Feeling Guilty About Attraction to White Women?

[Din0Might]

FORUMS ARE TO HEAVY RIGHT NOW, CHATTT

 

[Kushton Slater]

:smt036 :smt036 As soon as I saw this that Erykah Badu song You need to call Tyrone popped up.

 

[BruceCarson]

I don't know where you got your education honey, but you need to take your ass back to school! What the does skin cancer (aka melanoma in case you didn't know; if you did know then wtf) have to do with continents & glaciers & 'strong sexual pressure' & 'supporting multiple wives', etc........what is your point?

Melanoma is a serious threat to health in Africa, where UV exposure is greater. Darker skin is therefore an evolutionary advantage there, explaining why central Africans are still black.

And with regards to glaciers, they have everything to do with evolutionary pressure because:

1. Glaciers covered Europe some 10,000 odd years ago.
2. There was less stuff to hunt so evolutionary pressure was magnified.
3. That evolutionary pressure (men selecting lighter skinned women and the inability to support multiple wives) lead to the evolution of white people.

Again, most people seem to be misunderstanding me. I'm not proposing some personal theory here, these facts are peer reviewed. That white people evolved during the last glacial maximum is indisputable genetically:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/316/5823/364a

It's obvious you missed the chapter on genetics in your high school biology class. Have you ever heard of dominant & recessive genes?

Here's a simple example which explains why this is not really about dominant vs. recessive:

Generation P (the first) has one one white woman, one black man and one black woman. The black man and white woman have three children.

Generation F1 (the second) then has three "black" (biracial) people. Assume one son and two daughters. The son will tend to hook up with the lighter skinned daughter (one will by chance likely be lighter skinned).

So yeah, in the short term in this example there are more "black" people in generation two, but the actual presence of the dark skin genotype is less.

 

[BruceCarson]

Stop!

You know damn well, most Black men are with Black women. Stop that, "Race mixing is diluting the Black race" propaganda crap.

Your agenda is so transparent - trying to guise it as if you're all for interracial relationships.

LOL.

Actually I have no problem with white men with black women, in fact, I encourage it.

I hope for my sis that she can find a successful man (white or black). The problem is this pesky preference that men have for lighter skinned women, hence my beef with the disproportionate number of WW/BM vs BW/WM. And yeah I share that preference for white women, actually I wish I didn't so I do feel guilty about it, hence my posting in this thread. But I guess people are not allowed to have conflicting emotions and ideas.

 

[Inner Beauty]

I have always been told that if you feel guilty or embarrassed than you probably should not be doing it. With that being said, if you feel guilty, you have problems and should stop. Just my 2 cents

AMEN!

You're right over the very short term, but when you bring up the child of a black man and white woman as a counter example, you clearly can't see the forest for the trees. You understand Mendelian genetics, but what you're missing is evolutionary pressure. The very fact that black man is having children with a white woman, and not with a black woman (who is likely single instead) means the evolutionary pressure is away from darker skin.

And about Europe, you totally mis-understood me. I didn't mean that Europe has become lighter skinned over the last two years or something, I meant the fact that "white people" come from Europe. White people evolved not because god created them or by random chance, but because 10,000 years ago it was all covered in ice so there wasn't much food around, men could only afford in Europe to have one wife. So their (Men's) preference for lighter skin lead to the evolution of white people in the first place.

Anyway I didn't mean to stir up a hornets nest, this is just something I've been thinking about and as a black person it bothers me... I guess it shouldn't since black white we're all people and if black people over generations become lighter so be it.

PS. If you want scientific sources there's plenty online:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/316/5823/364a

EDIT: Also you're confusing concepts, the population does not become darker if for example all black men only had children with white women. It actually becomes lighter, there's more people that society would consider to be "black" but in reality the genes that code for dark skin are rarer.

Also I'm here because I do date white women, and the white women/black men phenomenon is something I've been thinking about so I thought this would be a good place to discuss it.

Do you hate that you're biracial (if you truly are)? Sometimes some light skinned and biracial people tend to be the most militant against IR dating, yet they're either a product of one, hated on cause their skin was lighter than other Blacks they grew up around and were teased or felt they weren't Black enough or too close to White and hated that part etc.

I don't know where you got your education honey, but you need to take your ass back to school! What the does skin cancer (aka melanoma in case you didn't know; if you did know then wtf) have to do with continents & glaciers & 'strong sexual pressure' & 'supporting multiple wives', etc........what is your point?

It's obvious you missed the chapter on genetics in your high school biology class. Have you ever heard of dominant & recessive genes? You need to look it up. Then maybe you'll understand that this shit your shoveling isn't even suitable for fertilizer.

FYI it's not you that pisses me off; it's your ignorance.

