Another cover "controversy":Essence Takes Heat For Reggie Bush Cover

lipstick said:
the man is gorgeous...i would think that even if he was with a black woman...his body is amazing...he has been a great roll model for young kids...he does alot of volunteering...his team won the superbowl...personally i think that the magazine made a great choice

do you know that stats on how many issues were sold vs say the jan. issue or previous issues? if not, you have no grounds to state that more copies would have sold with another cover model...

what is essence magazines demographic other than just saying bw? what age group? how many subscriptions? do those subscriptions actually go to residences or to every black salon in the usa...how many copies actually sell off the newstand?
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lipstick, give it up, you cannot argue with someone who has been a supporter of ESSENCE for many years, you obviously have no idea of the rich history, culture and traditions of Essence used to uplift and encourage black women. You are missing the point, it is not about have a sexy black guy on "a" magazine. It suppose to be a man that black women can relate to when it comes to relationships. You are looking at this from a white woman's point of view about a some random magazine.
 
blacgrl said:
Just look around. PPl will be bias towards others simply because they are black or female (white or black). Well try being black AND female, that is why we black women are known to be mentally strong, because we have no choice but to be if we want to survive in this society.
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That doesn't answer why you think Black women are deemed not relationship worthy.
 
blacgrl said:
lipstick, give it up, you cannot argue with someone who has been a supporter of ESSENCE for many years, you obviously have no idea of the rich history, culture and traditions of Essence used to uplift and encourage black women. You are missing the point, it is not about have a sexy black guy on "a" magazine. It suppose to be a man that black women can relate to when it comes to relationships. You are looking at this from a white woman's point of view about a some random magazine.
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Did you just admit that black women can't relate to black men?:smt042
 
blacgrl said:
Tell you what, post a thread with that exact title and watch the flies get caught in the web lol
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So you're insinuating that the men here don't deem Black women relationship worthy or that our supposed attitude is common....
 
blacgrl said:
lipstick, give it up, you cannot argue with someone who has been a supporter of ESSENCE for many years, you obviously have no idea of the rich history, culture and traditions of Essence used to uplift and encourage black women. You are missing the point, it is not about have a sexy black guy on "a" magazine. It suppose to be a man that black women can relate to when it comes to relationships. You are looking at this from a white woman's point of view about a some random magazine.
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nice try, i did some of the research for you...cuz i'm just smart like that...essence sells 1.1 million copies of the magazine...now there are 309 million people in the usa just for a comparison...78% of the distribution is subscription...approximately 21% is sold off the stands...do you realize that is only 242,000 copies that get picked up off the shelf nationwide every month...i would love to know how many subscriptions are actually going to households vs. black owned businesses?

i'm sorry you can't relate to reggie...and if that is the case you can't relate to any of the black men here that date ww...since you haven't made too many friends with the ww here it really begs the question why you have continued to post...are you still bored? is it still snowing? do you need me to come shovel your walk and brush off your car so you don't get your hair wet or break a nail because ww we are strong like that we can do all kinds of things for ourselves and others:smt077
 
Tony Soprano said:
Did you just admit that black women can't relate to black men?:smt042
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No she meant that a black man on the cover should have been one black women can relate to relationship-wise, i.e. one that's with a black woman right now.

Now where's that damn popcorn smilie :D
 
personally i don't think it should matter who a bm is married to or dating when it comes to relating...when emmitt smith was on dancing with the stars...omg, be still my heart...i love that man and you know one of the things i admired most about him was that he is a family man...beautiful wife and 2 gorgeous girls...he is married to a black woman...i still looked at him and thought i would love to be in a relationship with a man like him...it never even entered my mind that i can't relate to him...his wife...their two children...because she is black and not white...for me it's more about what they represent as a couple a man and a woman without colour...
 
karmacoma. said:
No she meant that a black man on the cover should have been one black women can relate to relationship-wise, i.e. one that's with a black woman right now.
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Oh really??? Well then if that's the case then why not have this guy on the cover of Essence?:smt003

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Here's the mission statement for JDate below. Now does anyone believe they would place Glenn Sacks on the cover of their magazine knowing how he feels towards Jewish women? When you consider all the criticism and name-calling the author received for The Shiksa's Guide to Dating Jewish ...somehow I highly doubt this would occur.

