Views On Mo'Nique's Oscar Win

:mrgreen: Smooth. Tu es terrible!

So you think black men are emasculated in media? My perception is they're often hypersexualized and dehumanized. As a BM, do you think that's inaccurate?
 
Once again we must agree to disagree here. Clearly our different life experiences and world views lead us to very different conclusions regarding this movie. The objection for many of us simply put, is due to the overwhelming negative historical and present day portrayals, such movies as Precious, even when based in limited reality and shedding light on tough sociological issues, furthers the perception of the sole African American experience as one that is low, base, dysfunctional, broken, poverty-stricken, ect. Images and words are very powerful, and can have a huge impact on the collective psyche of people both within and without the African American community, thus making the tangible results of such portrayals VERY real to those of us who have to overcome them on a daily basis. Such an onslaught of negative imagery just about everywhere one looks is why those like myself and others rail against these kind of films, even when they may contain important issues. These are very important, very real, issues that have been researched and debated for ages.

In Dr. Earl Ofari Hutchinson's book "The Assassination of the Black Male Image" he does a brilliant job of detailing the root causes, historical genesis, and ongoing examples of the concerted, insidious, and institutional image destruction of the Black man by past and present media forms, both within and without of the Black community.

His conclusion as to how to combat this reality, is nothing short of sheer brilliance in my opinion, from page 169;

- "The first step in the racial stereotype self-clensing process is to be aware of what you say and do.
- The second step is to become a talking, walking, thinking, and most importantly acting anti-stereotype and role model around family, friends, in organizations, in your place of business, and at school.
- The third step is to get involved in church, civic, political, PTA, fraternities, sororities, associations, rites-of-passage, and mentoring programs and anywhere else where you can set a positive example of excellence and achievement.

These are only suggestions. But if we take one or more of them they will go a long way toward countering the self-hateful, self-destructive, and ultimately self-defeating images many Americans have of Black men and many Black people have of themselves."

This is exactly how I live my life everyday, and why I cannot and will not support movies like Precious.

Haven't read the book, but sounds like a good read that I may have to check out.

Agreed to disagree. :)
 
Well, that poster is also wrong (disambiguation, see: "full of shit"). Alice Walker is bisexual. She did admit to an affair with Chapman. Why is this woman insisting Walker's a lesbian? Alice Walker has been married to a man, for about 11 years; they divorced in 1976. Walker was already a highly revered writer by this time, and was in an IR.

I think the poster in question is an angry heterosexual BW who is exactly the kind of woman BM and WW complain on here, and you're using her to defend a point when normally you'd be up in arms for her criticizing BM who date WW.

It's a male poster. And nope, he's not wrong.
 
It's a male poster. And nope, he's not wrong.

No, she's bisexual. Having sex with a woman does not a lesbian make. Why would she lie about being bisexual? Alice Walker is not a lesbian who's a part of some grand scheme to make sure all BM marry WW. I PROMISE you.
 
:mrgreen: Smooth. Tu es terrible!

So you think black men are emasculated in media? My perception is they're often hypersexualized and dehumanized. As a BM, do you think that's inaccurate?

Yes, at times we've been hypersexualized and always dehumanized. In todays times, the goal is to make us asexual or homosexual-ish. That's a new stereotype that's being pushed. The haters like to see the effeminate BM as he poses no threat (to the penis envy haters). This type of BM is not gonna try to be with any attractive female, let alone a WW.

This him hanging around with and being with or bullied by butch looking sistas.
 
this movie has certainly hit a nerve...i saw the movie and didn't like it...some of you already read my take on gabby in the movie...yes, the movie portrays bw in a negative light...this is not just a stereotype...you hangout in any major city in the summertime and as soon as the sun goes down the yelling begins...i live in a predominately black/hispanic neighborhood in denver which is not a large city at all...every night i hear it...i see women dragging around three too many babies all the time...no daddy in sight...living on welfare...kids getting free lunch at school...clothes that they have outgrown...daddy comes by to bust a nut once in awhile with his tricked out car and stereo blasting but no money to take care of babies...

the saddest thing about this movie is how close it is to the truth...does that mean it portrays all black people...absolutely not...but for the ignorant it confirms that the way they view black people is right on the mark

i have never seen a tyler perry movie...not interested!!

i would love to see more uplifting movies portraying black people...to be honest, when movies like this come out it is embarrassing...if there was balance then a movie like this would make sense...without a wide spectrum of stories about black people it loses it's value

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Somebody gets is. :smt023
 
Spike hits the nail on the head with his comments below. :smt038


Spike Lee had an interview with Ed Gordon on Our World with Black Enterprise scheduled to air this weekend. In the interview he complained about “coonery and buffoonery” and both of Tyler Perry’s shows “Meet the Browns” and “House of Payne,” comparing them to characters from minstrel shows.
“We’ve had this discussion back and forth. When John Singleton [made 'Boyz in the Hood'], people came out to see it. But when he did ‘Rosewood,’ nobody showed up. So a lot of this is on us! You vote with your pocketbook, your wallet. You vote with your time sitting in front of the idiot box, and [Tyler Perry] has a huge audience. We shouldn’t think that Tyler Perry is going to make the same film that I am going to make, or that John Singleton or my cousin Malcolm Lee [would make]. As African-Americans, we’re not one monolithic group, so there is room for all of that. But at the same time, for me, the imaging is troubling and it harkens back to ‘Amos n’ Andy.’”
“Each artist should be allowed to pursue their artistic endeavors, but I still think there is a lot of stuff out today that is coonery and buffoonery. I know it’s making a lot of money and breaking records, but we can do better. … I am a huge basketball fan, and when I watch the games on TNT, I see these two ads for these two shows (Tyler Perry’s “Meet the Browns” and “House of Payne”), and I am scratching my head. We got a black president, and we going back to Mantan Moreland and Sleep ‘n’ Eat?
TO SEE TYLER PERRY'S RESPONSE ON SUNDAY'S 60 MINUTES, CLICK HERE

Tyler's response is devoid of any logic or reason imo.
 
