help..wonderful white women/parents

ReginaStar said:
Clearly you don't know the history of the Scottish and Scot Irish our you wouldn't have made such stupid untrue remarks about them. Tell me what history books have you read on them?
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ROLFMAO!! Have you got an hour or two for me to list them? I don't have that long to type up the list.
 
ReginaStar said:
UM yeah even if you did not know how the word originated it's was quite clear you knew the word was insult towards someone who is white. So therefore you KNEW it was a racial slur.
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regina... i have never tried to call you out...but u are sooooo wrong. why can't you just stop.
 
TreePixie said:
I *am* part Scots, and my mother is a genealogist. I'm quite well aware of Scots history. I'm a many-times great niece of Robert the Bruce.

BTW Braveheart was so egregiously fucking WRONG historically I could barely sit through it. And no, the Irish did not become Catholic because of the Romans. St. Patrick was not active until the second part of the 5th C BCE, though much of what we know of him was from post-7th C hagiographies. Saint Ciaran Saighir was active in Ireland prior to Patrick, and was the first bishop of Ossary.

Palladius was sent to Ireland in the wake of the Pelagian controversy, probably to ensure that what the church considered heresy did not spread to Ireland. Patrick was a Brit, captured and indentured in Ireland. Some hagiographers attempted to "blend" the two into one person.

More?
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LOL I have no idea if it's wrong I have watched since it aired and I knew noting of the history at that time. But I do know it's a movie based on historical facts but they always change crap no movie is ever accurate. But the point was simply to say the Scots were fighting them cause they was trying to take their land. If you knew then then why try and say there wasn't bad blood between them?

Now I haven't studied Irish history only have picked up bits and pieces of stuff I can't argue with u on that subject but I do know that supposedly they have St. Patrick's day for that reason. Atleast that is what I remember when I looked up what it was once.
This Palladius guy are you saying he didn't get Catholic religion from the Romans?
 
ktplay said:
regina... i have never tried to call you out...but u are sooooo wrong. why can't you just stop.
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As many of you as you would like can try to team up against me all you want and makes no difference. Yall can deny facts all you like but their still fact. Article after article will state these are derogatory words towards whites and not only that but the Scot Irish origins. SMDH I mean seriously that some serious denial right there. Is it really that important for yalls little clan to be right that yall deny the obvious.
 
LOL My husband don't even know nothing about the origins of the word and crap but I just asked him if hillbilly was a racist word. He said Yes. Even he fully aware it's a way to insult white people. And he's a KS man good lord.
 
ReginaStar said:
LOL I have no idea if it's wrong I have watched since it aired and I knew noting of the history at that time. But I do know it's a movie based on historical facts but they always change crap no movie is ever accurate. But the point was simply to say the Scots were fighting them cause they was trying to take their land. If you knew then then why try and say there wasn't bad blood between them?

Now I haven't studied Irish history only have picked up bits and pieces of stuff I can't argue with u on that subject but I do know that supposedly they have St. Patrick's day for that reason. Atleast that is what I remember when I looked up what it was once.
This Palladius guy are you saying he didn't get Catholic religion from the Romans?
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Please find me a quote where I said there was no bad blood between Scotland and England. I'll wait.

There is a huge difference between taking poetic license, and wholesale invention of history, which is what Braveheart did. If you were not aware of that, please do not attempt to pass yourself off as some sort of expert on Scots history, because people will be laughing so hard they'll pass out from lack of oxygen.

As far as Palladius is concerned, did no one teach you about the fall of the Roman Empire in high school? A period of about 230 years, culminating circa 476 when Odoacer deposed the last Roman emperor Romulus Augustus, though many would cite 410 when Rome was sacked.

However, 383 is the end of the control of Rome over western and northern Britain when the troops were withdrawn from those areas. In 409, Roman magistrates were expelled from the cities in Britain, and in 410, Honorius requested the withdrawal of all troops from Britain, and wrote a letter advising the Britons to defend themselves.
 
ReginaStar said:
LOL My husband don't even know nothing about the origins of the word and crap but I just asked him if hillbilly was a racist word. He said Yes. Even he fully aware it's a way to insult white people. And he's a KS man good lord.
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Hillbilly can not possibly be a racist word _by definition_.
A racist word refers to all people of a specific race and as hillbilly does not refer to all white people, it simply doesn't not fit the description of a racist word by definition. It may be derogatory, but not racist.
I think you just cant admit to being wrong.
 
FG said:
Hillbilly can not possibly be a racist word _by definition_.
A racist word refers to all people of a specific race and as hillbilly does not refer to all white people, it simply doesn't not fit the description of a racist word by definition. It may be derogatory, but not racist.
I think you just cant admit to being wrong.
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We have a winner, folks!
 
ReginaStar said:
As many of you as you would like can try to team up against me all you want and makes no difference. Yall can deny facts all you like but their still fact. Article after article will state these are derogatory words towards whites and not only that but the Scot Irish origins. SMDH I mean seriously that some serious denial right there. Is it really that important for yalls little clan to be right that yall deny the obvious.
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WTF...okee dokee then...poor little (pun) white girl fell in love with a black man and has to defend it with all sorts of bullshit. it seems to me you go to the extreme. i don't rely on the writings of others to justify my actions or emotions.... nor do i try to reason with an unreasonable mind. BTW u need to work on your syntax and writing style..not to mention word choice. ( i know it when i see it)
 
BTW Regina

Nineteen of the fifty-six signers of the Declaration of Independence were Scots, or of Scots ancestry, or were from Ulster.

I don't think anyone ever described them as "hillbillies" or "rednecks" though I imagine they were called traitors by the British.
 
