Charlize Theron: "I Need A Man!"

[JamalSpunky]

Wow, just wow.

Your insight is INCREDIBLE

The sad thing is that's not true. My points, even as badly worded as those last two posts were, should be extremely obvious. For reasons I can't get into I'm really holding back with my thoughts and opinions on this board, but I will say I have had discussions like this with plenty of other people before and those folks too end up saying each time "hey, you are so right." However for the life of me I don't understand why these same folks, all of whom share similiar interests with me in regards of black people in cinema, never came to these same conclusions on their own. They have just as much access to the information as I do.

 

[Frederick]

Heard on some entertainment news that Ryan Reynolds is now dating her

What's the point of this thread again?

 

[satyr]

Loser ass brothers hoping that some unattainable white actress will date a black man. You can't walk five feet without bumping into a similar thread.

What's the point of this thread again?

 

[lippy]

Loser ass brothers hoping that some unattainable white actress will date a black man. You can't walk five feet without bumping into a similar thread.

 

[SmoothDaddy101]

I apologize for hijacking this thread but....

All these red carpet and premier photos remind me of is how much more cozy and intimate Will and Charlize were allowed to be off camera than they were on camera. The original script was more of a romance between their two characters but the movie that was made watered that down. And that is so frustratingly typical. Hollywood still won't "go there".

Meanwhile the same Hollywood industry has no caution it seems with pairing Zoe Saldana exclusively with white males in mainstream Hollywood films. And no one anywhere says a word about it, no griping as there would be if Will Smith had had one love scene with a white female like Charlize.

Anyone who keeps up with the industry, and I’ve seen this coming for about four or five years, know that the new generation of black actresses getting the most prestigious work are not only being paired mostly with white actors but, in many if not most cases, are also dating/marrying white men too. Saldana, Paula Patton, Zoe Kravitz, Thandie Newton, etc, are just like Rae Dong Chong or Halle Berry or Whoopi Goldberg on that front. Add Kerry Washington to that group as well. And while I don’t know of the romantic off screen lives of talented actresses such as Naomi Harris and Nicole Beharie, their onscreen love affairs are almost exclusively with white men too. Seriously some of you should check out IMDB pages of these ladies and see what is coming down the pipe. They get to cuddle up or have sex scenes with the leading white male actors of today. Meanwhile the leading white actresses will rarely be in the same scene as a black male in a mainstream movie. And then there is the fact that studios are also more than willing to pluck Beyonce and Rhianna from the music world and put them in movies in which their leading men are white too. Can you imagine Taylor Swift getting paired with Michael Ealy or Las Alonso? That answer is obvious.

I’ve gone beyond tired of forking over my dollars to an industry in which the white male gets to be the only kid in the candy store which is why I don’t get a hard-on like some of you guys every time you see a trailer for another superhero flick. It is 2011 and mainstream films are getting whiter if its is at all possible.

So let's see Hollywood makes movies about all of these comic books, video games, cartoons, children's books, fantasy novels, etc and almost all of these films are lily white because the source materials are filled with all white characters. Or if not all the characters are white certainly the most important characters will be white leaving the characters of color to play more token roles. And with the source materials come a sense of familiarity and a sort of expectation that fans (particularly fanboys) want the studios to follow strictly. So any suggestion of a black Superman, a black Captain America, a black James Bond, a black Batman, a black Tarzan are passionately shouted down by these fans. And that is totally acceptable because I too believe in respecting the source material. I go along with the typical white fans' response that if you want a black person to play a major role than pick a black character as a lead for a film. Fine with that too.

Then comes a series of film that stars a black character, a rarity in films. The character is based on a source material, a comic book, in which his race had been established. The first two parts of this series of movies, The Blade franchise, do very well at the box office and almost single handedly kick starts Marvel's recent successful run of movies. So when the third film of Blade comes around what do the writer and director do? They decide to make the third film more about two white characters who were created for the screen. Do you see Hollywood making a third Batman movie focus more on some random black male character? Don't think so. Here was one of the few opportunities for a franchise revolving around a black man and Hollywood still decided to "whiten it up" and make Blade less prominent. Why? Guys like Ryan Reynolds gets COUNTLESS opportunities to play superhero types because 99% of those characters in comics are white men. He didn't need the opportunity to be the star of a movie that was supposed to be about a black guy. Did you ever think about that when you were sitting back and marveling how his presence in Blade 3 made the film watchable?

