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It looks like in the UK, the girls are aloud to to this without catching a bunch of flack from the rest of the nation.Damn...all of the chicks in Girls Aloud are either married (Cheryl Tweedy-Cole) or dating bruhs. We got the whole group!
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It looks like in the UK, the girls are aloud to to this without catching a bunch of flack from the rest of the nation.
It seems like it's a trade-off comparing the two countries on being progressive & on IR's. On one hand I would agree that the UK seems to be more open about IR relationships than we are here but, as far as numbers of blacks in particular being officials of the government, in entertainment/media, and even sports it seems that we do better over here. This is a point that was well stated by the Brits when the Obamas went to London for the G20. They said that Britain is no where near having anyone like them as of yet.
It seems like it's a trade-off comparing the two countries on being progressive & on IR's. On one hand I would agree that the UK seems to be more open about IR relationships than we are here but, as far as numbers of blacks in particular being officials of the government, in entertainment/media, and even sports it seems that we do better over here. This is a point that was well stated by the Brits when the Obamas went to London for the G20. They said that Britain is no where near having anyone like them as of yet.
Go to any major city here and nobody bats an eyelid at an IR couple.
Hmm, I have to disagree with you a little bit there.
From what I've seen on this forum and from what I've heard from my American friends, I do think that Britain is much more acceptant when it comes to IR relationship. Go to any major city here and nobody bats an eyelid at an IR couple. England isn't free of racism at all unfortunately but we ARE more open about interracial relationships.
We do have influencial black people in our media and ESPECIALLY in our sports, but you are right about politics. But we also don't have ANY influencial women politicians either (I wouldn't count Jackie Smith as influencial, for the record!). British politics are stuck in this old conservative regime and every single politician from every single party is exactly the same. I admire American politics because you're actually moving forward.
Otherwise though, I do think that we're much more open to IR relationships. People just don't make as much of a big deal over it here as they do in America.
There are black millionaires from a wide spectrum and if black America were a seperate nation, it'd be the 16th wealthiest nation in the world, with its GDP roughly the same as, say, Italy.
Good postThis US vs UK issue is a very contemplating one. My moms used to live in London until she met my dad (he went to grad school in London School of Economics) and so she knows the UK well, as i do too.
On issues of social relevance and culture, Britain is a much more liberal/progressive society. That includes interracial and cross-cultural relationships and marriage. Interracial dating, even BM/WW relationships, do not attract the spite, hostility, suspicion and downright disgust that it does in some quarters of the United States. This is not to suggest that everything is all hunky-dory on that front, but it seems that the British (and Europeans in general) are willing to see interracial couples for what they are - just another couple. Nothing more, nothing less. Apparently, almost 50% of black men in the United Kingdom are either dating, married to or living with white women.
Having said that, black Britons have not made anywhere near the amount of progress black Americans have made. Keep in mind that blacks have been in Britain for a much longer period than blacks in America, which dates as far back as the 14th century. The slave trade in Western Europe, as students of history probably know, started much earlier than the American slave trade and as such, lasted for much longer. In the United States, there is an expanding and lasting black middle class, consisting of lawyers, doctors, teachers, businesspeople and other professionals. There are scores of black athletes, actors, media personalities and CEOs of Fortune 500 companies - not to mention, the most prominent executive officer in the entire free world, Pres. Barack Obama, is partly of African ancestry. There are black millionaires from a wide spectrum and if black America were a seperate nation, it'd be the 16th wealthiest nation in the world, with its GDP roughly the same as, say, Italy. Despite the amount of work still needed to be done, America boasts a vibrant black presence and persuasion rivaled by no other nation, including Nigeria, the most populous black nation.
Sadly, the same cannot be said for Britain. There are not very many media personalities in England. Despite the fact that black players account for 25% of the Premier League, there is not a single black manager in the English football ("soccer") premiership. The first (and only so far) black manager, Paul Ince, lasted for no more than 4 months before getting the pink slip. There isn't a noticeable black middle class as there is in the United States. You can count on two hands the amount of blacks in prominent positions in government, including the House of Commons. Blacks now make up more than 15% of the military and there are many in leadership positions - Colin Powell was Chairman of the Joints Chief of Staff from 1989 - 1993. There are no Oprah Winfreys, Denzel Washingtons, Tiger Woodses, Michael Jordans, P Diddys and even Barack Obamas in England. Nada!
Put simply, America, for all intents and purposes, still remains the best hopes for blacks. Now i am not unaware of the struggles blacks (and even some whites and others) have taken to secure at least the presumption of equality in the United States, but no country has done more to live up to its ideals of freedom (at least, in its most basic form) and redeem itself of its evil past than the good ol' U.S.A. We may not have reached the tolerance levels that some (including myself may prefer), but i'd rather be stared at because of who i'm dating whilst keeping my wealth than live in a country where people let you date their daughters but won't do business with you.
And that includes England.
This US vs UK issue is a very contemplating one. My moms used to live in London until she met my dad (he went to grad school in London School of Economics) and so she knows the UK well, as i do too.
On issues of social relevance and culture, Britain is a much more liberal/progressive society. That includes interracial and cross-cultural relationships and marriage. Interracial dating, even BM/WW relationships, do not attract the spite, hostility, suspicion and downright disgust that it does in some quarters of the United States. This is not to suggest that everything is all hunky-dory on that front, but it seems that the British (and Europeans in general) are willing to see interracial couples for what they are - just another couple. Nothing more, nothing less. Apparently, almost 50% of black men in the United Kingdom are either dating, married to or living with white women.
