Ginuwine's "Last Chance"

How could two artists like Usher and R. Kell squeeze him out? What, there wasn't room for THREE black male crooners in R&B??? Not rock n' roll or pop, freakin' R&B which is afterall dominated by black musicians/singers, right? This makes me recall an online article this past summer or last spring about whether there was room for both Usher and Chris Brown. Damn, I thought, only one male negro at a time?
 
JamalSpunky said:
How could two artists like Usher and R. Kell squeeze him out? What, there wasn't room for THREE black male crooners in R&B??? Not rock n' roll or pop, freakin' R&B which is afterall dominated by black musicians/singers, right? This makes me recall an online article this past summer or last spring about whether there was room for both Usher and Chris Brown. Damn, I thought, only one male negro at a time?
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Well, the music game is kinda like that. Only one big star at a time in any given genre. I can't really think of another huge R&B star besides Mary J. Blige. I mean straight-up R&B, not pop crossover like Mariah. There was a big deluge of single women artists after Aaliyah's death (Tweet, Mya, Amerie, etc.), only one (Ciara) seems to have made it big. Something to ponder.
 
Damn. I remember "Pony" was my shit back in 2nd grade. And "So Anxious" was blowing the hell up on The Box back in the day. Eh, everybody falls off sooner or later.
 
Wake me when the black community produces another Sly, Stevie, or Prince.
 
karmacoma. said:
Well, the music game is kinda like that. Only one big star at a time in any given genre. I can't really think of another huge R&B star besides Mary J. Blige. I mean straight-up R&B, not pop crossover like Mariah. There was a big deluge of single women artists after Aaliyah's death (Tweet, Mya, Amerie, etc.), only one (Ciara) seems to have made it big. Something to ponder.
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The real reason why there aren't multiple R&B stars is because R&B has taken a back seat to C-rap music. As far as I am concerned most rap today is complete trash for the most part. I know a few heads here are into Wayne, that's ok you can have him, he's barely mediocre but that's just me. I'll peek back at rap when it returns to this......

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Or............

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Rap.........SUCKS today
 
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Malik True said:
The real reason why there aren't multiple R&B stars is because R&B has taken a back seat to C-rap music. As far as I am concerned most rap today is complete trash for the most part. I know a few heads here are into Wayne, that's ok you can have him, he's barely mediocre but that's just me. I'll peak back to rap when, it backs to this......

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Hip-hop head, or not, wayne sucks. Radio is garbage. You gotta dig deep for good music these days. Well, not really. You just gotta turn off the radio.
 
karmacoma. said:
Well, the music game is kinda like that. Only one big star at a time in any given genre. I can't really think of another huge R&B star besides Mary J. Blige. I mean straight-up R&B, not pop crossover like Mariah. There was a big deluge of single women artists after Aaliyah's death (Tweet, Mya, Amerie, etc.), only one (Ciara) seems to have made it big. Something to ponder.
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What are you talking about? In EVERY genre there is enough room for MULTIPLE stars of the same sex to exist at one time. Pop. Country. Rock 'n Roll. R&B has this rule as well when it comes to females at least. To say that only Mary J Blige and/or Ciara were the only ones during recent years is nonsense. There are so many R&B divas out there I can't count them all. And I disagree with the notion you have to discount any that cross over into pop. If those ladies are still selling loads of music to the R&B audiences that means they are still big stars in the R&B market. Even though the market probably can't take at once 20 or more young R&B divas who are chosen as much for their looks as they are for their talent, the music industry still hasn't tired of trying to create like a dozen new black female stars (more and more from England) every year. And there's the difference. The industry actually cares about creating black female singers, meanwhile its effort to groom new black male singers is dismal at best. When Soul muisc was at its peak (probably late sixties through mid 70s) there were easily around a dozen or more black male singers around that time who would dominate the charts. And there were even more at the level of a Ginuwine who produced , like him, a couple of big chart hits. And that doesn't even include the endless number of black male singing groups who arguably drove the soul music industry. Now what do you have? Nothing. And it shows in terms of quality muisc.

I'm sorry but I just can't get past the point about one star at a time. In all seriousness where did you ever hear that? A genre of American music that only has one star of each sex at the time is a dismal genre (artistically and financially speaking). When the American MusicAwards came around and put together people's choice categories in which the fans voted between four or five candidates for stuff such as "Best male Country Performer", that was because there were typically at least five male stars popular enough to get mentioned who produced work that year. And that didn't count the few who could have just missed being included on the ballot and the other stars who didn't produce any work that year. AMA did this for all the major music categories (pop, soul, country, rock, etc). Now one could argue that two categories that can be gotten rid of (if they haven't been already) are Best Female Rock Performer and Best Male R & B Performer. The female rock perfomer has never been a big deal because just like with rap, rock (true rock) has been a hard to crack by female singers. But black male singers had always had a dominant role in R&B until probably sometime in the 90s. And it seems to keep getting progressively worse.
 
