help..wonderful white women/parents

[Ymra]

If you are anyone you know is doing the following please ask them to stop immediately.

Please stop repeating "BI-RACIAL" as if it were a breed of dog like a Yorkipoo or Chihuachshund. It also is not a badge of honor like the Purple Heart. Please stop walking around as if it entitles you to 15% off and John Steak House. Its starting to get on my nerves, like the new pet poodle or lil adopted Asian children from China. Also please telling people that NOT calling themselves or their children BI-RACIAL somehow betrays part of their race.

Also, if you seem them could you also ask them to stop DEMANDING that other children or men and women who have one white parent and one black parent are BI-RACIAL. Please no more questions about "Why do we call Obama black" or "Why doesn't Halley Berry call her children bi-racial"

Your faux righteous indignation is troubling me and starting to get on my nerves.

You taking black penis and carry black male sperm, while appreciated, makes you no more or no less than any other woman. In this age of "I'm different" I understand the pressure but if you are doing this or you knowing else how is.......please ask them to stop, immediately.

thank you for your time.

 

[lippy]

lippy would except i took a verbal lashing from a bi-racial woman yesterday...huge chip on her shoulder...telling me she isn't black that she is bi-racial....she was so passionate about it...i just agreed with her and moved on...it was so much easier then trying to explain to her the one drop rule

 

[Ymra]

lippy would except i took a verbal lashing from a bi-racial woman yesterday...huge chip on her shoulder...telling me she isn't black that she is bi-racial....she was so passionate about it...i just agreed with her and moved on...it was so much easier then trying to explain to her the one drop rule

KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT!!

if we ban together we can stop this foolishness. The whole one-drop rule is dumb as hell as well....but that is for another rant.

 

[DMBLOVE]

haha right on my brotha right on

 

[lippy]

KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT!!

if we ban together we can stop this foolishness. The whole one-drop rule is dumb as hell as well....but that is for another rant.

trust me...i do not want to fight with her...i was actually a little shocked because she was really trying hard to educate me about what you get when you mix two ethnicities...as if i didn't know...but in her defense she doesn't know me and probably just thought i was a dumb white girl...

it is interesting that you mention this topic because i was thinking the exact same thing when she started schooling me...it sounded like she was talking about breeding an animal...

 

[orejon4]

If you are anyone you know is doing the following please ask them to stop immediately.

Please stop repeating "BI-RACIAL" as if it were a breed of dog like a Yorkipoo or Chihuachshund. It also is not a badge of honor like the Purple Heart. Please stop walking around as if it entitles you to 15% off and John Steak House. Its starting to get on my nerves, like the new pet poodle or lil adopted Asian children from China. Also please telling people that NOT calling themselves or their children BI-RACIAL somehow betrays part of their race.

Also, if you seem them could you also ask them to stop DEMANDING that other children or men and women who have one white parent and one black parent are BI-RACIAL. Please no more questions about "Why do we call Obama black" or "Why doesn't Halley Berry call her children bi-racial"

Your faux righteous indignation is troubling me and starting to get on my nerves.

You taking black penis and carry black male sperm, while appreciated, makes you no more or no less than any other woman. In this age of "I'm different" I understand the pressure but if you are doing this or you knowing else how is.......please ask them to stop, immediately.

thank you for your time.

You mean like reginastar? LOL! I think that is one of her concerns.

 

[ReginaStar]

WOW. If you don't white women or non black women to raise your kids as part of their racial group DO NOT stick your black penis in them. It's that simple. If you don't want your white/black kids (or in your case) black/Asian to embrace all of their heritages then you should have thought about that before you choose to go outside of your race. I'm sure you would never consider your children to be monoracial Asian so stop expecting women who bear your children, raise your children, pass on ethnic and cultural heritage to identify their children as monoracial black when they are not as if who they are has no bearing on the children they produce. Stop expecting your children who can see themselves in a person of another race, and relate to culturally to deny apart of who they are just b/c your not comfortable with who they are.

 

[orejon4]

It was only a matter of time before the battle was joined on this thread.

