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AdventurSum said:
well, will smith aka the fresh prince, was a positive rapper. and last i checked, that dude sold a shit ton of records.

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So did MC Hammer. Will is from a whole different era of hip-hop. And he hasn't had a track on the charts in over 5 years ("Partystarter"). Please come to the present with the rest of us. Thanks.
 
karmacoma. said:
LOL peeps trot out the same 5-6 names when discussing "positive" hip-hop, all of whom combined don't sell what the last 50 Cent album did.
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Then you're not listening because people like Jayz Drake and Eminem spit a lot of positive uplifting stuff as well as commerically successful joints. No good rapper is one dimensional which is why the more positive rappers don't sell as much. Talking about the realities of life all the time either gets boring or depressing real quick.
 
AdventurSum said:
agreed. pure crapola. even fiddy didnt sell like fiddy on his last album. and guess what, even fiddy's highest selling album isnt the highest selling rap album. so why are clowns always jocking this idiot?
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the sad thing and the reality of the situation is that people are not buying music off the shelf anymore...it's all unauthorized copies...i can go to the gas station that is 3 blocks from my house...walk in and some bm will approach me back by the coolers and show me every cd and current movie for a fraction of the cost...if i have cash on me i might just be tempted to buy several cds...
 
AdventurSum said:
agreed. pure crapola. even fiddy didnt sell like fiddy on his last album. and guess what, even fiddy's highest selling album isnt the highest selling rap album. so why are clowns always jocking this idiot?
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Because he's had the most media hype since the Tupac and Biggie shootings.
 
lipstick said:
the sad thing and the reality of the situation is that people are not buying music off the shelf anymore...it's all unauthorized copies...i can go to the gas station that is 3 blocks from my house...walk in and some bm will approach me back by the coolers and show me every cd and current movie for a fraction of the cost...if i have cash on me i might just be tempted to buy several cds...
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They still do that? just get the song from youtube. Who does that still?That's 1980's stuff.
 
lipstick said:
the sad thing and the reality of the situation is that people are not buying music off the shelf anymore...it's all unauthorized copies...i can go to the gas station that is 3 blocks from my house...walk in and some bm will approach me back by the coolers and show me every cd and current movie for a fraction of the cost...if i have cash on me i might just be tempted to buy several cds...
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:|
 
andrae09 said:
Because he's had the most media hype since the Tupac and Biggie shootings.
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huh?
jay-z
eminem
kanye

fiddy had his 15 seconds, and some of it was entertaining. but he by no means is or was the cruxt (sp?) of hip-hop. not sure why people still mention him. he is not relevant. his money came from business deals. his music career was short and over fast.
 
karmacoma. said:
So did MC Hammer. Will is from a whole different era of hip-hop. And he hasn't had a track on the charts in over 5 years ("Partystarter"). Please come to the present with the rest of us. Thanks.
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wow, did you just compare hammer to will smith?
sad... will was a success. and had several albums do well. hammer is just a punchline to a joke these days. (even fake-drake references him as a clown on his current album)

and come to the present... you do realize fiddy doesn't make music anymore, right? so step your current events up, playboy.
 
AdventurSum said:
wow, did you just compare hammer to will smith?
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Yes I did. They were from the SAME ERA.

AdventurSum said:
sad... will was a success. and had several albums do well. hammer is just a punchline to a joke these days. (even fake-drake references him as a clown on his current album)
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Hammer had three albums do well. Both he and Will were kid and family-friendly rappers from the same era. In their prime, both sold mega-records. Hammer may have even sold more. Hammer had a cartoon, Will had a sitcom. What are you not getting? And Drake calling somebody a clown, am I supposed to lose sleep over that. He'll be gone by next year.

AdventurSum said:
and come to the present... you do realize fiddy doesn't make music anymore, right? so step your current events up, playboy.
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Let me get this straight: you reference Will, whose last album was in 2005 (according to discogs.com), yet I'm out of date for referencing Fiddy, whose last album was in 2009.

