KID ROCK versus the NAACP

Loki said:
That's because you can't refute any of what I posted.
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My argument was the fact that Kid Rock is not racist.

If you don't even know anything about Kid Rock then how could we possibly debate over the subject?


Also you have no logic with your statement. How could I have not read your post because "I can't refute any of it". Wouldn't I have to read it to know that I couldn't refute anything?
Your post looked like some boring researched shit, so I decided to not read it. Not to mention you don't even know Kid Rock.

Simple as that.
 
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Nico said:
Oh, he has the Confederate flag so me must be racist huh?

Even though he has a black kid and is good friends with Rev Run. I'm not gonna even get started on the fact that not only does he have black performers on stage with him but he's had black people rap on his albums.

I'd love to see the idiots from this thread come and speak on this matter.
http://whitewomenblackmen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16938&highlight=confederate


Mr. Fantastic
Eye of Ra
Tamstrong
Tony Soprano

Come on, you guys are experts on Confederate flags and according to you this makes Kid Rock ignorant and racist.
I just gave my supportive evidence to the fact that he's not racist, now can you dispute any of that?




hahahahahahahhahaha dorks.
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Keep my name out ya mouth newbie.
 
Hellspawn said:
I think he's probably ignorant of the controversy. Lil Jon did the same thing as well in some of his videos/media; I can't find an article where he actually gives his side on things. Luda did it too but it was meant to actually provide a discussion on racism itself.
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Devil's Advocate: If some can redefine the n-word, is it possible the confederate flag can be redefined, especially by "artists".
 
Nico said:
Oh, he has the Confederate flag so me must be racist huh?

Even though he has a black kid and is good friends with Rev Run. I'm not gonna even get started on the fact that not only does he have black performers on stage with him but he's had black people rap on his albums.

I'd love to see the idiots from this thread come and speak on this matter.
http://whitewomenblackmen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16938&highlight=confederate


Mr. Fantastic
Eye of Ra
Tamstrong
Tony Soprano

Come on, you guys are experts on Confederate flags and according to you this makes Kid Rock ignorant and racist.
I just gave my supportive evidence to the fact that he's not racist, now can you dispute any of that?




hahahahahahahhahaha dorks.
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you are either a contrarian or White guy as some suspect. Either way, why are you pushing your luck? it seems very idiotic.
 
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Nico said:
Oh, he has the Confederate flag so me must be racist huh?

Even though he has a black kid and is good friends with Rev Run. I'm not gonna even get started on the fact that not only does he have black performers on stage with him but he's had black people rap on his albums.

I'd love to see the idiots from this thread come and speak on this matter.
http://whitewomenblackmen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16938&highlight=confederate


Mr. Fantastic
Eye of Ra
Tamstrong
Tony Soprano

Come on, you guys are experts on Confederate flags and according to you this makes Kid Rock ignorant and racist.
I just gave my supportive evidence to the fact that he's not racist, now can you dispute any of that?

hahahahahahahhahaha dorks.
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You're still full of shit little boy. Slave masters also fucked black women & had children with them, & they had black people working for them too; some of whom they actually got along with. I guess according to your reasoning, they weren't racsit either.

I guess old dorks like us are just to senile to know what we're talking about, & should listen to some know-it-all brat still going through puberty.

Loki said:
I don't know anything about Kid Rock but the confederate flag represents slavery and racism, period! Also the stars and bars is the confederate "battle flag" not the flag of the confederacy. As such it has pointed symbolism, which is why many southern states added it to the their state flags as a response to the civil rights act in the 60's. Given its history, clearly Kid Rock would have been better off selecting a different symbol to represent "southern rock"

"Far from a "peculiar institution," slavery was, as Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens declared, 'the cornerstone" of the Confederacy. As such, it was protected even more in the Confederate Constitution than it had been in the proslavery U.S. Constitution of 1787".

Slavery was the protected law of the land and was to be the law of any future land the Confederacy would acquire. Their own constitution lays this out plain as day, so anytime someone argues that the civil war/succession was about "States Rights" or "economic inequities", just point out this clause in the confederate constitution.

Whereas the original constitution did not even use the word slavery, but "Person held to Service or Labour" which included whites in indentured servitude, the confederate constitution addresses the legality of slavery directly and by name.
Continuing the US government's prohibition of importation of slaves after the year 1808, which is in the Articles of the confederate constitution unlike the U.S. Constitution, the confederate constitution does make explicit the legal protection of owning slaves.
No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed [by Congress] The constitution likewise prohibited the Confederate Congress from abolishing or limiting slavery in Confederate territories (unlike the United States, where, prior to the Dred Scott decision, Congress had prohibited slavery in some territories). This did not necessarily mean that individual states could not ban slavery. However, section 2 of Article IV specified that "citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired".
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flaminghetero said:
Stick your head back in the sand white boy.
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I think you have sand confused with his ass, lol.


Tony Soprano said:
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Keep my name out ya mouth newbie.
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Exactly.

xoxo said:
you are either a contrarian or White guy as some suspect. Either way, why are you pushing your luck? it seems very idiotic.
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Hell, I think he's both. That kid would argue with anyone about anything just for the sake of arguing. Typical punk-ass teenager.
 
flaminghetero said:
The nazis can say the same thing about their loser flag.