Seriously, I don't care how people self-identify, because I think if it's based in some aspect of genetic reality people will understand, and if not, they'll just think they're crazy, LOL. As far as reginastar's perspective, I am not at all familiar with the South, so I can't say how welcoming whites are toward non-whites being included in their ethnic group, as I come from a midwest rust-belt manufacturing town full of what we term white "ethnics" who are fiercely Irish/Italian/Polish/etc and they call any kids one of their children might have with a non-white by the other ethnic group (i.e. African-American/black, Latino, Asian, whatever). Period. The racial environment in St. Louis, Chicago and Cleveland is one of the reasons my ex and I decided to raise our child in South Florida.

 

[lippy]

It was only a matter of time before the battle was joined on this thread.

Seriously, I don't care how people self-identify, because I think if it's based in some aspect of genetic reality people will understand, and if not, they'll just think they're crazy, LOL. As far as reginastar's perspective, I am not at all familiar with the South, so I can't say how welcoming whites are toward non-whites being included in their ethnic group, as I come from a midwest rust-belt manufacturing town full of what we term white "ethnics" who are fiercely Irish/Italian/Polish/etc and they call any kids one of their children might have with a non-white by the other ethnic group (i.e. African-American/black, Latino, Asian, whatever). Period. The racial environment in St. Louis, Chicago and Cleveland is one of the reasons my ex and I decided to raise our child in South Florida.

if we take a walk down memory lane...as the europeans first came to america they stayed very segregated by whatever country they came from...so back in the day the irish grandfather would be talking to his longtime friend and say....well you know the grandaughter is marrying a polish guy...comes from a nice family...guess she couldn't find an irish guy she liked...hope it works out...this talk of mixing is nothing new infact many times we announce what our nationalities are so i guess if someone wants to announce their race they are certainly entitled...i just had one of those lightbulb moments where i saw the other perspective

 

[ReginaStar]

It was only a matter of time before the battle was joined on this thread.

Seriously, I don't care how people self-identify, because I think if it's based in some aspect of genetic reality people will understand, and if not, they'll just think they're crazy, LOL. As far as reginastar's perspective, I am not at all familiar with the South, so I can't say how welcoming whites are toward non-whites being included in their ethnic group, as I come from a midwest rust-belt manufacturing town full of what we term white "ethnics" who are fiercely Irish/Italian/Polish/etc and they call any kids one of their children might have with a non-white by the other ethnic group (i.e. African-American/black, Latino, Asian, whatever). Period. The racial environment in St. Louis, Chicago and Cleveland is one of the reasons my ex and I decided to raise our child in South Florida.

If someone identifies themselves as mixed then whites will refer to them as mixed. There is no way to distinguish who exactly is mixed and who is just light skin. But if you look like you can be mixed you will be asked from both white and black. Does that mean anything. Absolutely not. Racial identiy is how you identify yourself and has absolutely nothing to do with how other people identify you as. I have already talked about to my 7 yr old about those realities. I have explained to her that she is both black and white b/c her mommy is white and her daddy is black. I have told her that some people might be mean to her b/c she is black. I told her that some people will assume she is only black, some will think she is Hispanic, and some will think she is mixed. And no one will never assume her to only be white. But regardless of what others assume her to be she is both black and white both African American and European American and have showed her in her appearance how she looks like both her mother and fahter. I have also told her that some people might even be mean to her b/c she is part white.

 

[orejon4]

If someone identifies themselves as mixed then whites will refer to them as mixed. There is no way to distinguish who exactly is mixed and who is just light skin. But if you look like you can be mixed you will be asked from both white and black. Does that mean anything. Absolutely not. Racial identiy is how you identify yourself and has absolutely nothing to do with how other people identify you as. I have already talked about to my 7 yr old about those realities. I have explained to her that she is both black and white b/c her mommy is white and her daddy is black. I have told her that some people might be mean to her b/c she is black. I told her that some people will assume she is only black, some will think she is Hispanic, and some will think she is mixed. And no one will never assume her to only be white. But regardless of what others assume her to be she is both black and white both African American and European American and have showed her in her appearance how she looks like both her mother and fahter. I have also told her that some people might even be mean to her b/c she is part white.

I totally understand what you are saying, I've just never experienced it. Hence, the move to Miami to get away from the midwest. Up there (where I lived for the first 35 years of my life) whites call mixed kids black, and acknowledged that the reason for the appearance was a white parent. The move for acceptance of biracial identity there comes from mixed-race children who want to be able to more fully identify themselves rather than having to choose.

Again, bear in mind that Saint Louis and Chicago have some of the worst race relations, along with Cinncinati and Boston, north of the Mason-Dixon line and are notorious for such. Hence my statement about admittedly knowing nothing about Georgia (except that Atlanta's there and I have to drive through on my way to Miami).