The sad thing is that's not true. My points, even as badly worded as those last two posts were, should be extremely obvious. For reasons I can't get into I'm really holding back with my thoughts and opinions on this board, but I will say I have had discussions like this with plenty of other people before and those folks too end up saying each time "hey, you are so right." However for the life of me I don't understand why these same folks, all of whom share similiar interests with me in regards of black people in cinema, never came to these same conclusions on their own. They have just as much access to the information as I do.

Sad thing is that most black audiences wouldn't support anything that isn't coonery. They'd spend money on a Tyler Perry film or some faux-gospel film than anything that wasn't in the box (ie Black action films that weren't geared for direct to DVD).

 

[The Dark King]

So let's see Hollywood makes movies about all of these comic books, video games, cartoons, children's books, fantasy novels, etc and almost all of these films are lily white because the source materials are filled with all white characters. Or if not all the characters are white certainly the most important characters will be white leaving the characters of color to play more token roles. And with the source materials come a sense of familiarity and a sort of expectation that fans (particularly fanboys) want the studios to follow strictly. So any suggestion of a black Superman, a black Captain America, a black James Bond, a black Batman, a black Tarzan are passionately shouted down by these fans. And that is totally acceptable because I too believe in respecting the source material. I go along with the typical white fans' response that if you want a black person to play a major role than pick a black character as a lead for a film. Fine with that too.

Then comes a series of film that stars a black character, a rarity in films. The character is based on a source material, a comic book, in which his race had been established. The first two parts of this series of movies, The Blade franchise, do very well at the box office and almost single handedly kick starts Marvel's recent successful run of movies. So when the third film of Blade comes around what do the writer and director do? They decide to make the third film more about two white characters who were created for the screen. Do you see Hollywood making a third Batman movie focus more on some random black male character? Don't think so. Here was one of the few opportunities for a franchise revolving around a black man and Hollywood still decided to "whiten it up" and make Blade less prominent. Why? Guys like Ryan Reynolds gets COUNTLESS opportunities to play superhero types because 99% of those characters in comics are white men. He didn't need the opportunity to be the star of a movie that was supposed to be about a black guy. Did you ever think about that when you were sitting back and marveling how his presence in Blade 3 made the film watchable?

Dude I'm not sitting back and marveling at anything I just gave the guy credit for the work he did nothing more. In that particular film he stood out more so than the other characters. I personally blame Snipes for it sucking. He was the lead and read the script and still decided to participate in that pile of shit. If I were him I would have been pissed since the second film had him romantically linked to a gorgeous woman he didn't even get to kiss but the sad thing is dudes like him and other bm leads have the money to produce films that we as black men want to see but we don't have the purchasing power to make it a reality in this country. Or we won't create cool enough characters who have the personality to carry a film like Blade did and Hitchcock and create good romantic scenes. I would love to see a black twilight or even better a black LOTR but the problem is will studios invest in it.

 

[TreePixie]

On the superhero thing, there was a huge dustup about Thor being played by a black actor in ...crap I can't remember the name of the superhero film from a couple of months ago.

And it's right on the money that black actors don't get paired with white actresses - but that's the same thing as why white actors in their 50s and above get paired with 20 something actresses, but it's rare as hen's teeth to see a woman in her 50s get paired with a younger actor - unless the age difference is the *point* of the film.

It's because movies are made for, and by, white guys, so it's their fantasies we see up on the screen.

And Charlize? We *all* need a man, dear. ;-)

 

[The Dark King]

On the superhero thing, there was a huge dustup about Thor being played by a black actor in ...crap I can't remember the name of the superhero film from a couple of months ago.

And it's right on the money that black actors don't get paired with white actresses - but that's the same thing as why white actors in their 50s and above get paired with 20 something actresses, but it's rare as hen's teeth to see a woman in her 50s get paired with a younger actor - unless the age difference is the *point* of the film.

