My Apologies. No BS

lippy just calls her neighbor to see if she is running to starbucks...yeah! white chocolate mocha

 

Lol that works, Lippy.

I never did get coffee. *yawn*

 

What an awesome neighbor you must have.

 

Actually, you are incorrect...but you already knew that.

DB, it's a an insulting term that HAS always referred to SLAVE mastering. When the masters would whip the slaves or force harder slave labor, the crack of the whip was the sound.

So Ymra. Keep making fun and light of a horrible word and time. I think as smart as you act, playing dumb ain't cuttin it. I'm done.

 

See answer above.

 

Are you kidding? Surely you jest. Even that insult puts you in a position of power over the person who's insulting you.
There is no racially rooted insults for white people in America sorry. It's the equivelance of calling a man a whore or a slut. Do you see my point?

 

I love explaining this to white people it always cracks me up. You are racially impervious to insult in this country. All racial insults in this country were created to distinct the minorities from the majority. I'm not saying you can't be insulted for other reasons it just won't be race based. Get it?

 

Oh yeah. I see it now....
So when a Black person spits the word CRACKER at a HONKY, it means he's merely acknowledging that white person's position of power over him.......as apposed to insulting them by likening them to one of the vilest forms of human abusers against the Black person's ancestors in America's history. Well who knew? My bad.

So I now using your profound enlightening logic, Whites who want to celebrate their power, should call themselves and each other CRACKER. Nice. :smt023

(kinda like a Jew calling a German, Hitler, no? Not insulting at all)

Do carry on.

 

This must be the time when people are bored and willing to argue about the color of rice...lol.

I have no dog in the current fight but I do have a couple of comments.

If you said to Southern white people that the term "cracker" was a reference to slave owners they would laugh long and hard. As a person born in the South, I can tell you this term has ALWAYS referred to a poor white person. If perchance any of the Southern born white ladies stumble upon this thread I think that you'll find they agree with that definition.

An arcane reference might suit a particular argument, because it sounds more demeaning, but it isn't commonly accepted, period. In fact, politicians have used this word historically, including Bill Clinton. If ANYONE believed that word could be construed as having a meaning tied to slavery, it would have been used against him by everyone from Republicans to concerned Black groups.

Having said that, I believe that an insult is an insult. Why should a black person be upset if he's called an eggplant? Why should a man from Mexico be upset to be called a goat? Why, because it was the intent of the speaker to suggest something negative about the person, the word is unimportant.

 

Never mind carry on with your psuedo outrage my friend lol.

 

here you go DB

we take turns picking up coffee for each other...i think we keep our local starbucks in business

 

Where are you getting outrage? I'm as "outraged" as Ymra was.

 

I guess it depends now, because in modern day analogies, no term holds the same /original meaning (or power) anymore, or as much.

Anyway I found this to be interesting to explain what it meant to (some) Southerners...tad different than 'poor folk'.

So like you said, if its intent is to insult, regardless of meaning, it's an insult. And I believe ALONG with "Black Bitch", Vaudeville was trying to insult the OP.

 

Nowhere in a search of the etymology of the word does it show this to be a meaning. The only reference I could find at all was as an un-cited "theory" on Wiki, which means nothing. So, there's nothing to suggest that any Southerners shared or share this definition. Also, bear in mind that your original post was about its historical usage. So, of course any response should address the issue in the same way, yes?

Your quote refers to some article that very well may have been written by a non-Southerner, or someone not familiar with the term, which is not so uncommon as many articles aren't often well vetted. This makes sense in the context of its usage by Bill Clinton. Certainly, Clinton wold not have made a "general insult" to constituents he wanted to embrace and support his wife's run for the Democratic Presidential nomination. It's makes more sense that he was referring to "poor" white Southerners whose votes in Southern states would potentially carry the nomination for Hillary.

But, I guess that you can argue that was three years ago, and that's not modern enough...

 

Oh...I knew that...I was poking fun.

 

I doubt Bill Clinton calling his wife's potential voters "Crackers" is the barometer to negate it being used as an insult by Vaudeville here. (Bill's comment did not escape some "controversial" discussion at the time, I might add)

Nonetheless, I think this might be where you stand on the issue...

While I have yet to meet one, apparently you have and if "it's a southern thing" to you, then so be it.

 

I agree with you completely, as I stated earlier, it's all about intent, and I believe that those words and many others used by posters here are insulting.

 

and this time...I didnt start shit. Im gonna sit on the sidelines and just watch the carnage. LOL

 

I appreciated this exchange. Devoid of insults. We lost a great member in Christine D yesterday due to a spat with another member. You are a refreshing person to debate opinions with.