 

[ReginaStar]

I totally understand what you are saying, I've just never experienced it. Hence, the move to Miami to get away from the midwest. Up there (where I lived for the first 35 years of my life) whites call mixed kids black, and acknowledged that the reason for the appearance was a white parent. The move for acceptance of biracial identity there comes from mixed-race children who want to be able to more fully identify themselves rather than having to choose.

Again, bear in mind that Saint Louis and Chicago have some of the worst race relations, along with Cinncinati and Boston, north of the Mason-Dixon line and are notorious for such. Hence my statement about admittedly knowing nothing about Georgia (except that Atlanta's there and I have to drive through on my way to Miami).

I live in metro Atlanta although my town is small. When I was growing up (I'm 31) mixed couples and mixed kids were not very common. (Today it's very different, their is mixed kids all over the place can not go into the local walmart with out seeing atleast not one mixed kid and sometimes I may see up to 5 mixed families in one trip) In fact the only mixed race people I knew during school was some twin boys. But as soon as they entered the school the word was they was some fine ass mixed guys in the school. That was coming from white people so being white I've never really seen this issue of white people referring to mixed people as black when they KNOW they are mixed. Now if the person doesn't let it be known that they are mixed then yes they are referred to as black. But even going into adulthood where I actually started meeting biracial people who identified that way and again all the white people I knew identified them as mixed. They didn't say "the black girl" they said "the mixed girl" again in situations were the person had let it be known they were mixed. So when I hear this white people will only identify mixed people as black I'm always left wondering who are these white people cause I haven't' meet them. When I go online and I see mixed race people identified as mixed I have yet to see white people tell them no they are not mixed they are just black. Not that I don't doubt there is some out there like that but unless it's the majority it don't matter much.

Yes there is a biracial movement in full effect. I think it's awesome they no longer allowing people to take away whom they are and standing up for their right to identify multiracially. Some states still are withholding that right. Mine has actually passed laws where all our forms now have give the option of either checking multiracial or more than one race. The fight still exist for those of Hispanic heritage throughout the country though. If they check Hispanic it doesn't matter if they also check black, Asian, native American, or white they are one dropped and counted with all races of Hispanic. The fight goes on. One day they will be there and hopefully one day it will not even be needed anymore.

 

[orejon4]

I live in metro Atlanta although my town is small. When I was growing up (I'm 31) mixed couples and mixed kids were not very common. (Today it's very different, their is mixed kids all over the place can not go into the local walmart with out seeing atleast not one mixed kid and sometimes I may see up to 5 mixed families in one trip) In fact the only mixed race people I knew during school was some twin boys. But as soon as they entered the school the word was they was some fine ass mixed guys in the school. That was coming from white people so being white I've never really seen this issue of white people referring to mixed people as black when they KNOW they are mixed. Now if the person doesn't let it be known that they are mixed then yes they are referred to as black. But even going into adulthood where I actually started meeting biracial people who identified that way and again all the white people I knew identified them as mixed. They didn't say "the black girl" they said "the mixed girl" again in situations were the person had let it be known they were mixed. So when I hear this white people will only identify mixed people as black I'm always left wondering who are these white people cause I haven't' meet them. When I go online and I see mixed race people identified as mixed I have yet to see white people tell them no they are not mixed they are just black. Not that I don't doubt there is some out there like that but unless it's the majority it don't matter much.

Yes there is a biracial movement in full effect. I think it's awesome they no longer allowing people to take away whom they are and standing up for their right to identify multiracially. Some states still are withholding that right. Mine has actually passed laws where all our forms now have give the option of either checking multiracial or more than one race. The fight still exist for those of Hispanic heritage throughout the country though. If they check Hispanic it doesn't matter if they also check black, Asian, native American, or white they are one dropped and counted with all races of Hispanic. The fight goes on. One day they will be there and hopefully one day it will not even be needed anymore.

