Book Claims Gandhi Was A Racist Bisexual!

nobledruali said:
Just highlighting what I was going to respond to is all & as far as Wiki trying to water it down & whether it's true or not it's still racist as I have long thought/known that the Indians & other ethinicities back in South Africa at the time where just looking out for their own folks & didn't give a dayum about the Native Africans that were being oppressed!:mad:
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xoxo said:
look at che, he got praise from numerous Black activists, especially with his work in Africa.

Here's what Che Guevara wrote in his diary.

The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have conserved their racial purity by a lack of affinity with washing, have seen their patch invaded by a different kind of slave: The Portuguese. These two races now share a common experience, fraught with bickering and squabbling. Discrimination, and poverty unite them in a daily battle for survival but their different attitudes to life separate them completely: the black is indolent and fanciful, he spends his money on frivolity and drink; the European comes from a tradition of working and saving which follows him to this corner of America and drives him to get ahead, even independently, of his own individual aspirations."
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UnChosen 1 said:
CORRECT.
This is an old news. It is a known fact that Ghandi was a prick to blacks, surprised some of y'al not aware of this. Read my brothers and sisters, read, lol.
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nobledruali said:
Two things: First on Malcolm in that he also would drive himself & other black men to have clandestine sexual relations with wealthy white women for money & other favors. Second on Gandhi, indeed he may have been born poor but was educated in the British school system (of course) & became an attorney and was considered middle to upper class amongst his own people before becoming the leader of his people.


Wikki Info:
Racism and controversy
Some of Gandhi's early South African articles are controversial. On 7 March 1908, Gandhi wrote in the Indian Opinion of his time in a South African prison: "Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilised—the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals." 15 Writing on the subject of immigration in 1903, Gandhi commented: "We believe as much in the purity of race as we think they do... We believe also that the white race in South Africa should be the predominating race."16 During his time in South Africa, Gandhi protested repeatedly about the social classification of blacks with Indians, whom he described as "undoubtedly infinitely superior to the Kaffirs". 17 Remarks such as these have led some to accuse Gandhi of racism.18 It is worth noting though that the word Kaffir had a different connotation in Gandhi's time than its current day meaning.19 Two professors of history who specialise in South Africa, Surendra Bhana and Goolam Vahed, examined this controversy in their text, The Making of a Political Reformer: Gandhi in South Africa, 1893–1914. (New Delhi: Manohar, 2005). They focus in Chapter 1, "Gandhi, Africans and Indians in Colonial Natal" on the relationship between the African and Indian communities under "White rule" and policies which enforced segregation (and, they argue, led to inevitable conflict between these communities). Of this relationship they state that, "the young Gandhi was influenced by segregationist notions prevalent in the 1890s." 20 At the same time, they state, "Gandhi's experiences in jail seemed to make him more sensitive to their plight...the later Gandhi mellowed; he seemed much less categorical in his expression of prejudice against Africans, and much more open to seeing points of common cause. His negative views in the Johannesburg jail were reserved for hardened African prisoners rather than Africans generally." 21 However, when plans to unveil a statue of Gandhi in Johannesburg was announced, a movement unsuccessfully tried to block it because of Gandhi's "racist" statements.18
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Indians hate blacks overall a movie showed this

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desreveRsIgnitirW said:
Because what ever a movie says,is true.
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naw dude they were just talking about it. this was well before 911. If you notice how indians and muslims act before then and now is a total different thing. Im old enough to remember.

indians (you have to be careful because they are animated in how they talk so you have to be able to differ are they mad or just talking. the language is strong in accent) really hate blacks especially in the nieghborhood. the nigerians here in the ville hate american blacks. anyway before 911 man they will clown on your ass in a sec. post 911 now they are your best bud. they got niggerized

this area believe it or not..... is well diversed . mulitiple colleges and a military base. all kinds of people float thru here
 
goodlove said:
naw dude they were just talking about it. this was well before 911. If you notice how indians and muslims act before then and now is a total different thing. Im old enough to remember.

indians (you have to be careful because they are animated in how they talk so you have to be able to differ are they mad or just talking. the language is strong in accent) really hate blacks especially in the nieghborhood. the nigerians here in the ville hate american blacks. anyway before 911 man they will clown on your ass in a sec. post 911 now they are your best bud. they got niggerized

this area believe it or not..... is well diversed . mulitiple colleges and a military base. all kinds of people float thru here
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GoodLove you know yo tales of everyday Alabama life dont mean shit to me.
 
