A black family or an Interracial family?

No. I've never heard of wp getting crosses burned on their yard unless they dating bp, have adopted black children, or is somehow helping the progression of bp.

In this case I don't think the cross would have been burned if he had a bw, and I don't think it would have been burned if she had a white husband. I think it was burned b/c they were both apart of the equation.
You're completely correct Regina. The bigger picture of it is that one person is black and the other person is white, and they like each other. Seeing the two in harmony is what gets some people a little on the frustrated side.
 
Well, that has been the case many(black men and their black wives) times before...there's nothing written in concrete that says it doesn't happen anymore.

Did you read about the white marine who was murdered along with his black wife by fellow black marines?


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It still does happen. I just think when someone targets an IR family opposed to a black family that is 9 times of of 10 it's b/c they are pissed about the whole IR. I seen some other past news reports where in one town 3 cross burnings had happened on the lawn of IRs. Another one that talked about cross burning happened on the lawn of an apartment with one IR family on top level and another on the bottom. They lived in diverse neighborhood. So I think when talking about IR you have to consideration that they are typically targeted specifically for being in an IR.

Yes I did. IR's upset alot of people.
 
You're completely correct Regina. The bigger picture of it is that one person is black and the other person is white, and they like each other. Seeing the two in harmony is what gets some people a little on the frustrated side.

It sure does. My x husband is one of those. I never knew he had any sort of issue with black people. He never said anything negative, he had guys he hung out with that were black. But then years after we had split up we were still friends. When I started dating BM he didn't want to be friends with me anymore. At the time I was helping him and as girlfriend who were homeless. All these years later it's still the same. He looks at me with disgust. Owell. That's his sickness.
 
I do not have a fear at all. I don't think whites having black features are throwbacks or a bad thing at all. But it will def change how people look at race. If whites couples are naturally having brown children you can't exactly classify them as solely black children and solely black families anymore.

I didn't say you specifically have a fear, I just made a comparison between two sets of White racialist thought.

I don't have alot of understanding of the word racialist.

This wikipedia entry is sufficient.

Racialism is an emphasis on race or racial considerations.[1] Currently, racialism entails a belief in the existence and significance of racial categories, but not necessarily that any absolute hierarchy between the races, has been demonstrated by a rigorous and comprehensive scientific process. Racialists usually reject some claims of racial superiority (such as "racial supremacy"), but may explicitly or implicitly subscribe to others, such as that races have acted in morally superior or inferior ways, at least in certain instances or periods of history.


outside of Africa mutations took place to create new genetics like eye color for example.

Many of those "mutations" took place among people in Africa. Epicanthal folds, Blond hair, white skin can be found in African people. There are many reasons why a certain trait or a given phenotype is present among a group.

If one of my children were to have children with a wp and so on and say my great great grandchildren ended up with what we classify in society today as a white phenotype (they be 1/16 black) and then they ended up with another person with a white phenotype say 1/8 or 1/16 black they have a chance at having a child with more melanin than the average wp. Then wp can have features like curly black hair and semi full lips and we would never think twice about it but you put those features on someone with the complexion that is a little darker people then contribute them as being black features where on a white phenotype nobody noticed them.

This is racialist statement which presumes definable traits as belonging to this or that race. You have to qualify "white phenotype". People we currently think of as White have various phenotypes. "White people" have curly hair and/or full lips without recent African Ancestry and those with recent African Ancestry can not have those features. 1/16 or more likely 1/32 might not even have SSA present in any DNA test or ancestry mapping.


I'm not talking about all races of the US mixing together creating non racial society..... I didn't mean to apply that there would be no such thing as races in the US in 100 yrs. I most def think they will.

There is no such thing as race, Regina, or to put it this way, the categories that you call race have no biological reality. If you want to deal with a racial reality then you need to properly interrogate and categorize the vast human biodiversity based on a number of genetic and social factors.