JDate's mission is to strengthen the Jewish community and ensure that Jewish traditions are sustained for generations to come. To accomplish this mission, we provide a global network where Jewish singles can meet to find friendship, romance and life-long partners within the Jewish faith.
Here at JDate we are proud of our Jewish traditions and values and are therefore not only deeply committed to our support for Israel and Jewish cultural programs throughout the world, but also supportive of charitable non-profit organizations of all faiths.

Since 1997, JDate has been growing the Jewish community one success story at a time, forming countless relationships and ultimately, creating Jewish families. The most gratifying part of our jobs here at JDate are the thousands of phone calls, emails and letters we receive every year from JDate success stories thanking us for connecting them with their beshert. We never tire of hearing stories and testimonies from Jews all over the world about how JDate has influenced their lives and, in the process, helped build the Jewish community.
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Misandry and Modern American Jewish Culture:
Why I Didn't Marry a Jewish Woman
By Glenn Sacks​
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The Jewish community wrings its hands over intermarriage and the melting away of America's Jewish population into the larger culture. Many analysts say the root of the problem is the unwillingness of many Jewish men to marry Jewish women, and ask "why is this happening?"

Perhaps I can help provide an answer.

Why didn't I marry a Jewish woman? The reason I lost interest in many Jewish women was the generally contemptuous, belittling, and bigoted attitude that so many of them have towards men.

My family and I spend the Jewish holidays and many other occasions with a large group of Jewish relatives, friends, and acquaintances.

During the dinner conversation one can be assured that, whatever couple just argued, broke up, separated, or divorced, it was all the man's fault. If we're discussing a woman who has chosen to be a full-time homemaker, the conversation will be about how poor (insert female name) suffers having to do the child care. No attention will be paid to the contributions of the husband, who's working a 50 hour week (or more) so his wife can have the time to love and care for the kids she chose to have.

Challenges women face will be discussed bitterly, and challenges men face will be ignored. Women in the news will be portrayed positively and their flaws excused or minimized. Men in the news will be portrayed negatively and their flaws exaggerated and focused upon.

While listening to the women at these gatherings I've often wondered: do they really believe that women are without faults? When they shake their heads about "husbands who refuse to change," doesn't it ever occur to them that sometimes they are the ones who need to change?

Jewish women could learn much from the story of Sarah, an attractive, accomplished, 30-something Jewish acquaintance of mine who usually attended these gatherings. She was engaged to be married to an intelligent, successful, good-looking gentleman who had a great rapport with kids. He spent many evenings with these relatives and bore the manbashing, including Sarah's, without complaint.

Eventually he broke up with her and later married a shiksa, for which (of course) he is vilified. The breakup could have happened for any number of reasons. However, I'm sure that at least once, as he listened to the women endlessly demeaning and belittling men, he stared into his glass of Manischevitz and said to himself, "Do I really want to spend the rest of my life listening to this?"

A Jewish acquaintance recently explained it best. When I asked him why he and his Jewish wife were splitting up after 20 years of marriage, he replied: "I got tired of being wrong all the time."

Once there was a discussion among the women about a conflict involving one of the women present, her secretary, her female boss, and her boss' secretary. The conversation seemed to go on and on with the participants unable to reach a conclusion. Finally my wife leaned over to me and said softly, "They can't resolve this because the conflict is only between women."

She's probably right. If there were a man anywhere in the picture--a boss, a co-worker, maybe even a delivery boy--the problem would have been conveniently blamed on him and the conversation could have moved on.
When challenged on their anti-male prejudices, Jewish women, rather than considering that they could be in the wrong, often say things like "Men are just afraid of assertive women."

Nonsense. Most of my Jewish friends have married Gentiles and I don't know of one wife who's a pushover, least of all mine. The issue is fairness, not assertiveness. While there are certainly many Gentile women who harbor anti-male prejudices, in general I found them to be less critical of men than Jewish women.

The misandry (prejudice against men) of the modern Jewish woman isn't all her fault. Just as those who are bigoted towards African-Africans, Latinos, Asians, or Jews aren't born bigoted, neither are Jewish females. Some of the anti-male hostility no doubt stems from the days before feminism, when women's opportunities were unfairly restricted.