I wonder about Gandhi's dealings with Black leaders during his time in South Africa? The African National Congress was there at that era.
 
BigBrotherWise said:
This really shouldn't come to no surprise at all. Gandhi, like many other historical figures such as Washington, Darwin, Lincoln were mentioned as people who simply had an impact in history, but often ignoring the reality of their character completely.

1. It took an invitation of Frederick Douglass and some alcohol to get Lincoln to sign the Emancipation Proclamation.

2. Charles Darwin, although he made great contributions to science, still held racist views towards Africans and more so, even went as far as saying that we're not quite evolved as a species.

These are just a few examples. They all range from blunders and even misrepresented events.
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The irony of the Darwin thing is that his own work refutes his views, yet he held them nevertheless.
 
Absolutely. But also, it took future scientists to help assist his findings and ideas and make them more palpable for the theory of evolution.

orejon4 said:
The irony of the Darwin thing is that his own work refutes his views, yet he held them nevertheless.
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What's a trip is that yall 'true' Negroes on that straight 'reality trip' are seeking PURITY in political/cultural/spiritual leaders.

Real(!!) niccas looking for saints to absolve their souls of sin!!lol:prayer:

The world isn't Black or White. Neither is any ideology, or MAN.

Ghandi wasn't perfect, neither was MLK or Malcolm X. Sorry that some of you were expecting these cats to walk on rainbows.

The brilliance of Ghandi is that he adopted a practical strategy for the powerless masses in India to defeat the British empire at the height of its power without firing a bullet.

Chew on that.

MLK's genius was in adopting that same strategy to advance the civil rights movement in the USA without turning U.S. cities into wholesale killing fields.

It's always the good with the bad. The rest is a fairytale.
 
BigBrotherWise said:
This really shouldn't come to no surprise at all. Gandhi, like many other historical figures such as Washington, Darwin, Lincoln were mentioned as people who simply had an impact in history, but often ignoring the reality of their character completely.

1. It took an invitation of Frederick Douglass and some alcohol to get Lincoln to sign the Emancipation Proclamation.
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You know you're implying that Lincoln signed the EP because Frederick Douglass got him drunk, instead of intense introspective deliberation over the course of the Civil War about what should be done about the 'Negro problem'??

Sorry, BBW, all respect, but that's barbershop talk.:smt011
 
well it's these things that should be hammered into every black person on this planet. these ppl don't help you, they used you. i wish ppl would read up on their history instead of watching the damn american idol or the damned youtube. most of that stuff is black ppl performing the fool and telling you to emulate their stupidity. i would suggest lots of reading of black authors and black historians which isn't covered by most european and caucausian history books. especially the women, if you read their struggles, you will learn that their experience is your experience. then i feel we can turn the page on all this bashing and see them in a new light: as sisters and brothers in the same fight.

with this new knowledge, we will have a new self confidence to see ourselves and the world in a new light. we will stop with the pants sagging, drug taking, abusive self hate. we will continue the struggle our forefathers and foremothers started.



and this is not a knock against ir dating. to the contrary. many of the greatest black leaders and pan-africanists had white significant others. to me, i would suggest as soon as you figure it out yourself, you should tell your partner. if anything they should know. to me its as part of you as your looks or sense of humor. it's directly because of your history you look the way you do and your experiences which are the accumulation of a unique history which makes you able to laugh about the small things. why give a part of you, when she deserves the whole thing. that's what a real commitment is.

and for you, white women, this relates to you. it relates to you in the sense of ppl struggling for justice. and as women, you have been treated like second class citizens, the same as blacks. maybe learning your man's history will inspire you to learn your own. because remember racism happened in north america, racism happened in europe and australia. guess what sexism happened in north america, sexism hapened in europe, sexism happened in australia.


just my thoughts.
 
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