Angry White Woman Syndrome?

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fly girl

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Still trying to find all the names of the Professors targeted by the white female professor in Alabama. But right now, it appears she targeted people of color. Two of the dead, an Indian man and an African American woman, but not sure of the rest. There is scant information right now,which I find strange.

News stories are claiming right now she was mad that she was denied tenure. So what if she targeted people of color because she believed she was passed over in favor of them? Not saying it is true, just a sneaking suspicion I have right now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/university-of-alabama-sho_n_460868.html
 
fly girl said:
Still trying to find all the names of the Professors targeted by the white female professor in Alabama. But right now, it appears she targeted people of color. Two of the dead, an Indian man and an African American woman, but not sure of the rest. There is scant information right now,which I find strange.

News stories are claiming right now she was mad that she was denied tenure. So what if she targeted people of color because she believed she was passed over in favor of them? Not saying it is true, just a sneaking suspicion I have right now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/university-of-alabama-sho_n_460868.html
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interesting hypothesis..

wouldn't be surprised if that was the case
 
The victims who died are 1 Indian man and 2 Black women. I read there are 3 victims who lived, no idea their ethnicity yet.
 
I doubt there was a racial motivation here. She just lost it and snapped and the people who were victim so happen to be non white. It wasn't like them being non white was the source of her snapping.
 
I think that if there is a racial angle, we will never hear about it. Already, all the media is reporting is the woman. Try to find a picture of the victims, it is hard as hell. But when the victims are white they are plastered all over the place. They is even more reporting on the shooter killing her brother (with pictures of him).

White victims make news for weeks, while non-white ones are side notes to the story.

But I still believe she targeted people of color even though she is being portrayed as a great white savior type.
 
fly girl said:
I think that if there is a racial angle, we will never hear about it. Already, all the media is reporting is the woman. Try to find a picture of the victims, it is hard as hell. But when the victims are white they are plastered all over the place. They is even more reporting on the shooter killing her brother (with pictures of him).

White victims make news for weeks, while non-white ones are side notes to the story.

But I still believe she targeted people of color even though she is being portrayed as a great white savior type.
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I agree that non white victims are systematically swept under the rug but in this case it seems like she was a crockpot. I think they're focusing on here more because she was a Harvard Grad genius that lost it and because women don't typically do these crimes.
 
I don't understand why race was even brought up in this case.

She targeted the people of her old department. That sounds like a more logical reason for her choice of targets than the color of their skin.
 
Bookworm616 said:
I don't understand why race was even brought up in this case.
She targeted the people of her old department. That sounds like a more logical reason for her choice of targets than the color of their skin.
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Because all 3 dead people are people of color at the hands of a white woman. Kinda hard to ignore it.

Personally, I have know white women who prided themselves on being "white saviors" who when things didnt go their way, turned very racist. One lady I have in mind has a few advanced degrees in things like social work, takes in black kids, even married the older brother of one of her foster kids. And when their marriage fell apart, first thing she did was turn racist. She told me she would call the cops on him and tell lies because the cops would believer her over a black man.

From the news reports that I have read, I see the potential in this woman.
 
fly girl said:
Because all 3 dead people are people of color at the hands of a white woman. Kinda hard to ignore it.

Personally, I have know white women who prided themselves on being "white saviors" who when things didnt go their way, turned very racist. One lady I have in mind has a few advanced degrees in things like social work, takes in black kids, even married the older brother of one of her foster kids. And when their marriage fell apart, first thing she did was turn racist. She told me she would call the cops on him and tell lies because the cops would believer her over a black man.

From the news reports that I have read, I see the potential in this woman.
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you're arguement makes no sense. So if I got fired and decided to shoot up the administration a killed two white people and two Hispanics would it be racist since I'm black or is it more likely they were the first ones I saw in my fit of rage. If this had purely a race thing why haven't any minority students complained about her unfair grading practices. People that are racist enough to kill because of race don't start with murder.
 
fly girl said:
Because all 3 dead people are people of color at the hands of a white woman. Kinda hard to ignore it.

Personally, I have know white women who prided themselves on being "white saviors" who when things didnt go their way, turned very racist. One lady I have in mind has a few advanced degrees in things like social work, takes in black kids, even married the older brother of one of her foster kids. And when their marriage fell apart, first thing she did was turn racist. She told me she would call the cops on him and tell lies because the cops would believer her over a black man.