Gotcha.
 
karmacoma. said:
Yes I did. They were from the SAME ERA.
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hmm... will smith's rap career started in the 80s and he made albums through the new millenium. hammer had a big album in late 80s-1990 and a semi-seller follow up. and some how you are marking them as being the same era. makes no sense to me, but do your thing playboy. maybe someone who doesn't know rap will buy that.
 
karmacoma. said:
Hammer had three albums do well. Both he and Will were kid and family-friendly rappers from the same era. In their prime, both sold mega-records. Hammer may have even sold more. Hammer had a cartoon, Will had a sitcom. What are you not getting? And Drake calling somebody a clown, am I supposed to lose sleep over that. He'll be gone by next year.
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hammer sold more than will? do some research. hammer isnt touchin anybody at this point. his album did well in the climate back then, but no dice johnny... he did not out-do the prince.
 
karmacoma. said:
Let me get this straight: you reference Will, whose last album was in 2005 (according to discogs.com), yet I'm out of date for referencing Fiddy, whose last album was in 2009.

Gotcha.
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yep. get straight. your comment is about fiddy being a benchmark for sales. and his 2009 album isnt even his best seller. so you talk about positive rappers not making his mark. ok, let's see here...
according to wiki (because i refuse to pay to read billboard stats) ... Before I Self Destruct has sold over 436,000 copies in the United States. As of January 21, 2010 the album has been certified Gold by the RIAA for shipment of more than 500,000 units.

i can't find stats on the positive dudes, but i will say... gold isn't fantastic sales. and the positive dudes may very well be doing worse. but nobody is crushing the game (in the convo) at that point. lol
 
AdventurSum said:
huh?
jay-z
eminem
kanye

fiddy had his 15 seconds, and some of it was entertaining. but he by no means is or was the cruxt (sp?) of hip-hop. not sure why people still mention him. he is not relevant. his money came from business deals. his music career was short and over fast.
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None of the guys you mentioned had anywhere near the media frenzy 50 had. He was for a lack of better term the most commercially successful gangsta rapper. That whole he got shot nine times thing made him huge. No one cared about Em's gun charges or Jay's stabbing charge because no one buys them as tough guys but in our thugged obsessed culture 50 was the first marketable and believable thug persona since Tupac. As far as music is concerned I think he's gone as far as he can go but he's relevant in the way he brought back believable thug life to the mainstream. That died out for a while after the big and tupac murders.
 
karmacoma. said:
Yes I did. They were from the SAME ERA.



Hammer had three albums do well. Both he and Will were kid and family-friendly rappers from the same era. In their prime, both sold mega-records. Hammer may have even sold more. Hammer had a cartoon, Will had a sitcom. What are you not getting? And Drake calling somebody a clown, am I supposed to lose sleep over that. He'll be gone by next year.



Let me get this straight: you reference Will, whose last album was in 2005 (according to discogs.com), yet I'm out of date for referencing Fiddy, whose last album was in 2009.

Gotcha.
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I agree with everything you said here except for the Drake comment. That kid is the future. He's the first person I've seen with staying power since Kayne. Very versatile and raps about what's hot and is very deep.
 
andrae09 said:
None of the guys you mentioned had anywhere near the media frenzy 50 had. He was for a lack of better term the most commercially successful gangsta rapper. That whole he got shot nine times thing made him huge. No one cared about Em's gun charges or Jay's stabbing charge because no one buys them as tough guys but in our thugged obsessed culture 50 was the first marketable and believable thug persona since Tupac. As far as music is concerned I think he's gone as far as he can go but he's relevant in the way he brought back believable thug life to the mainstream. That died out for a while after the big and tupac murders.
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Kanye out sold 50 cents on the last album!
 
archangel said:
Kanye out sold 50 cents on the last album!
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Yeah because he makes way better music. I was just saying as far as media you'd be hard pressed to find any male performer who has had as much media hype as 50 cent. Media hype doesn't always equal astronomical sales. Check Brittney's last album. It was ok but not great yet everyone was watching to see her self destruct.
 
andrae09 said:
Yeah because he makes way better music. I was just saying as far as media you'd be hard pressed to find any male performer who has had as much media hype as 50 cent. Media hype doesn't always equal astronomical sales. Check Brittney's last album. It was ok but not great yet everyone was watching to see her self destruct.
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yea, totally because of better music. but still... when it comes to media hype. and rap. nobody has been more out there than jay-z. this guy had a 60 minutes segment, for goodness sake.


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(oh yea... do the math. this episode is mad old now... and they are quoting him as being 33 at the time. yea, that makes your boy mad old. props on that btw, i aint hatin that grandpa can still get it in betta than these young idiots. hmm... kinda reminds me of this forum) LoL!!!
 
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