TreePixie said:
Exactly. The Irish were considered "lesser" because they were Catholic - that was religious bigotry, not an ethnic or racial one. The Scots, on the other hand, had a whole lotta folk involved in the US right from the founding, including a number of the founding fathers.
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Well here u stated that the Irish were considered less b/c of their religion not the ethnic group. This is not true. They were considered less b/c of their religion AND their ethnic group. Scots were also considered less that b/c of their ethnic group and both were scots.
Then u made it sound like there was no issue between the Scot Irish and and the British in the US just b/c they had a little political power completely ignoring the fact they were oppressed as a ethnic group. Hillbilly and Redneck were terms for them by the british to insult them b/c of their bad blood inwhich redneck has origins over in Europe.
 
ktplay said:
WTF...okee dokee then...poor little (pun) white girl fell in love with a black man and has to defend it with all sorts of bullshit. it seems to me you go to the extreme. i don't rely on the writings of others to justify my actions or emotions.... nor do i try to reason with an unreasonable mind. BTW u need to work on your syntax and writing style..not to mention word choice. ( i know it when i see it)
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As well as spelling and grammar. I'm trying very hard not to be the grammar police.
 
TreePixie said:
Nineteen of the fifty-six signers of the Declaration of Independence were Scots, or of Scots ancestry, or were from Ulster.

I don't think anyone ever described them as "hillbillies" or "rednecks" though I imagine they were called traitors by the British.
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UM seriously 1776? They came to America in the early 1600's. We currently have a half black president but that doesn't change the fact that racism agaisnt blacks has occurred all through American history and STILL occurs today even though Obama is president.

Please read some books on this before making such untrue statements.

The origins of this term are Scottish and refer to supporters of the National Covenant and The Solemn League and Covenant, or Covenanters, largely Lowland Presbyterians, many of whom would flee Scotland for Ulster (Northern Ireland) during persecutions by the British Crown. The Covenanters of 1638 and 1641 signed the documents that stated that Scotland desired the Presbyterian form of church government and would not accept the Church of England as its official state church.

Many Covenanters signed in their own blood and wore red pieces of cloth around their necks as distinctive insignia; hence the term Red neck, which became slang for a Scottish dissenter. One Scottish immigrant, interviewed by the author, remembered a Presbyterian minister, one Dr. Coulter, in Glasgow in the 1940's wearing a red clerical collar - is this symbolic of the rednecks? Since many Ulster-Scottish settlers in America (especially in the South) were Presbyterian, the term was applied to them, and then, later, their Southern descendants. One of the earliest examples of its use comes from 1830, when an author noted that red-neck was a name bestowed upon the Presbyterians. It makes one wonder if the originators of the ever-present redneck jokes are aware of the term's origins?
 
ReginaStar said:
LOL My husband don't even know nothing about the origins of the word and crap but I just asked him if hillbilly was a racist word. He said Yes. Even he fully aware it's a way to insult white people. And he's a KS man good lord.
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Wait if a KS bm said it it must be true. My apologies. I totally see the light and hope you can forgive me.

He Regina what did the five fingers say to the face?
 
TreePixie said:
As well as spelling and grammar. I'm trying very hard not to be the grammar police.
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I have ignored that since she started posting. But, I assume that to be a part of lack of sophistication and the region where she lived, what was it again, the Appalachians??

I guess I have to repeat what I said before and tell her that I have used the term hillbilly and ghetto to describe people of all races. It's not about any race, it's about the traits they exhibit, plain and simple.

In fact, I would say that her writing style is definitely a bit ghetto.
 
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ktplay said:
WTF...okee dokee then...poor little (pun) white girl fell in love with a black man and has to defend it with all sorts of bullshit. it seems to me you go to the extreme. i don't rely on the writings of others to justify my actions or emotions.... nor do i try to reason with an unreasonable mind. BTW u need to work on your syntax and writing style..not to mention word choice. ( i know it when i see it)
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LOL. What exactly am I defending? Oh so you got issues with the word clan huh? You do realize that it's clan not Klan lol and were talking about SCOTTISH people whom were divided into family CLANS. And that a clique which what we have here is a CLAN.
 
ReginaStar said:
Well here u stated that the Irish were considered less b/c of their religion not the ethnic group. This is not true. They were considered less b/c of their religion AND their ethnic group. Scots were also considered less that b/c of their ethnic group and both were scots.
Then u made it sound like there was no issue between the Scot Irish and and the British in the US just b/c they had a little political power completely ignoring the fact they were oppressed as a ethnic group. Hillbilly and Redneck were terms for them by the british to insult them b/c of their bad blood inwhich redneck has origins over in Europe.
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Which has jack crap to do with the 14th C conflict between Scotland and England, which really picked up steam with the death of Alexander III and of the Maid of Norway. This left Scotland without a monarch, and Edward I was asked to decide which Scots noble should take the crown. He chose the more easily controlled John Balliol. Even at this time, both British and Scots nobles owned land and titles on both sides of the border.

No, hillbilly and redneck were not terms for the British to insult Scots-Irish. The thrones of Scotland and England were conflated in 1603, when on the death of Elizabeth I of England, James VI of Scotland also became James I of England.

I suspect, however, that the "bad blood" to which you are referring is from the time of the Jacobite uprising in 1745 (see: Battle of Culloden) and the clearing of the Highlanders. The Jacobite uprising was the attempt to put "Bonnie Prince Charlie" on the throne of England, and was greatly influenced by the French (who had longstanding ties to Scotland), who were then at war with England (as part of the larger war of the Austrian Succession). By this date, please note, the Scots-Irish had long been in America, so Culloden and the Jacobite uprising were really *not* an influence.
 
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