The Negroid, Caucasoid, Mongoloid person that was deemed race in the old encyclopedia doesn't cut it anymore, nor does the U.S census (Hispanic is not a race).

Race as a scientific construct is untenable, you are applying a genetic reality onto socially constructed persons as if those constructs fit within biological definable and determinable traits.

If you want to see the vast categories of sub races discussed then go to
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/ where they discuss race and subrace.

Again, I believe in differences that can be categorized, I however do not apply those scientific theories onto our socially constructed notions of race. (that's for gz/unchosen)

I didn't mean to apply that there would be no such thing as races in the US in 100 yrs. I most def think they will

Race, or the operative function of similar definable social groups will continue to exist no matter genetic makeup or phenotype imo. Our categorical races are not transhistorical, they are largely not even applicable outside of the U.S.

I don't care about changing phenotypes or racial preservation.
The "Black race" in the U.S has been relegated as the permanent underclass. Hypodescent, as often discussed here, has been one of the ways to do this. I don't want any group, or whatever group gets classified as black, to be the permanent underclass whereby everyone else can measure their success in this meritocracy in relation to the abject condition of Black people.

I don't really agree with your last sentence though.

It is filled with hyperbole and certainly not a good argument for my belief in the relegation of a permanent underclass needed to maintain the false notion of social mobility within this oligarchy. To that point though, Spaniards and Italians (not even bothering with new world Whites in Latin America) have shown a distinctive "response" to the mention of anything African, especially if it is concerning their ancestry.
 
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I didn't say you specifically have a fear, I just made a comparison between two sets of White racialist thought.



This wikipedia entry is sufficient.

Racialism is an emphasis on race or racial considerations.[1] Currently, racialism entails a belief in the existence and significance of racial categories, but not necessarily that any absolute hierarchy between the races, has been demonstrated by a rigorous and comprehensive scientific process. Racialists usually reject some claims of racial superiority (such as "racial supremacy"), but may explicitly or implicitly subscribe to others, such as that races have acted in morally superior or inferior ways, at least in certain instances or periods of history.




Many of those "mutations" took place among people in Africa. Epicanthal folds, Blond hair, white skin can be found in African people. There are many reasons why a certain trait or a given phenotype is present among a group.

While Africa may have it's own mutations they are not the same as the mutations that took place outside of Africa. That's my whole point. Everyone is not the same but that's ok. There is nothing wrong with or differences it doesn't make one better or worse than another. It just make differences to physical appearance of different people. Mutated genes happend and those the mutations appeared in were passed down to their descendants and now we label these people by different races.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080130170343.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1408890
Blond hair
Natural lighter hair colors occur most often in Europe and less frequently in other areas.[22] In northern European populations, the occurrence of blond hair is very frequent. The hair color gene MC1R has at least seven variants in Europe giving the continent a wide range of hair and eye shades. Based on recent genetic information carried out at three Japanese universities, the date of the genetic mutation that resulted in blond hair in Europe has been isolated to about 11,000 years ago during the last ice age.[23]

Africans can have blond hair sure. Albinos who have no melanin, African children who have not yet got their color in their hair (they do by the time they are adults) and those who have ancestors that were out of Africa. The only white Africans that do not have Euro, Arab, Asian, blood are albinos. A very different reason then a mutated gene. It's an error in the gene so to speak where it doesn't read your gene. Their is also a difference from having no melanin and having melanin but at small amts compared to dark skin.


This is racialist statement which presumes definable traits as belonging to this or that race. You have to qualify "white phenotype". People we currently think of as White have various phenotypes. "White people" have curly hair and/or full lips without recent African Ancestry and those with recent African Ancestry can not have those features. 1/16 or more likely 1/32 might not even have SSA present in any DNA test or ancestry mapping.