LOL! I love it

well said ib...!!!

get him tiger...or cougar in this case

LOL! Thank you my fellow Cougar

LOL!

 

[Inner Beauty]

I have always been told that if you feel guilty or embarrassed than you probably should not be doing it. With that being said, if you feel guilty, you have problems and should stop. Just my 2 cents

LOL.

Actually I have no problem with white men with black women, in fact, I encourage it.

I hope for my sis that she can find a successful man (white or black). The problem is this pesky preference that men have for lighter skinned women, hence my beef with the disproportionate number of WW/BM vs BW/WM. And yeah I share that preference for white women, actually I wish I didn't so I do feel guilty about it, hence my posting in this thread. But I guess people are not allowed to have conflicting emotions and ideas.

You sure you're not your sister you keep referring to?

Of course you don't have problems with WM being with BW, you only have problems with us on the other side (BM/WW).

As for you feeling guilty, check the quote above.

If your guilt is so innate as it seems, there are some beautiful single Black women for the taking. Then you can add your "Black" genes back into the Black pool thus keeping the Black population darker. Then again, remember, dominant and recessive genes. Like Forrest Gump said about life being like a box a chocolates, just like an offspring, you never know what you're going to get!

 

[BruceCarson]

Do you hate that you're biracial (if you truly are)? Sometimes some light skinned and biracial people tend to be the most militant against IR dating, yet they're either a product of one, hated on cause their skin was lighter than other Blacks they grew up around and were teased or felt they weren't Black enough or too close to White and hated that part etc.

Nope, I love both my parents and I have no problem with being bi-racial. What bothers me is that my father and so many other successful black men marry white women making it hard for black women to find good men. I've got nothing against inter-racial dating if it happened in even numbers, and I encourage white men to date black women!!

But it bothers me that, either because of the media or because it's innate, that men prefer lighter skinned women. If that preference keeps up you're selecting against dark skin... selecting against black people. I'm against a discrimination against black women on the dating market, which is really what's happening here because of that aforementioned preference on the part of men. It bears out in the inter-racial marriage and co-habitation numbers.

Also I'm not trying to split anyone here up. The good that comes from any two people being in love totally outweighs any other concerns about origins or backgrounds. :smt060

 

[Tamstrong]

"BruceCarson, post: 390644"]

And with regards to glaciers, they have everything to do with evolutionary pressure because:


1. Glaciers covered Europe some 10,000 odd years ago.

2. There was less stuff to hunt so evolutionary pressure was magnified.

3. That evolutionary pressure (men selecting lighter skinned women and the inability to support multiple wives) lead to the evolution of white people.


Again, most people seem to be misunderstanding me. I'm not proposing some personal theory here, these facts are peer reviewed. That white people evolved during the last glacial maximum is indisputable genetically:


http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/316/5823/364a

Your evolutionary theory is a crock of shit. So is this notion that glaciers & lack of food made men favor lighter skinned wives (do the lighter skinned people eat less or something ) and thereby magically created white people.

As far as your "peer reviewed" seal of approval you put on this THEORY (aka opinion or idea) it doesn't impress anyone.

It's obvious your agenda is anti wwbm, so the question still remains, WHY ARE YOU HERE?

 

[BruceCarson]

You sure you're not your sister you keep referring to?

LOL.

Of course you don't have problems with WM being with BW, you only have problems with us on the other side (BM/WW).

No, I just have a problem with the unequal number. If there were a lot more black women and white men together out there, then I'd be all for more white women hooking up with black men.

If your guilt is so innate as it seems, there are some beautiful single Black women for the taking.

Heh, I said the preference for lighter skin is innate, my guilt (or the OP's) is not innate and has to do with my knowledge and proclivities.

Then you can add your "Black" genes back into the Black pool thus keeping the Black population darker. Then again, remember, dominant and recessive genes. Like Forrest Gump said about life being like a box a chocolates, just like an offspring, you never know what you're going to get!

Sorry if I wasn't clear, but ultimately my primary beef is not with the black gene pool, but the fact that this bias sucks for black women and is step back for racial equality. Successful black men marrying white women means kids with two black parents are disadvantaged from birth.

The whole thing about black people existing, or getting much lighter skinned, is a pit of the stomach thing but I wouldn't say anything on that ground alone.

 

[Inner Beauty]

Nope, I love both my parents and I have no problem with being bi-racial. What bothers me is that my father and so many other successful black men marry white women making it hard for black women to find good men. I've got nothing against inter-racial dating if it happened in even numbers, and I encourage white men to date black women!!

But it bothers me that, either because of the media or because it's innate, that men prefer lighter skinned women. If that preference keeps up you're selecting against dark skin... selecting against black people. I'm against a discrimination against black women on the dating market, which is really what's happening here because of that aforementioned preference on the part of men. It bears out in the inter-racial marriage and co-habitation numbers.