The midwestern cities are (mostly) dominated politically by rural Republicans at the state level, and white conservative Reagan Democrat Catholic machine politicians in the urban areas with which I am familiar. Chicago until Rahm Emmanuel - the city's first Jewish mayor and first non-Irish Catholic with the exception of Harold Washington in over 50 years; St. Louis currently, and on and on. Anyway, I wasn't saying that whites refuse to acknowledge if a mixed-race child has a white parent, it's that societally mixed children occupy the nominally 'black' social space. Being 'mixed' doesn't get them any special break from the daily hassles of being black in a majority non-black environment. Whites here generally think of mixed kids as what many on this forum (including several of the white mothers of 'mixed' kids here) have said they have experienced anecdotally: as black children with white mothers. Knowing and acknowledging that mixed-race children are exactly that is one thing. They are still wrongfully stigmatized by their "blackness". And sadly, I think that the desire to escape such stigma is a large part of what fuels the "multiracial" movement. I totally agree that people shouldn't have to conform to societal expectations of them, but that is not the same as saying that those expectations/limitations don't exist.

Before this turns into another full-blown thread discussion, I wasn't trying to deny multiracial children their 'whiteness', I was just acknowledging the only social reality I have ever experienced in a majority-white context, one that continues to this day: there is a white social reality and a black one. Immigrants exist as the "other" and are viewed as outside of the social framework of the "mainstream" US, as seen by conservatives and racists here. I am aware that multiracial children are much more commonly seen nowadays, but the attitude held toward them where I live is that they are still not racially white (and are not treated as such) and their relative level of acceptance is based on whether their appearance and culture fit within normative 'white' or 'black' looks and behavior.

On the other hand, Miami, does in fact have a different reality (no less racist, but very different) and my son isn't viewed as some sort of anomaly because most children look like my son or something similar along a broad racial spectrum that isn't arbitrarily cut into black/white. Again, that's why my ex and I left the midwest - she was from another country and couldn't handle being treated as a minority, nor did we want that for our son (I was used to it, that's just the reality of this country).

 

[ReginaStar]

The midwestern cities are (mostly) dominated politically by rural Republicans at the state level, and white conservative Reagan Democrat Catholic machine politicians in the urban areas with which I am familiar. Chicago until Rahm Emmanuel - the city's first Jewish mayor and first non-Irish Catholic with the exception of Harold Washington in over 50 years; St. Louis currently, and on and on. Anyway, I wasn't saying that whites refuse to acknowledge if a mixed-race child has a white parent, it's that societally mixed children occupy the nominally 'black' social space. Being 'mixed' doesn't get them any special break from the daily hassles of being black in a majority non-black environment. Whites here generally think of mixed kids as what many on this forum (including several of the white mothers of 'mixed' kids here) have said they have experienced anecdotally: as black children with white mothers. Knowing and acknowledging that mixed-race children are exactly that is one thing. They are still wrongfully stigmatized by their "blackness". And sadly, I think that the desire to escape such stigma is a large part of what fuels the "multiracial" movement. I totally agree that people shouldn't have to conform to societal expectations of them, but that is not the same as saying that those expectations/limitations don't exist.

Before this turns into another full-blown thread discussion, I wasn't trying to deny multiracial children their 'whiteness', I was just acknowledging the only social reality I have ever experienced in a majority-white context, one that continues to this day: there is a white social reality and a black one. Immigrants exist as the "other" and are viewed as outside of the social framework of the "mainstream" US, as seen by conservatives and racists here. I am aware that multiracial children are much more commonly seen nowadays, but the attitude held toward them where I live is that they are still not racially white (and are not treated as such) and their relative level of acceptance is based on whether their appearance and culture fit within normative 'white' or 'black' looks and behavior.

On the other hand, Miami, does in fact have a different reality (no less racist, but very different) and my son isn't viewed as some sort of anomaly because most children look like my son or something similar along a broad racial spectrum that isn't arbitrarily cut into black/white. Again, that's why my ex and I left the midwest - she was from another country and couldn't handle being treated as a minority, nor did we want that for our son (I was used to it, that's just the reality of this country).