It's because movies are made for, and by, white guys, so it's their fantasies we see up on the screen.

And Charlize? We *all* need a man, dear. ;-)

That's not the same thing though. A 50 something woman with a 20 something guy wouldn't be bought as something romantic or even believable where as black dudes as lead and romantic interests are believable. But I agree it's the same Jewish white guys who love to paint the world in their image even the fantasy worlds.

 

[TreePixie]

That's not the same thing though. A 50 something woman with a 20 something guy wouldn't be bought as something romantic or even believable where as black dudes as lead and romantic interests are believable. But I agree it's the same Jewish white guys who love to paint the world in their image even the fantasy worlds.

Why isn't that believable if a fifty something guy and a twenty something woman is?

 

[Tony Soprano]

I would love to see a black twilight or even better a black LOTR but the problem is will studios invest in it.

 

[The Dark King]

Why isn't that believable if a fifty something guy and a twenty something woman is?

I think that's slightly over exaggerated. Maybe 40s and late 20s or 50s and mid 30s but not 50s and 20s. And the most obvious reason to answer your question is what attracts us to you is different than what attracts you to us. Women are generally attracted to well accomplished powerful men. That's why you see physical duds like Trump with beauty queens not to mention the loads of daddy issues most women are always trying to work out.
Men generally choose beauty over power any day of the week. No guy is gonna choose Oprah over Charlize Theron where as there are women who will shove (insert name of great looking guy here) for a shot at being the new Mrs Gates. See my point?

 

[The Dark King]

Omg how cool would that have been.

 

[TreePixie]

I think that's slightly over exaggerated. Maybe 40s and late 20s or 50s and mid 30s but not 50s and 20s. And the most obvious reason to answer your question is what attracts us to you is different than what attracts you to us. Women are generally attracted to well accomplished powerful men. That's why you see physical duds like Trump with beauty queens not to mention the loads of daddy issues most women are always trying to work out.
Men generally choose beauty over power any day of the week. No guy is gonna choose Oprah over Charlize Theron where as there are women who will shove (insert name of great looking guy here) for a shot at being the new Mrs Gates. See my point?

Yes and no. I do know that a lot of men have trouble with a powerful woman - a lot of men have been threatened by my success and my attitude in the past. One of the reasons I'm liking this place is that you guys seem to revel in my attitude instead of finding it castrating or something.

But perhaps since I am a successful, strong woman, I don't look for power or money in a man, I never have. I look for brains, integrity, wit, and I'm shallow enough to admit a good looking man can turn my head on the street. Hell, the young man I'm flinging with at the moment and I have very little in common, and while he's bright enough, he's neither witty nor intellectual. My attraction to him is really a physical thing - he's gorgeous. I suppose that makes me shallow, but what the hell - I'm 52. I've earned the right to a shallow moment or two. But whether or not a man has "power" or "money" has zip to do with whether or not I find him interesting or attractive. It's all in the brain, the wit, the integrity and the attitude.

 

[Iggy]

On the superhero thing, there was a huge dustup about Thor being played by a black actor in ...crap I can't remember the name of the superhero film from a couple of months ago.

And it's right on the money that black actors don't get paired with white actresses - but that's the same thing as why white actors in their 50s and above get paired with 20 something actresses, but it's rare as hen's teeth to see a woman in her 50s get paired with a younger actor - unless the age difference is the *point* of the film.

It's because movies are made for, and by, white guys, so it's their fantasies we see up on the screen.

And Charlize? We *all* need a man, dear. ;-)

What movies have 50 yr old actors paired up with 20 something actresses??? Off the top of my head the only one I can think of is Lost in Translation (with Bill Murray & Scarlett Johansen) and that was more of a friendship than romance.

I do agree though that Hollywood is controlled by rich old Jewish guys though. Only in their fantasy world could Seth Rogen play the Green Hornet. Still pissed about that ugly fatass playing a beloved comic book hero. smdh

 

[TreePixie]

What movies have 50 yr old actors paired up with 20 something actresses??? Off the top of my head the only one I can think of is Lost in Translation (with Bill Murray & Scarlett Johansen) and that was more of a friendship than romance.