Having said that, black Britons have not made anywhere near the amount of progress black Americans have made. Keep in mind that blacks have been in Britain for a much longer period than blacks in America, which dates as far back as the 14th century. The slave trade in Western Europe, as students of history probably know, started much earlier than the American slave trade and as such, lasted for much longer. In the United States, there is an expanding and lasting black middle class, consisting of lawyers, doctors, teachers, businesspeople and other professionals. There are scores of black athletes, actors, media personalities and CEOs of Fortune 500 companies - not to mention, the most prominent executive officer in the entire free world, Pres. Barack Obama, is partly of African ancestry. There are black millionaires from a wide spectrum and if black America were a seperate nation, it'd be the 16th wealthiest nation in the world, with its GDP roughly the same as, say, Italy. Despite the amount of work still needed to be done, America boasts a vibrant black presence and persuasion rivaled by no other nation, including Nigeria, the most populous black nation.
Sadly, the same cannot be said for Britain. There are not very many media personalities in England. Despite the fact that black players account for 25% of the Premier League, there is not a single black manager in the English football ("soccer") premiership. The first (and only so far) black manager, Paul Ince, lasted for no more than 4 months before getting the pink slip. There isn't a noticeable black middle class as there is in the United States. You can count on two hands the amount of blacks in prominent positions in government, including the House of Commons. Blacks now make up more than 15% of the military and there are many in leadership positions - Colin Powell was Chairman of the Joints Chief of Staff from 1989 - 1993. There are no Oprah Winfreys, Denzel Washingtons, Tiger Woodses, Michael Jordans, P Diddys and even Barack Obamas in England. Nada!
Put simply, America, for all intents and purposes, still remains the best hopes for blacks. Now i am not unaware of the struggles blacks (and even some whites and others) have taken to secure at least the presumption of equality in the United States, but no country has done more to live up to its ideals of freedom (at least, in its most basic form) and redeem itself of its evil past than the good ol' U.S.A. We may not have reached the tolerance levels that some (including myself may prefer), but i'd rather be stared at because of who i'm dating whilst keeping my wealth than live in a country where people let you date their daughters but won't do business with you.
And that includes England.
pretty, Cheryl Cole is on another level though!
I appreciate your comments. One point of disagreement: England did not have slavery longer than the US. In fact, England outlawed importation and ultimately slavery earlier than the US - in the early 1800s and then in slavery itself in the 1830s - and actually policed the high seas and impounded slave ships to deter the slave trade. I'm not saying it was for noble reasons - it was probably more a function of realpolitik than anything else - but it is what it is. Brazil, on the other hand, was among the last to officially end it in the new world, during the 1880s.This US vs UK issue is a very contemplating one. My moms used to live in London until she met my dad (he went to grad school in London School of Economics) and so she knows the UK well, as i do too.
On issues of social relevance and culture, Britain is a much more liberal/progressive society. That includes interracial and cross-cultural relationships and marriage. Interracial dating, even BM/WW relationships, do not attract the spite, hostility, suspicion and downright disgust that it does in some quarters of the United States. This is not to suggest that everything is all hunky-dory on that front, but it seems that the British (and Europeans in general) are willing to see interracial couples for what they are - just another couple. Nothing more, nothing less. Apparently, almost 50% of black men in the United Kingdom are either dating, married to or living with white women.
Having said that, black Britons have not made anywhere near the amount of progress black Americans have made. Keep in mind that blacks have been in Britain for a much longer period than blacks in America, which dates as far back as the 14th century. The slave trade in Western Europe, as students of history probably know, started much earlier than the American slave trade and as such, lasted for much longer. In the United States, there is an expanding and lasting black middle class, consisting of lawyers, doctors, teachers, businesspeople and other professionals. There are scores of black athletes, actors, media personalities and CEOs of Fortune 500 companies - not to mention, the most prominent executive officer in the entire free world, Pres. Barack Obama, is partly of African ancestry. There are black millionaires from a wide spectrum and if black America were a seperate nation, it'd be the 16th wealthiest nation in the world, with its GDP roughly the same as, say, Italy. Despite the amount of work still needed to be done, America boasts a vibrant black presence and persuasion rivaled by no other nation, including Nigeria, the most populous black nation.
Sadly, the same cannot be said for Britain. There are not very many media personalities in England. Despite the fact that black players account for 25% of the Premier League, there is not a single black manager in the English football ("soccer") premiership. The first (and only so far) black manager, Paul Ince, lasted for no more than 4 months before getting the pink slip. There isn't a noticeable black middle class as there is in the United States. You can count on two hands the amount of blacks in prominent positions in government, including the House of Commons. Blacks now make up more than 15% of the military and there are many in leadership positions - Colin Powell was Chairman of the Joints Chief of Staff from 1989 - 1993. There are no Oprah Winfreys, Denzel Washingtons, Tiger Woodses, Michael Jordans, P Diddys and even Barack Obamas in England. Nada!
Put simply, America, for all intents and purposes, still remains the best hopes for blacks. Now i am not unaware of the struggles blacks (and even some whites and others) have taken to secure at least the presumption of equality in the United States, but no country has done more to live up to its ideals of freedom (at least, in its most basic form) and redeem itself of its evil past than the good ol' U.S.A. We may not have reached the tolerance levels that some (including myself may prefer), but i'd rather be stared at because of who i'm dating whilst keeping my wealth than live in a country where people let you date their daughters but won't do business with you.
And that includes England.
I appreciate your comments. One point of disagreement: England did not have slavery longer than the US. In fact, England outlawed importation and ultimately slavery earlier than the US - in the early 1800s and then in slavery itself in the 1830s - and actually policed the high seas and impounded slave ships to deter the slave trade. I'm not saying it was for noble reasons - it was probably more a function of realpolitik than anything else - but it is what it is. Brazil, on the other hand, was among the last to officially end it in the new world, during the 1880s.