:mrgreen: Smooth. Tu es terrible!

So you think black men are emasculated in media? My perception is they're often hypersexualized and dehumanized. As a BM, do you think that's inaccurate?


There is a clear pattern of emasculating BM that is common in our movies and other media. Some of it is obvious but a lot of it is very sly (but becomes obvious if you know what to look for).

BM are dehumanized also, but the dehumanization aspect is on peoples radar as it's easier to spot. A lot of people will adamantly speak out against the stereotypes and dehumanization, but not even notice the rampant emasculation.
 
this movie has certainly hit a nerve...i saw the movie and didn't like it...some of you already read my take on gabby in the movie...yes, the movie portrays bw in a negative light...this is not just a stereotype...you hangout in any major city in the summertime and as soon as the sun goes down the yelling begins...i live in a predominately black/hispanic neighborhood in denver which is not a large city at all...every night i hear it...i see women dragging around three too many babies all the time...no daddy in sight...living on welfare...kids getting free lunch at school...clothes that they have outgrown...daddy comes by to bust a nut once in awhile with his tricked out car and stereo blasting but no money to take care of babies...

the saddest thing about this movie is how close it is to the truth...does that mean it portrays all black people...absolutely not...but for the ignorant it confirms that the way they view black people is right on the mark

i have never seen a tyler perry movie...not interested!!

i would love to see more uplifting movies portraying black people...to be honest, when movies like this come out it is embarrassing...if there was balance then a movie like this would make sense...without a wide spectrum of stories about black people it loses it's value

.02
Being that you are a single mother yourself didn't you move into that particular area to ensure your kid got free lunches etc? And don't you like men dropping by to bust nuts?
 
People should check out the film "Bastard out of Carolina" for the flip side of "Precious". There's a reason why Zell Miller squashed that reality show based on white trash being set up in a home in Beverly Hills and he made no apologies for it. And there's a reason why "Who's Your Daddy" and "Moment of Truth" were cancelled as well. Think about it.
 
Being that you are a single mother yourself didn't you move into that particular area to ensure your kid got free lunches etc? And don't you like men dropping by to bust nuts?

karma...lexington...porcelainsnowbird is that you? actually children receive free lunch based on their parents earning potential...lipstick is gainfully employed since the day she turned 16 darlin'...never been without a job/career...i bought a house in this neighborhood because at the time i worked in the city...houses at that time stayed on the market for about 5 minutes...i love my house it is a small red brick bungalow...hardwood floors...fenced yard...the bathroom and kitchen were remodeled already...

my son has not ever received free lunch but i do feed the kids in the neighborhood all the time...my house is safe for them...my son never wants for anything but i try not to overindulge him beyond his group of friends...if you saw the pack he runs with it looks like a united nations group

i actually also employ a couple of people that live in my neighborhood...the man that services my lawn (front yard) i do the back myself...the tree trimming service...my pet sitter...

i chose this neighborhood so that my blue eyed...blonde haired son would grow up in an inner city and learn how to cope in an every changing society...my son is not only getting an education at school but life long lessons of friendships that don't come with dollars and cents attached to them

as for my sex life...well, i'll leave the jacked up bust a nut men to you...you do know that ww get all the good bm...so why in the world would i want you have...no job and too many babies...too many mamas does nothing for lippy...please feel free to keep them to yourself

go ahead and send your kids over porcelain...i'll make sure they get washed up....take them for a haircut and get them some clean clothes that actually fit...let them play some games on the wii and feed them some dinner all while you are getting your hair and nails done...

:heart:
 
karma...lexington...porcelainsnowbird is that you? actually children receive free lunch based on their parents earning potential...lipstick is gainfully employed since the day she turned 16 darlin'...never been without a job/career...i bought a house in this neighborhood because at the time i worked in the city...houses at that time stayed on the market for about 5 minutes...i love my house it is a small red brick bungalow...hardwood floors...fenced yard...the bathroom and kitchen were remodeled already...

my son has not ever received free lunch but i do feed the kids in the neighborhood all the time...my house is safe for them...my son never wants for anything but i try not to overindulge him beyond his group of friends...if you saw the pack he runs with it looks like a united nations group

i actually also employ a couple of people that live in my neighborhood...the man that services my lawn (front yard) i do the back myself...the tree trimming service...my pet sitter...

i chose this neighborhood so that my blue eyed...blonde haired son would grow up in an inner city and learn how to cope in an every changing society...my son is not only getting an education at school but life long lessons of friendships that don't come with dollars and cents attached to them

as for my sex life...well, i'll leave the jacked up bust a nut men to you...you do know that ww get all the good bm...so why in the world would i want you have...no job and too many babies...too many mamas does nothing for lippy...please feel free to keep them to yourself

go ahead and send your kids over porcelain...i'll make sure they get washed up....take them for a haircut and get them some clean clothes that actually fit...let them play some games on the wii and feed them some dinner all while you are getting your hair and nails done...

:heart:

Lippy, you're amazing.
 
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