From the news reports that I have read, I see the potential in this woman.
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I, too, have had the opportunity to observe "white saviors" very up close and personal and marvel at their duplicity. I also marveled at their level of comfort and association with blatant racists. It's funny how people trip over themselves trying to ignore what's right before their faces. All this cuts to the heart of what Dr. Jensen is referencing below.

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What does that mean? Perhaps most importantly, when I seek admission to a university, apply for a job, or hunt for an apartment, I don't look threatening. Almost all of the people evaluating me for those things look like me--they are white. They see in me a reflection of themselves, and in a racist world that is an advantage. I smile. I am white. I am one of them. I am not dangerous. Even when I voice critical opinions, I am cut some slack. After all, I'm white.


My flaws also are more easily forgiven because I am white. Some complain that affirmative action has meant the university is saddled with mediocre minority professors. I have no doubt there are minority faculty who are mediocre, though I don't know very many. As Henry Louis Gates Jr. once pointed out, if affirmative action policies were in place for the next hundred years, it's possible that at the end of that time the university could have as many mediocre minority professors as it has mediocre white professors. That isn't meant as an insult to anyone, but is a simple observation that white privilege has meant that scores of second-rate white professors have slid through the system because their flaws were overlooked out of solidarity based on race, as well as on gender, class and ideology.
Some people resist the assertions that the United States is still a bitterly racist society and that the racism has real effects on real people. But white folks have long cut other white folks a break. I know, because I am one of them.
 
porcelainsnowbird said:
I, too, have had the opportunity to observe "white saviors" very up close and personal and marvel at their duplicity. I also marveled at their level of comfort and association with blatant racists. It's funny how people trip over themselves trying to ignore what's right before their faces. All this cuts to the heart of what Dr. Jensen is referencing below.

***********800080]http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/freelance/whiteprivilege.htm[/COLOR]

What does that mean? Perhaps most importantly, when I seek admission to a university, apply for a job, or hunt for an apartment, I don't look threatening. Almost all of the people evaluating me for those things look like me--they are white. They see in me a reflection of themselves, and in a racist world that is an advantage. I smile. I am white. I am one of them. I am not dangerous. Even when I voice critical opinions, I am cut someugh I don't know very many. As Henry Louis Gates Jr. once pointed out, if affirmative action policies were in place for the next hundred years, it's possible that at the end of that time the university could have as many mediocreThat isn't meant as an insult to anyone, but is a simple observation that white privilege has meant that scores of second-rate white professors have slid through the system because their flaws were overlooked out of solidarity based on race,


I could seriously kiss you for this post because far too many white people act like racism doesn't exist and ir can make you feel like you're going crazy. I've even had long term white gfs who tell me it's all int head. I'm happy to see someone confirm what is usually so hard to prove.
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I agree with you porcelinesnowbird. People like that are so vested in being the benevolent savior that they take all their self worth from how others see them. And when others do not acknowledge their importance, they snap. If a minority doesnt acknowledge their supreme benevolence, they completely loose it. "how dare that ________ not acknowledge how important I am to their people", they seem to believe.

Which in my humble opinion explains what Andre was asking. How could someone not get complaints from minority students prior to killing the minority faculty? Because maybe they saw themselves as the savior of the poor little minority kids on campus. Their whole belief system was based on the non-white kids being less than and needing the white saviors help. And as long as they were allowed to play their role, the real beliefs never came out.

I could be wrong, but it is just the vibe I am getting from the story. What is being said was she was an advocate, a liberal and an elitist. It isnt a huge stretch to believe she saw herself as a white savior. Hope I am wrong but over the years I have known way too many people like that.
 
fly girl said:
I agree with you porcelinesnowbird. People like that are so vested in being the benevolent savior that they take all their self worth from how others see them. And when others do not acknowledge their importance, they snap. If a minority doesnt acknowledge their supreme benevolence, they completely loose it. "how dare that ________ not acknowledge how important I am to their people", they seem to believe.

Which in my humble opinion explains what Andre was asking. How could someone not get complaints from minority students prior to killing the minority faculty? Because maybe they saw themselves as the savior of the poor little minority kids on campus. Their whole belief system was based on the non-white kids being less than and needing the white saviors help. And as long as they were allowed to play their role, the real beliefs never came out.