If there wasn't definable traits then their would be no such thing as being able to know what the race of a person is according to the bones and DNA but yet they can and are normally right and when their not it's typically b/c of racially mixing. Every race has various phenotypes but their still phenotypes that are still identifiable. When people look at me they know I'm a white woman. I have one the various phenotypes of a wp.
That was kinda my whole point. If you have a white pigmentation no one questions you really on whether those traits are from a white ancestor or a black ancestor. They assume white but when you have a brown skin tone they are suddenly considered black traits. My whole point in bring that up was b/c the white parent that is say 1/16 black may have full lips for example that was passed down by a black ancestor opposed to a white but with a white phenotype most people would assume it's was from a white ancestor. However that parent can pass them same lips to brown skinned child and suddenly people we see them as a black gene.

1/16 and 1/32 is still pretty close that you are typically going to have some trace but it show as less than b/c you may not inherit the full 1/16 of DNA but maybe your DNA only shows 1.52%. But yeah it could happen I guess. I it completely not have been passed down to you. But that wasn't my point. My point was it can be passed down to you and your partner could have the same. In the example I used earlier. That would make a child 18.75% black. With that much black it is possible to have either a white phenotype or a mixed phenotype.



There is no such thing as race, Regina, or to put it this way, the categories that you call race have no biological reality. If you want to deal with a racial reality then you need to properly interrogate and categorize the vast human biodiversity based on a number of genetic and social factors.

The Negroid, Caucasoid, Mongoloid person that was deemed race in the old encyclopedia doesn't cut it anymore, nor does the U.S census (Hispanic is not a race).
I'm perfect aware Hispanic means nothing more than a person that has come from a Spanish or Portuguese speaking country and that those countries includes white from Europe (mostly Spaniards) natives from America, and black from Africa and a mixture of all that plus more.

Race as a scientific construct is untenable, you are applying a genetic reality onto socially constructed persons as if those constructs fit within biological definable and determinable traits.

If you want to see the vast categories of sub races discussed then go to
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/ where they discuss race and subrace.

Again, I believe in differences that can be categorized, I however do not apply those scientific theories onto our socially constructed notions of race. (that's for gz/unchosen)

I understand there is no such thing as race BUT at the same time we do have differences that fall into place with our racial classifications. I do not go by our socially constructed notions of race either. Those have been forever changing to suit the wants or ideologies of people. My idea of racial classifications are actually based on genetic differences. And although there is millions of genetic differences within each group the differences are much more minimal that those outside the race. As I said when you can identify different races by bones in DNA there is a big enough difference there IMO to classify people by race but when there is not there isn't. To me is no different that classifying different genders


Race, or the operative function of similar definable social groups will continue to exist no matter genetic makeup or phenotype imo. Our categorical races are not transhistorical, they are largely not even applicable outside of the U.S.

Outside of the US have their ideologies of race. As I said I don't go by that.
I don't care about changing phenotypes or racial preservation.
The "Black race" in the U.S has been relegated as the permanent underclass. Hypodescent, as often discussed here, has been one of the ways to do this. I don't want any group, or whatever group gets classified as black, to be the permanent underclass whereby everyone else can measure their success in this meritocracy in relation to the abject condition of Black people.

That's fine that's your opinion. I agree with everything you said about the black race and those that get classified as so. But I feel that today Hispanics are right there as underclass too.

It is filled with hyperbole and certainly not a good argument for my belief in the relegation of a permanent underclass needed to maintain the false notion of social mobility within this oligarchy. To that point though, Spaniards and Italians (not even bothering with new world Whites in Latin America) have shown a distinctive "response" to the mention of anything African, especially if it is concerning their ancestry.

I think people use racial differences as a way to do as such just as they always used gender to do as such and today sexual orientation but that is the fault of those that use such differences to do such harm. I don't think that makes their being differences or noting such differences as the problem. It's the people that is the problem. And they are always going to find one reason or another to treat other as less than. If you ever study European history this has been going on forever. I don't know if it's human nature or what but it looks at though too many (not all) or always going to find some reason to set themselves apart and use that as means of attack.
 