People of mixed race were never considered white in American society nor would I want them to be. I don't believe white privilege should exist to even white people let alone any other individual group. Before emancipation mixed people were separated into a separate group from blacks or placed in the people of color group which included native americans. But since slavery existed and slave status was passed down through the mother and most mixed race children were the children of black mothers it was not a problem. Free mixed children were mostly the children of white mothers grandmothers and sometimes white men that set them free. The reason I feel alot of black folks think that people who claim mixed opposed to black is b/c in that time mixed did have an elite system where they were at a higher position in society much like apartheid in Africa. Also b/c when slavery ended so many were passing as white to escape jim crow. When slavery ended whites were in fear of all these multiracials passing into white society and destroying their little white power world so they pass the one drop rule. But this was a different time and place. A place were from birth one was taught this was the way of the system and to get it where they could fit in, a time where thinking you were superior to another person was not frowned upon. So these "they think they are better attitudes" are passed down. Also b/c we still live in a system where those who are mixed or appear mixed or still receiving advantages over black (celbs, college scholar ships, etc) (IMO another reason to separate where non mixed can have the same advantages). But those today who are mostly identifying as mixed or not doing so for some kind of advantage. They know full well that mixed does not = white privilege and today white privilege is something we frown upon. Most people are not chasing the dream of being an oppressor. Most people today identifying as mixed are simply wanting to identify with the race of their parent and family members and the culture they are raised in. They feel a connection to their heritage and no longer want to be stripped of it. One main reason why it's an issue today is b/c many are the children of white women opposed to years ago they were the children of black women and today they are being raised in white or mixed communities where in the past they were raised in black communities.

Fredrick Douglass identified a mulatto. Do you think he thought he was better than?

 

[Ymra]

WOW. If you don't white women or non black women to raise your kids as part of their racial group DO NOT stick your black penis in them. It's that simple. If you don't want your white/black kids (or in your case) black/Asian to embrace all of their heritages then you should have thought about that before you choose to go outside of your race. I'm sure you would never consider your children to be monoracial Asian so stop expecting women who bear your children, raise your children, pass on ethnic and cultural heritage to identify their children as monoracial black when they are not as if who they are has no bearing on the children they produce. Stop expecting your children who can see themselves in a person of another race, and relate to culturally to deny apart of who they are just b/c your not comfortable with who they are.

I had to read this muck again and again to figure out what the hell you were trying to say. You missed the entire point my backwards, hick country, slack jawed yokel.

Calling a child "bi-racial" in no way shape or form EMBRACES their heritage, and that is the utter stupidity of it all. White women trying to to red badge themselves and their children to be something OTHER THAN.

My children have black father and a Japanese mother. And calling them "bi-racial" by no measurable means bring credit to both heritages. In addition, white women running around complaining about how another person relates to their own children is fucking stupid.

 

[Ymra]

Man...this thread had nothing to do with Regina AT ALL, no anything to do with her planting the seed of "woe is me" in her child.

...but Regina is a good example and I couldn't have come up with another one.

 

[whikle]

I had to read this muck again and again to figure out what the hell you were trying to say. You missed the entire point my backwards, hick country, slack jawed yokel.

Calling a child "bi-racial" in no way shape or form EMBRACES their heritage, and that is the utter stupidity of it all. White women trying to to red badge themselves and their children to be something OTHER THAN.

My children have black father and a Japanese mother. And calling them "bi-racial" by no measurable means bring credit to both heritages. In addition, white women running around complaining about how another person relates to their own children is fucking stupid.

So in a world that thrives on labels, how do you label your children? Not tryin' to be obtuse, it's a genuine question.

 

[The Dark King]

I had to read this muck again and again to figure out what the hell you were trying to say. You missed the entire point my backwards, hick country, slack jawed yokel.

Calling a child "bi-racial" in no way shape or form EMBRACES their heritage, and that is the utter stupidity of it all. White women trying to to red badge themselves and their children to be something OTHER THAN.

My children have black father and a Japanese mother. And calling them "bi-racial" by no measurable means bring credit to both heritages. In addition, white women running around complaining about how another person relates to their own children is fucking stupid.

I'm happy you said this and not me. That ding bat is crazy.

 

[The Dark King]

So in a world that thrives on labels, how do you label your children? Not tryin' to be obtuse, it's a genuine question.

They better get use to being black because in this country especially no other race is as embracing as the AA community. Especially if you're half black. You don't get to be black AND white you're just black or black AND asian again you're just black.

 

[whikle]

They better get use to being black because in this country especially no other race is as embracing as the AA community. Especially if you're half black. You don't get to be black AND white you're just black or black AND asian again you're just black.

Ok, but you're talking about how society views them, I'm wondering how a parent should view them.

It's a topic I don't really understand. I don't get why it's negative to identify as bi-racial. And isn't labelling someone with mixed heritage as "black" reinforcing the "one drop rule", which is racist?

Honestly, I'm clueless, I want to understand this.