I do agree though that Hollywood is controlled by rich old Jewish guys though. Only in their fantasy world could Seth Rogen play the Green Hornet. Still pissed about that ugly fatass playing a beloved comic book hero. smdh

See any movie with Liam Neeson, George Clooney (Ok, he's not 50 but getting there), Harrison Ford, Warren Beatty, Robert Redford, Sean Connery, etc, ad nauseum

 

[karmacoma.]

What movies have 50 yr old actors paired up with 20 something actresses??? Off the top of my head the only one I can think of is Lost in Translation (with Bill Murray & Scarlett Johansen) and that was more of a friendship than romance.

I do agree though that Hollywood is controlled by rich old Jewish guys though. Only in their fantasy world could Seth Rogen play the Green Hornet. Still pissed about that ugly fatass playing a beloved comic book hero. smdh

There was this one movie with Richard Gere and Winona Ryder that had all the middle-aged women in an uproar. Forgot the name

And basically every other Woody Allen movie has an old Jew with a young hottie (last one that was like that was "Whatever Works")

Also co-sign about the Green Hornet. I hate Seth Rogen

 

[TreePixie]

There was this one movie with Richard Gere and Winona Ryder that had all the middle-aged women in an uproar. Forgot the name

And basically every other Woody Allen movie has an old Jew with a young hottie (last one that was like that was "Whatever Works")

Also co-sign about the Green Hornet. I hate Seth Rogen

I forgot about Richard Gere. But I do think he's more attractive now than he was in his American Gigolo days.

 

[Morning Star]

Paniro, it's Marvel Comics and less to do with Norse Mythos. Do you think Loki (shown here):

...look remotely Aryan or Nordic in any way, shape, or form? No! Marvel's version of Thor and Asgard can be interpreted anyway the creators feel like. And this is no different. A video game, TOO HUMAN, took Norse Mythology and mixed it with cyberpunk a theme. Good story too. In other words, Idris Ebla playing Heimdall is no different than Chris Hemsworth playing the role of Thor. Why? It's because they aren't Nordic nor of Scandinavian origin and it's a comic book franchise loosely based on Norse Mythos.

If it was a movie in which it speaks on Norse Mythology in it's purist form, then the directors would hire authentic Nordic/Scandinavian actresses and actors and keep the story and setting within that story line. THEN, your post would hold merit. However, this isn't the case. It's a Marvel franchise and loose Norse story mainly in characters and to some extent, setting.

uhmm there should have not been a black guy playing that role in thor because thor is based in norse mythology. there should have been no reason to be PC about that alot of other movies yeah but in situations like that no they should not have had a black guy playing that part.

 

[TreePixie]

Paniro, it's Marvel Comics and less to do with Norse Mythos. Do you think Loki (shown here):

...look remotely Aryan or Nordic in any way, shape, or form? No! Marvel's version of Thor and Asgard can be interpreted anyway the creators feel like. And this is no different. A video game, TOO HUMAN, took Norse Mythology and mixed it with cyberpunk a theme. Good story too. In other words, Idris Ebla playing Heimdall is no different than Chris Hemsworth playing the role of Thor. Why? It's because they aren't Nordic nor of Scandinavian origin and it's a comic book franchise loosely based on Norse Mythos.

If it was a movie in which it speaks on Norse Mythology in it's purist form, then the directors would hire authentic Nordic/Scandinavian actresses and actors and keep the story and setting within that story line. THEN, your post would hold merit. However, this isn't the case. It's a Marvel franchise and loose Norse story mainly in characters and to some extent, setting.

Agreed, it strays quite far afield from traditional Norse mythology (and while I'm no expert in that, I'm familiar - I'm better with Celtic mythology).

NEVER mess with Loki. He's bad news.

 

[Morning Star]

Hahahaha, indeed. And I'm recollecting the story of Loki tricking Baldur to his death.

Agreed, it strays quite far afield from traditional Norse mythology (and while I'm no expert in that, I'm familiar - I'm better with Celtic mythology).

NEVER mess with Loki. He's bad news.