They wave that flag to be RACIST...if it were about pride they'd burn the mofo because MOST whites in the confederacy were damn near poor as slaves.
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I don't agree. Don't get me wrong. I do not like the flag and honestly when I see someone hanging it or wearing it I have a very hard time not assuming they are racist. But I know for fact that not everyone that has it is. I'm southern so my whole life I was taught the flag simply meant pride in the south. I was not even aware of racist implication until it was in the news a long time ago b/c they were removing it from the state capital and such. Then the flag sprang up everywhere. Many other people like me are raised the same. I remember a good many years ago my mom had the flag b/c someone had given it to her and I explained to her that it was offensive. She doesn't get it but she got rid of it. But shoot I still see her with the occasional old dixie shirt on. And shoot I see that on alot of my family members clothing. One family member is a ww that dated bm aswell. I call it ignorance. People don't know any better and when they do they don't get it so they continue to wear it. But it don't mean they are racist.
With that said though some people do wear it to be racist and they very well mean it. Last year I was working for the census when I went to a house that had a big confed flag hanging in the back and then when I ask the guy his race he said were n__. Then said I'm j/k. My face fell to the floor. I never worked so fast to get the hell out of a place in my life. Dude I'm white but I had a fear like no other come over me and I was thinking glad it was me that ended up there and not one of the black ladies I worked with. Those MF looked crazy.

I just feel it's disrespectful b/c even if a person doesn't view as racist it's still taken way so to wearing it anyway is disrespectful. When you have kids that are part black and yet still wear it, it's being disrespectful to them IMO.
 
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flaminghetero said:
The nazis can say the same thing about their loser flag.

They wave that flag to be RACIST...if it were about pride they'd burn the mofo because MOST whites in the confederacy were damn near poor as slaves.
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Exactly!

No one looks at the Nazi flag and thinks, hey, that reps ancient Indian symbolism.
 
Inner Beauty said:
Exactly!

No one looks at the Nazi flag and thinks, hey, that reps ancient Indian symbolism.
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It's a shame that a group of ignorant assholes could steal a symbol of another culture and completely ruin it. It's the same thing with the skinheads. I believe originally the skinheads were suppose be a group that represented the working middle class in the UK back in the 60s. It wasn't originally a hate group. The damn neo-nazi bastards ruined that too. SMDH
 
ThePrince said:
It's a shame that a group of ignorant assholes could steal a symbol of another culture and completely ruin it. It's the same thing the skin heads. I believe originally skin heads were suppose be a group that represented the working middle class in the UK back in the 60s. It wasn't originally hate group. The damn neo-nazi bastards ruined that too. SMDH
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So true...

If I'm not mistaken, they're still around. The ones who are anti-racism.
 
Inner Beauty said:
So true...

If I'm not mistaken, they're still around. The ones who are anti-racism.
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I think you're right. I remember seeing a documentary on NatGeo showing how the anti-racist skinheads were still around. As a matter of fact that's how I learned the original skinheads was not a hate group.
 
ThePrince said:
I think you're right. I remember seeing a documentary on NatGeo showing how the anti-racist skinheads were still around. As a matter of fact that's how I learned the original skinheads was not a hate group.
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I think I've seen the same show.

It's sad how these people operate and take positives and turn them into a negative (although they think their agendas are positive).
 
Inner Beauty said:
I think I've seen the same show.

It's sad how these people operate and take positives and turn them into a negative (although they think their agendas are positive).
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Exactly. They can't even come up with an original thought.

I read in another thread you posted in saying that you were jewish BTW. With you being jewish and me being black, we both have groups that hate us. lol
 
ThePrince said:
Exactly. They can't even come up with an original thought.

I read in another thread you posted in saying that you were jewish BTW. With you being jewish and me being black, we both have groups that hate us. lol
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Yes, indeed....;)

We're their public enemy #1/#2 (depending on the day)...lol
 
Tony Soprano said:
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Keep my name out ya mouth newbie.
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So you've got nothing except a gif?

You're out, come back to bat when you've got some evidence to support your claims and argument.

xoxo said:
you are either a contrarian or White guy as some suspect. Either way, why are you pushing your luck? it seems very idiotic.
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Pushing luck? I was "attacked" by those guys because I said the Confederate flag doesn't make one racist.

Now that there's blatant proof right here in front of us......none of them have anything to say.

Like that dork above who can only post a gif.




Tamstrong said:
You're still full of shit little boy. Slave masters also fucked black women & had children with them, & they had black people working for them too; some of whom they actually got along with. I guess according to your reasoning, they weren't racsit either.
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Ok that's 1 Uno ONE thing.

I listed more then one fact.

So I'll say it once again.......

If Kid Rock is racist then why does he perform with black people on stage, why does he make music with black people, and why is he hanging out in Rev Run's house?



Tamstrong said:
I guess old dorks like us are just to senile to know what we're talking about, & should listen to some know-it-all brat still going through puberty.



Hell, I think he's both. That kid would argue with anyone about anything just for the sake of arguing. Typical punk-ass teenager.
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You actually have no idea how ignorant you sound.

You're like the guy who says "all rap is degrading and sucks" or "if you listen to Marylin Manson you become violent".

Arguing for the sake of arguing? No, I'm arguing for the sake of basic logic and reasoning.




It's really not that hard.

1.You said the Confederate Flag is a sign of racism.
2.Kid Rock reps the Confederate Flag
3. Deductive reasoning will lead us to conclude that Kid Rock is a racist.(by your beliefs)


But I have a ton of evidence that supports to the fact that Kid Rock isn't a racist. So that leaves us with 1 of 2 options.

1. Either my evidence is wrong
or
2. Your beliefs about the Confederate Flag are wrong.


Now I've clearly proven that Kid Rock isn't racist so Option 1 is out of the question.

That leaves us with Option 2.


Your beliefs are about the Confederate Flag are wrong.




Clean up! Aisle you...


Dust yourself off and try again.

Dork.
 
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