Yet for men, who were sent to the army or to war right after high school, who did hazardous work in coal mines and steel mills, who had to support their families by themselves without ever having the chance to stay at home with their children, the gender restrictions were anything but one-sided. My father, who worked six days a week for 30 years to insure that my mother, sister and I had everything we needed, never had a choice about his gender role, either.

The other main cause of Jewish misandry is that Jewish females tend to be highly educated and thus have had much opportunity to imbibe the anti-male, politically correct myths and prejudices so prevalent on American college campuses. Most of these falsehoods about men have been debunked by serious scholars and dissident feminists, most prominently in Christina Hoff Sommers' "Who Stole Feminism?" The fact that many Jewish women (and many women of other ethnicities) still believe these myths is certainly not entirely their own fault.

Did I avoid all Jewish women because of Jewish women's misandrist tendencies? Of course not. I knew many wonderful Jewish women and I had a couple of near-misses at having an all-Jewish family. For example, I dated one very intelligent woman who was studying to be a rabbi. I was pretty head over heels for her, but I liked her more than she liked me and she ended it. There were others who didn't pan out for one reason or another.

Jewish relatives have asked me if I miss that heimish feeling, that sense of Jewish closeness that can come only with an observant and all-Jewish family. I think of my late Russian grandparents, of my aunts and uncles, and of the Jewish celebrations of my boyhood and yes, I do miss it. But for me, the true heimish feeling is little more than a distant memory, for one simple reason: how can I achieve closeness by sharing my Jewish identity when it usually means that I will be degraded and belittled for my masculine identity?​
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porcelainsnowbird said:
Here's the mission statement for JDate below. Now does anyone believe they would place Glenn Sacks on the cover of their magazine knowing how he feels towards Jewish women? When you consider all the criticism and name-calling the author received for The Shiksa's Guide to Dating Jewish ...somehow I highly doubt this would occur.







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As usual, you're reaching. When Reggie Bush writes a book belittling and putting Black Women on blast you let me know.
 
karmacoma. said:
As usual, you're reaching. When Reggie Bush writes a book belittling and putting Black Women on blast you let me know.
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Exactly.

As a Jewish woman, Glenn Sacks can go suck on some donkey and horse balls.

Plus, he's not attractive, sexy or what-have-you.

Now they'd sell mags:

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karmacoma. said:
As usual, you're reaching. When Reggie Bush writes a book belittling and putting Black Women on blast you let me know.
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Exactly, I'm guessing like most pro Black athletes, Reggie Bush has actually been with a Black woman. But if he's not dating a dark skin woman he has self hate issues or wants light skin babies :lol:
 
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xoxo said:
Exactly, I'm guessing like most pro Black athletes Reggie Bush has actually been with a Black woman. But if he's not dating a dark skin woman he has self hate issues or wants light skin babies :lol:
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The irony is that most black women don't want dark-skinned babies either. What projection.
 
To this blacgrl on here, why in the world did you go to robin thicke
and drool over him all the while on a website for ww and bm. Black women right now is also feeling Trey Songz, Maxwell and Drake, who right now is both selling more albums and have more hits out than Robin, but I love robin thicke thats my boy and I support him so in now way Im bashing him when saying that. Im more of less saying its funny you went
to him instead of those AND you are on a website that celebrates ww & bm relations.

Your suspect, I believe your a black woman who obviously hates interracial between bm and ww but find it okay when its a white man dating black women. That keeps the circle going, I believe you are prejudice towards this kind of interracial dating and is here to be slick about your shit.
 
kenny_g said:
To this blacgrl on here, why in the world did you go to robin thicke
and drool over him all the while on a website for ww and bm. Black women right now is also feeling Trey Songz, Maxwell and Drake, who right now is both selling more albums and have more hits out than Robin, but I love robin thicke thats my boy and I support him so in now way Im bashing him when saying that. Im more of less saying its funny you went
to him instead of those AND you are on a website that celebrates ww & bm relations.

Your suspect, I believe your a black woman who obviously hates interracial between bm and ww but find it okay when its a white man dating black women. That keeps the circle going, I believe you are prejudice towards this kind of interracial dating and is here to be slick about your shit.
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