Black women get much more disrespect than we have to put up with.
The difference of what I saw (and experienced) on the streets while living in W. Oakland vs San Francisco was staggering. But what do I know...
I think you misunderstood me...or I wasn't clear enough. My point was about environment. I don't think a white woman gets it any less than a black woman in the same location/environment. I won't say it's predominately black neighborhoods. I will stick to it being more about socio-economic/class issue than a race issue. There are good neighborhoods that are predominately black that you do NOT see that type of activity in. If you go to bad neighborhoods that are predominately white or Hispanic you see similar behavior towards ALL women.
A white/asian/hispanic woman in a really bad area of Oakland is going to get the same crap as a black woman in the same location.
I got more crap in Oakland than in San Francisco, but it never came close to the crap the black women got in Oakland. There is still some stigma in harassing white women because the police will take our word most times.
I do agree that poorer neighborhoods are worse off.
I do agree that poorer neighborhoods are worse off.
Interesting - sometimes I think that white women may get it more when they are in areas where they would stand out more. But then it just depends. I spent a good deal of time in the south side of Chicago in some really bad neighborhoods and was never mistreated in anyway....I was heavily warned but never witnessed anything other than hard stares and even with that when I smiled it would usually end any of that. Rough areas in Sacramento (which are now rivaling some of the bad areas of LA in terms of crime) Fresno, and the bay area...I've seen quite a bit of those who will go out of their way to harass women who they don't normally see in their areas. So if it's a heavily Hispanic area they may bother the white/asian/black women. If it's a heavily black area maybe they are more apt to bother white/asian/hispanic women.
My main complaint with the clip is with women who are blaming everything on those around them. If they are having self esteem issues or taking on opinions, thoughts, feelings about themselves that's their own doing. If they are feeling poorly about themselves, that's not coming from a bunch of idiots cat calling them.
Tinkerbell
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Unsolicited sexual advances in the work place is wrong, but I said White guys can be just as rude, they just do it different. (I am not excusing it, it's just a different form of harassment.) Very different from having some complete stranger of an idiot holler at you from the street, with rude gestures and comments.
Well it may work for some, but unfortunately not for most of us, I do see your side of the issue though here, and those guys have an uphill battle, but it would be better if they had some good Fatherly advice on how to properly approach a lady.
Well, ladies of all colors do like to complain about something, it's our prerogative you know.
I doubt it!
See, that's the problem, some do encourage it, like tonytony said.
Really? I am not insecure, overly sensitive nor do I go looking for things, I still really hate having a guy act that way around me. Men who supposedly don't like rejection, used to get killer hate looks from me when they did this.
There you go, stereotyping women who get hollered at. We didn't DO anything, accept of course walk down the street dressed modestly and professionally in front of a bunch of idiots.
Well, thank God some women don't have to put up with the crap, that some of us do.
You may be right about that, but where I live, and in my experience they don't.
Doesn't anyone with a victim mentality, that includes a lot of minorities. Even some of the black men on this site, I've heard it.
See, that may be my main problem, because I am surrounded by Mexican's here and they are horrible about it. If any ww wants to know what it feels like just take a day trip to any Mexican border tourist town and you will notice it. It is fun for a day or so for some, but it gets old when it happens all the time your whole life through.
Serendipity
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Yeah I get that but I don't know why take it seriously. I just walk by and that's it. It doesn't effect me negatively in any way. Sometimes its an ego boost even.
You know that if these women would walk by and get nothing they'd start thinking well maybe I'm not looking my best today or whatever. Yeah I'll admit that has crossed my mind, its like what's going on. In some way its flattering, depending on what is said ofcourse but I've never had any crude remarks made towards me. Even then, I'd walk by, no response in these situations is the best response.
What does it matter what these men "think" of the women ? If they think they're easy so be it. Seriously I think women are making too much of a big deal out of nothing.
co-sign.
Sorry Tink I'm not good with the quoting as you are.
The bottom line is this...if you have something going on repeatedly in your life that you do not like...do something about it. Stop complaining, whining, blaming and expecting others to act differently. We have NO control over what they do...only over our own actions and reactions. So if you don't like it - do something about it. Obviously this is not something that happens in all areas.
I stand by my statements. If someone allows what others have to say about them to tear them down then it's their own issues. Idiots out there hollering things have NO significant impact on anyone...unless they allow it. And guess what...if they weren't getting any reactions...they would stop doing it. (I'm talking generally overall not about you specifically)
The bottom line is this...if you have something going on repeatedly in your life that you do not like...do something about it. Stop complaining, whining, blaming and expecting others to act differently. We have NO control over what they do...only over our own actions and reactions. So if you don't like it - do something about it. Obviously this is not something that happens in all areas.
I stand by my statements. If someone allows what others have to say about them to tear them down then it's their own issues. Idiots out there hollering things have NO significant impact on anyone...unless they allow it. And guess what...if they weren't getting any reactions...they would stop doing it. (I'm talking generally overall not about you specifically)
Tink ~ My comment that you quoted and said there I go stereotyping women who get hollered at....you took out of context.
I'm not stereotyping women who get hollered at, ALL women get hollered at. I was talking about how they internalize it and let it effect their lives. That's their own issue not anyone else's.
I'm not stereotyping women who get hollered at, ALL women get hollered at. I was talking about how they internalize it and let it effect their lives. That's their own issue not anyone else's.
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I actually got protected when I lived in Oakland. When I went into the check cashing spot to cash my payroll check, the minute they saw me standing in line they would call me to a side room cash my check and send me out the back door. I was really naive at the time, 21, 22 or 23, and thought I must have had a really large pay check and that is why they were doing it. Knowing what I do today, I know they were protecting me.
I use to have a problem with drunks and druggies sleeping in my car. More than once while trying to get them out so I could go to work, a stranger passing on the street would stop and help. All the while chiding them, "what you doing in this nice ladies car".
I think what I didnt realize at the time is they were looking out for the neighborhood by looking out for me. If something would have happened to me there would have been hell to pay.