Brotha Ajax said:
Hip-hop head, or not, wayne sucks. Radio is garbage. You gotta dig deep for good music these days. Well, not really. You just gotta turn off the radio.
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Ajax

The game has changed BIG Tyme. I'm a wee bit older than you and when rap hit the scene you listened to the radio to hear the nu nu different shyte now you have scour the net for mix-tapes to catch new stuff. There's no originality anymore rap is commerce.

Tribe was different than Wu, Kane was different than Rakim, Biz was different than the Fat Boys and Run DMC wasn't Whoudini...
All these niccas today are the same shyte......
Most young heads today never heard of Black moon's I got ya opin
SAD.......
 
Malik True said:
Ajax

The game has changed BIG Tyme. I'm a wee bit older than you and when rap hit the scene you listened to the radio to hear the nu nu different shyte now you have scour the net for mix-tapes to catch new stuff. There's no originality anymore rap is commerce.

Tribe was different than Wu, Kane was different than Rakim, Biz was different than the Fat Boys and Run DMC wasn't Whoudini...
All these niccas today are the same shyte......
Most young heads today never heard of Black moon's I got ya opin
SAD.......
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Too true. Same cookie cutter music. Same candy ass beats. Same lyrical subjects. Rappers today don't even use punchlines, and when the do, it's mad corny, or been said years before. "I got so much ice around my neck, my neck is frozen". "So much ice, I can skate on it." Only time I listen to new music, is when it's from an old school rapper. Most recent shit I have in my collection is WC's Guilty By Affiliation(2007), Paris/Public Enemy's "Rebirth of a Nation" (2006), and Paris' "Acid Reflex" (2008). Everything else is Chronic 2001 and earlier.

Back in the golden era, like you said, each dude was different. That's why it's my favorite era of hip-hop, along with the G-Funk era, and the original school hip-hop with the late 70s and early 80s music.
 
satyricon said:
Wake me when the black community produces another Sly, Stevie, or Prince.
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Or Marvin...or Otis...or Sam...or Don (Hathaway)...or Bobby (Womack)...or Al...or Barry...or Lou...or James...or Smokey....or Ray

Hell, I miss MJ at this point. And I'll take some corny "Dancing on the Ceiling" by Lionel Ritchie right now too. I'm desperate.

Terence Trent D'Arby is a god compared to the current crop for goodness sakes.

And give me some more diversity with guys like Lenny and Corey Glover (Living Colour), Jimi, Darius Rucker, Eagle Eye Cherry, Seal, Ben Harper, Roland Giftetc.

Not a damn Rick James in sight.

Shit, how about someone as relatively insignificant as Jesse Johnson. I may have been too young to appreciate at the time but I'l take this song over anything that Chris Brown ever did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv_V2cFpi1o


Too bad D'Angelo fucked up his career.

Mawell's "Urban Hang Suite" was perhaps the ebst R&B album of the 90s. Its a shame he went...uh...all weird.

Craig David had a D'Arby-like quality to his work and its a shame that more American producers didn't reach out and work with him.


The one dude I could not stand? Luther. :-(
 
JamalSpunky said:
Or Marvin...or Otis...or Sam...or Don (Hathaway)...or Bobby (Womack)...or Al...or Barry...or Lou...or James...or Smokey....or Ray

Hell, I miss MJ at this point. And I'll take some corny "Dancing on the Ceiling" by Lionel Ritchie right now too. I'm desperate.

Terence Trent D'Arby is a god compared to the current crop for goodness sakes.

And give me some more diversity with guys like Lenny and Corey Glover (Living Colour), Jimi, Darius Rucker, Eagle Eye Cherry, Seal, Ben Harper, Roland Giftetc.

Not a damn Rick James in sight.

Shit, how about someone as relatively insignificant as Jesse Johnson. I may have been too young to appreciate at the time but I'l take this song over anything that Chris Brown ever did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv_V2cFpi1o


Too bad D'Angelo fucked up his career.

Mawell's "Urban Hang Suite" was perhaps the ebst R&B album of the 90s. Its a shame he went...uh...all weird.

Craig David had a D'Arby-like quality to his work and its a shame that more American producers didn't reach out and work with him.


The one dude I could not stand? Luther. :-(
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Now to butt in but how come no female names? I can think of a few...
D'Angelo, is that the guy who did a "Cruisin" remix? That was hot.
 
JamalSpunky said:
Same goddamn fucking videoes too. There is little artistic growth of the music of the folks that get all the airtime.
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That too. I'm wonder how many videos will take place in their hood, with their boys from their block and the video hos, with money falling, rented cars with video hos dancing around them, and blingin' chains being pushed through the camera lenses so we can see, because we didn't get a good 50 second look before. Oh, and you can't forget the Cristal/Remy/Hennessey/any other expensive liquor them corny ass rappers love drinking.
 
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