Also I'm not trying to split anyone here up. The good that comes from any two people being in love totally outweighs any other concerns about origins or backgrounds. :smt060

I still think you're Brucette, not Bruce, but whatever....

Do you ever discuss these "feelings" with your father (and even your mother)? I bet that makes for a wonderful topic at the dinner table.

So many BM marry WW? Please stay off the gossip blogs with all the "swirl" threads and whatever media is hyping up IR. Like I said, most BM are with BW!

If you're so worried about Sistas being manless/mateless, there's always YOU... You're a viable choice, Bruce. Not all successful BM are going after WW.

I don't think you really believe your last statement. A lot of people look at IR couples and think something negative, when in turn, it could be genuine.

 

[Tamstrong]

You sure you're not your sister you keep referring to? Of course you don't have problems with WM being with BW, you only have problems with us on the other side (BM/WW). As for you feeling guilty, check the quote above.

If your guilt is so innate as it seems, there are some beautiful single Black women for the taking. Then you can add your "Black" genes back into the Black pool thus keeping the Black population darker. Then again, remember, dominant and recessive genes. Like Forrest Gump said about life being like a box a chocolates, just like an offspring, you never know what you're going to get!

I think Mr. BruceCarson is really Miss BitterBertha.

Nope, I love both my parents and I have no problem with being bi-racial. What bothers me is that my father and so many other successful black men marry white women making it hard for black women to find good men. I've got nothing against inter-racial dating if it happened in even numbers, and I encourage white men to date black women!! But it bothers me that, either because of the media or because it's innate, that men prefer lighter skinned women. If that preference keeps up you're selecting against dark skin... selecting against black people. I'm against a discrimination against black women on the dating market, which is really what's happening here because of that aforementioned preference on the part of men. It bears out in the inter-racial marriage and co-habitation numbers.

Also I'm not trying to split anyone here up. The good that comes from any two people being in love totally outweighs any other concerns about origins or backgrounds. :smt060

LOL.



No, I just have a problem with the unequal number. If there were a lot more black women and white men together out there, then I'd be all for more white women hooking up with black men.

Heh, I said the preference for lighter skin is innate, my guilt (or the OP's) is not innate and has to do with my knowledge and proclivities.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, but ultimately my primary beef is not with the black gene pool, but the fact that this bias sucks for black women and is step back for racial equality. Successful black men marrying white women means kids with two black parents are disadvantaged from birth. The whole thing about black people existing, or getting much lighter skinned, is a pit of the stomach thing but I wouldn't say anything on that ground alone.

Just more of BitterBertha's anti wwbm propaganda!

 

[BruceCarson]

Your evolutionary theory is a crock of shit. So is this notion that glaciers & lack of food made men favor lighter skinned wives (do the lighter skinned people eat less or something ) and thereby magically created white people.

As far as your "peer reviewed" seal of approval you put on this THEORY (aka opinion or idea) it doesn't impress anyone.

It's obvious your agenda is anti wwbm, so the question still remains, WHY ARE YOU HERE?

OK....

You at least seem to accept that white people first evolved during the glacial maximum. That's good, because no geneticist who has seriously studied the question denies this.

So is this notion that glaciers & lack of food made men favor lighter skinned wives (do the lighter skinned people eat less or something

No, that preference has existed for a long time (millions of years). The glacial maximum provided the food shortage (evolutionary pressure) that lead to this preference selecting out darker skinned women over many generations, leading to the evolution of white people.

But actually, the reason why human women are smaller than human men is also in fact an evolutionary thing. Neanderthal women were larger and required more calories, it was an inefficient division of labor. Human men specializing in hunting and human women specializing in less demanding task gave our kind a leg up over the Neanderthals. No surprise, in Europe, where this greater evolutionary pressure existed, the height and size difference between men and women is more pronounced.

Finally, for the 5x time, I'm here because I have and probably will date white women in the future, and I posted in this thread because I do feel guilty about my own preference for white women


PS. A theory is much different than opinion or idea, a scientific theory (like the origin of white people or the theory of relativity) has actual experimental or observational evidence to back it up. The origin of white people is not some hypothesis (idea) that I'm throwing out there.

 

[BruceCarson]

I still think you're Brucette, not Bruce, but whatever....

Do you ever discuss these "feelings" with your father (and even your mother)? I bet that makes for a wonderful topic at the dinner table.

Yeah, to death. He is the one who convinced me that once your in love these kind of things don't matter. He does agree though that the media should at least stop promoting WW/BM disproportionately.

So many BM marry WW? Please stay off the gossip blogs with all the "swirl" threads and whatever media is hyping up IR. Like I said, most BM are with BW!