I could be wrong, but it is just the vibe I am getting from the story. What is being said was she was an advocate, a liberal and an elitist. It isnt a huge stretch to believe she saw herself as a white savior. Hope I am wrong but over the years I have known way too many people like that.
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It appears one of the surviving victims is of Mexican descent:

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To begin with, I am from the South and wanted to let you know that from the "git-go". This attempt to portray Dr. Bishop's actions as being political in nature are truly wrong, especially when considering the victims and the families involved. As an aside, I have interacted with several of the victims in a professional capacity. Let's review the carnage...Dr. Podila, originally from India, Chair of the Biology Department at UAH. Drs. Ragland-Davis and Johnson, both African-American. Dr. Cruz-Vera (who did survive), originally from Mexico. I am personally not familiar with the other two victims, so I will not comment.

My question for Gawker is this...Why did you even begin to attempt to portray this as crime of a difference in political ideology? It appears that this is probably more about race rather than politics. Because of the locale where this occurred, you made a very baseless assumption that is more in the vein of the Weekly World rather than a more reputable organization. Indeed, you made a mad leap in grabbing at straws with the stereotypical mindset of someone that has obviously never visited Huntsville. Sorry, this is piss-poor journalism at its worse....and each of the victims and their families deserve much better than this.
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I find those who subscribe to this savior mentality are actually uncomfortable interacting with non-whites who do not fit certain stereotypes, so it's not unusal for them to react in insidious/hostile ways. One told me how confusing it was to learn how talented and astute another employee was and asked "I wonder what else is she 'tricking' me about"??? I always believed she was upset this woman never acknowledged her photos and placques attesting to her record of helping the downtrodden. Yet she had no problem with another female employee describing how glad she was that black boys are having problems being placed for adoption...and it goes on and on...
 
Bookworm616 said:
Nowhere in this article does it mention race as a possible motive:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100214/ap_on_re_us/us_ala_university_shooting

Maybe it's truly just about the fact that she was denied tenure and couldn't handle that rejection.
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Maybe diversity is such now that when somebody decides to go on a rampage, the people who just happen to be in the way are people of color. If this was 25-30 years ago, it would have been white men in the line of fire because whites used to have those jobs a lot more.
 
karmacoma. said:
Maybe diversity is such now that when somebody decides to go on a rampage, the people who just happen to be in the way are people of color. If this was 25-30 years ago, it would have been white men in the line of fire because whites used to have those jobs a lot more.
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Cosign
 
On the other hand, the media has had no interest at all in the question of race, although Bishop shot almost every non-white faculty member in the department. (She also shot and wounded two white victims, a professor and a staff member.) She killed both African-American professors in the department (one of whom was too junior to have had anything to do with Bishop's tenure decision). She killed the department chair, who was ethnically South Asian. A Latino faculty member was wounded. There may only be two non-white faculty left in the department. Whether she intended it or not, Amy Bishop effected a racial purge of the Alabama Huntsville biology department. But the press isn't interested in asking whether or not she intended it. Perhaps the question isn't exotic enough.


These murders are not about tenure. They are about Amy Bishop's moral failings. Those failings might or might not include racism. But a person who responds to a career setback by cold-bloodedly murdering three people, and attempting to kill three more, is not the victim of a difficult process. Amy Bishop is a horribly defective human being. Whatever complaints she may have had a week ago, she has forfeited any right to make them.
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At least someone else is willing to question this.

http://dagblog.com/social-justice/not-about-tenure-seriously-3146



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karmacoma. said:
Maybe diversity is such now that when somebody decides to go on a rampage, the people who just happen to be in the way are people of color. If this was 25-30 years ago, it would have been white men in the line of fire because whites used to have those jobs a lot more.
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It is funny how some people(not you in particular) choose to stop discrimaniting to their favor. The indian was chairman of the biology department. The other two black professors were also part of the biology department. She targeted the biology department and not any black person she came across. That shows motivation. The chair of the department would also be part of the group to decide if she got tenure. She is guilty, guilty, guilty but not of racism. of murder! If you look further back into her history, she killed her brother(who is not black). It shows a pattern of killing and not of racism.
 
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