Oh my goodness!:smt087 I'm sorry...did I say something wrong?​

Well, I always like to look at the intriguing side of things. Global warming is becoming a more serious issue. Most whites are not known for having much melanin in our skin. Those of us who don't have much melanin in our skin will be more prone to skin cancer as this global warming effect continues to progress in the coming decades. But when we have children from black men, the children will have a nice ample supply of melanin to protect them from the effects of global warming.

It's just a thought...a wild one but an interesting one nonetheless.:mrgreen:

To get an ideal of how serious the subject of global warming & skin cancer is becoming click here and look at how many sites there are on (thousands of them) the subject:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=ie7&q=skin+cancer+global+warming&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7TSNA_en#q=skin+cancer+global+warming&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7TSNA_en&prmd=ivns&ei=V72TTbuKAZK4twfQwpl2&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=ccb61cac0dc95407

It's a common trope among dumb Negros who think White folks are now more open to Black people because White people are going extinct. White folks who articulate their racialist sentiments with respect to this topic are

1. Racist, and not into Black people and want White racial preservation

or

2. (As open heart picked up from Regina) Have a concern or fear of latent Black features appearing in Whites who have recent African ancestry...ie Fear of the throwback baby!

you was way off in what she was trying to say. LOL...you are sooooo smart. damn...you do need to bounce.
 
you was way off in what she was trying to say. LOL...you are sooooo smart. damn...you do need to bounce.

What are you talking about? That quote you have of mine was not trying to explain what she was saying. I understood her. My explanation was to show the motivation for her saying it does not comport with her profile.
 
What are you talking about? That quote you have of mine was not trying to explain what she was saying. I understood her. My explanation was to show the motivation for her saying it does not comport with her profile.

I see . got ya.
 
Good stuff Regina,

If there wasn't definable traits then their would be no such thing as being able to know what the race of a person is according to the bones and DNA but yet they can and are normally right and when their not it's typically b/c of racially mixing.

Are they not merely conforming those distinctive findings into categories? (22 Haplogroups, 3 or 4 races) Which is not a problem in of itself? But if you believe this? How many race of Humans are there? and what are those races? The differences that exists among them, are they physical and/or cognitive. If so, what are the implications of that reality within society? This to me is the obvious questions that arise when having even a sliver a racialist position.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0130170343.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1408890
Blond hair
Natural lighter hair colors occur most often in Europe and less frequently in other areas.[22] In northern European populations, the occurrence of blond hair is very frequent. The hair color gene MC1R has at least seven variants in Europe giving the continent a wide range of hair and eye shades. Based on recent genetic information carried out at three Japanese universities, the date of the genetic mutation that resulted in blond hair in Europe has been isolated to about 11,000 years ago during the last ice age

Good stuff, the theories of sexual selection or lack of fish diet in favor of Grain mixed with lack Vitamin D and so on are all interesting....

my point was that not all biodiversity is "Out of Africa", or the aforementioned type found in Europeans. As with "aborigines" having blond hair and such.
 
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it gets called different things in dfferent countrys i guess, it would of been called a mixed race family in the uk, always has done, in us ive noticed it gets called a mixed family or sometimes black

actually it was never called black, just that someone isnt very educated who wrote the article and the black women are very contradictory in that they dont want brothas going out with ww but they see the ww as black now? doesnt jive,

hi all im graham , just came in, love this site
 
actually it was never called black, just that someone isnt very educated who wrote the article and the black women are very contradictory in that they dont want brothas going out with ww but they see the ww as black now? doesnt jive,

hi all im graham , just came in, love this site

whats up
 
actually it was never called black, just that someone isnt very educated who wrote the article and the black women are very contradictory in that they dont want brothas going out with ww but they see the ww as black now? doesnt jive,

hi all im graham , just came in, love this site

ahh ok, yea i agree with that, and welcome to the site :D
 
Very interesting story. Yet another example of the level of stupidity to which the human species stoops.
 
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