NOT the question. The point is that there are a lot of successful black women out there who are now having trouble finding a man at least partly because of the proliferation of successful BM dating WW. THAT bothers me.

If you're so worried about Sistas being manless/mateless, there's always YOU... You're a viable choice, Bruce. Not all successful BM are going after WW.

I don't think you really believe your last statement. A lot of people look at IR couples and think something negative, when in turn, it could be genuine.

Agreed. Hence why I feel guilty about my own preference for WW. And whatever you say I have nothing but the best wishes for any couple, regardless of makeup, who love each other.

 

[Tamstrong]

OK....

You at least seem to accept that white people first evolved during the glacial maximum. That's good, because no geneticist who has seriously studied the question denies this.

No, that preference has existed for a long time (millions of years). The glacial maximum provided the food shortage (evolutionary pressure) that lead to this preference selecting out darker skinned women over many generations, leading to the evolution of white people.

But actually, the reason why human women are smaller than human men is also in fact an evolutionary thing. Neanderthal women were larger and required more calories, it was an inefficient division of labor. Human men specializing in hunting and human women specializing in less demanding task gave our kind a leg up over the Neanderthals. No surprise, in Europe, where this greater evolutionary pressure existed, the height and size difference between men and women is more pronounced.

Finally, for the 5x time, I'm here because I have and probably will date white women in the future, and I posted in this thread because I do feel guilty about my own preference for white women


PS. A theory is much different than opinion or idea, a scientific theory (like the origin of white people or the theory of relativity) has actual experimental or observational evidence to back it up. The origin of white people is not some hypothesis (idea) that I'm throwing out there.

I'm not accepting any of this so-called scientific bullshit you're slinging MISS Thang! All the garbage that you've been posting tells me you don't belong here. The fact that you are anti wwbm is obvious. So go to one of the sites that are NOT IR because you won't find what you're looking for here. If you want to be a troublemaker, do it somewhere else.

 

[Inner Beauty]

LOL.

I knew it!

This topic isn't new around these parts, just a different screen name.

No, I just have a problem with the unequal number. If there were a lot more black women and white men together out there, then I'd be all for more white women hooking up with black men.

Well, again, the media is trying to promote BW/WM dating, yet bringing BM down as a catalyst for doing so. BW are dating WM, although, a lot BW aren't interested in dating WM and a lot of WM tend to be interested in Asian women. I love seeing IR on all sides, so it would be nice if it happened more with a lot of the couplings, then the hate for intermixing could maybe start to cease somewhat.

Heh, I said the preference for lighter skin is innate, my guilt (or the OP's) is not innate and has to do with my knowledge and proclivities.

Guilt is guilt however way you serve it, but of course you're not guilty cause you're not a BM. C'mon now! Who are you fooling?

Sorry if I wasn't clear, but ultimately my primary beef is not with the black gene pool, but the fact that this bias sucks for black women and is step back for racial equality. Successful black men marrying white women means kids with two black parents are disadvantaged from birth.

Your disdain for our union is pulsating through your posts.

The whole thing about black people existing, or getting much lighter skinned, is a pit of the stomach thing but I wouldn't say anything on that ground alone.

Keep it Black and date Black!

 

[Tamstrong]

you're not a BM. C'mon now! Who are you fooling?

CO-FUCKIN-SIGN!!!!:mrgreen:

 

[Inner Beauty]

Yeah, to death. He is the one who convinced me that once your in love these kind of things don't matter. He does agree though that the media should at least stop promoting WW/BM disproportionately.

Well, obviously you didn't share what else he said or maybe you didn't disclose your true feelings about BM being with WW, if not, you wouldn't have walked away with some Kumbaya sentiment and just a sprinkle about the media and it's promotion of IR.

NOT the question. The point is that there are a lot of successful black women out there who are now having trouble finding a man at least partly because of the proliferation of successful BM dating WW. THAT bothers me.

WW aren't taking all the successful BM. Stop the bullshit!

Agreed. Hence why I feel guilty about my own preference for WW. And whatever you say I have nothing but the best wishes for any couple, regardless of makeup, who love each other.

You don't have the best wishes, you have the best of hate. If not, you wouldn't be here spewing your "true feelings" about BM who happen to date WW.

 

[Inner Beauty]

CO-FUCKIN-SIGN!!!!:mrgreen:

Although, it's hard to argue against ignorance or someones disdain of something, you have to admit, it's nice to know what people truly think and when their agendas are clear.

 

[Kushton Slater]

This tag team action betwen Tam and Ib is kinda hot.

 

[Inner Beauty]

I think Mr. BruceCarson is really Miss BitterBertha.





Just more of BitterBertha's anti wwbm propaganda!

LOL @ Bitter Bertha

Unfortunately, this happens a lot around here.