What is "traditional marriage?"

I've seen other stats that said different, but I'll concede that point. If the majority of Americans poll that way, fine. It won't be that way long -- like other types of bigotry, it will take it's place in history, where it belongs, soon enough.


...And the evidence for that is here:


Younger Americans have typically been much more supportive of same-sex marriage than older Americans, and that is the case in the current poll. A majority of 18- to 29-year-olds think gay or lesbian couples should be allowed to legally marry, while support reaches only as high as 40% among the three older age groups.
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This is interesting as well, apparently the majority of Americans do not support your view that all civil rights for gay people is wrong:


Americans also show broad support for gay rights in the following areas:

Sixty-seven percent say gay and lesbian domestic partners should have access to health insurance and other employee benefits.
Nearly three in four Americans, 73%, believe gay and lesbian domestic partners should have inheritance rights.
Sixty-seven percent favor a proposal to expand hate-crime laws to cover crimes committed against gays or lesbians.
Only 28% of Americans believe that gays or lesbians should not be hired as elementary school teachers. Sixty-nine percent believe they should be allowed to teach children.
Americans are somewhat less supportive of adoption rights for gay couples, though a majority (54%) still support this.
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I don't know why you bother to post that. I've said repeatedly that I believe gay rights to be a civil rights struggle, the only reason I can think that you post that is to get me not to say what I obviously believe. It doesn't work.
 
The real face of the "gay lobby":

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"We love each other; we have similar interests. Our lives were very similar even before we met."
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"For all of Del's life, she was an activist and organizer even before we knew what those terms meant," Kendell said. "Her last act of public activism was her most personal: marrying the love of her life after 55 years.

"In the wake of losing her, we recognize with heightened clarity the most poignant and responsible way to honor her legacy is to preserve the right of marriage for same-sex couples, thereby providing the dignity and respect that Del and Phyllis' love deserved."
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/27/lesbian.activist.dies/index.html



Doesn't sound at all to me like:

"Hey, guess what America? I like to have sex with other men. Now, give me some civil rights based on that fact and that fact alone, goddammit or you're discriminating against me!"
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Does it sound that way to you?
 
CBQ said:
That doesn't make any sense at all. Civil rights aren't products in a store.
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Don't tell me, tell them:

Gays decry Obama's stand on gay marriage case
By LINDA DEUTSCH and LISA LEFF – 21 hours ago

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Gay rights groups expressed dismay with the Obama administration Friday over its championing of the Defense of Marriage Act

The government filed a motion late Thursday to dismiss the case of Arthur Smelt and Christopher Hammer, who are challenging the 1996 federal act. The law prevents couples in states that recognize same-sex unions from securing Social Security spousal benefits, filing joint taxes and other federal rights of marriage.

U.S. Department of Justice lawyers argued that the act...would infringe on the rights of taxpayers in the 30 states that specifically prohibit same-sex marriages.



http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hVLXVV6bmG_wjIN5b_AzLQvPaKiwD98PFONG2
 
Sir Nose said:
Don't tell me, tell them:

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Gay rights groups expressed dismay with the Obama administration Friday over its championing of the Defense of Marriage Act

The government filed a motion late Thursday to dismiss the case of Arthur Smelt and Christopher Hammer, who are challenging the 1996 federal act. The law prevents couples in states that recognize same-sex unions from securing Social Security spousal benefits, filing joint taxes and other federal rights of marriage.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hVLXVV6bmG_wjIN5b_AzLQvPaKiwD98PFONG2
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Exactly. They did not demand rights until they were DENIED to them. You don't just go around saying "Hmm, I think I'll go out and get some rights", you try to live your life as your parents and your siblings and your friends and associates and fellow Americans do, and you are DENIED the ability to do so.

There is only ever a civil rights struggle when those rights are being DENIED to someone.
 
Sir Nose said:
Who will be the next group of sexual deviants to "demand" benefits previously unreceived, and unsupported by taxpayers? What a false sense of entitlement.
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The word you are looking for is equality, not entitlement, and it's not at all false.

Btw, gay and lesbian people are not sexual deviants, but your insistence upon defining them soley upon what happens in their bedrooms makes your entire position look narrow and not very well thought out.
 
CBQ said:
Btw, gay and lesbian people are not sexual deviants, but your insistence upon defining them soley upon what happens in their bedrooms makes your entire position look narrow and not very well thought out.
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A constant denial of the obvious and a warped sense of entitlement on the part of the gay lobby is why President Obama and other Americans time and again refuse to equate same-sex partnerships with traditional marriage.
 
paraphilia
Sexual deviancy Psychiatry A mental disorder characterized by '…recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors generally involving, 1. nonhuman objects; 2. suffering or humiliation of oneself or one's partner; or 3. children or other non-consenting persons, that occur over a period of at ? 6 months…(causing) significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning; sexual excitement to the point of erection and/or orgasm, when the object of excitement is considered abnormal in the context of the practitioner's societal norms Formal paraphilias, per Am Psychiatric Assn Exhibitionism, fetishism, frotteurism, pedophilia, sexual masochism, sexual sadism, transvestic fetishism, voyeurism, paraphilia–not otherwise specified, a 'wastepaper basket' category Management Psychotherapy, antidepressants, progestins, antiandrogens, surgical castration, triptorelin.
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http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Sexual+deviance
 
Sir Nose said:
A constant denial of the obvious and a warped sense of entitlement on the part of the gay lobby is why President Obama and other Americans time and again refuse to equate same-sex partnerships with traditional marriage.
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And when the old people are gone, their children will live happily together, be they gay or straight, without any of of the above crazy talk.
 
Sir Nose said:
A constant denial of the obvious and a warped sense of entitlement on the part of the gay lobby is why President Obama and other Americans time and again refuse to equate same-sex partnerships with traditional marriage.
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Are you admitting that they are partnerships? I thought they were just sequential sexual encounters, judging by your rhetoric thus far.
 
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