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Please find me a quote where I said there was no bad blood between Scotland and England. I'll wait.

There is a huge difference between taking poetic license, and wholesale invention of history, which is what Braveheart did. If you were not aware of that, please do not attempt to pass yourself off as some sort of expert on Scots history, because people will be laughing so hard they'll pass out from lack of oxygen.

As far as Palladius is concerned, did no one teach you about the fall of the Roman Empire in high school? A period of about 230 years, culminating circa 476 when Odoacer deposed the last Roman emperor Romulus Augustus, though many would cite 410 when Rome was sacked.

However, 383 is the end of the control of Rome over western and northern Britain when the troops were withdrawn from those areas. In 409, Roman magistrates were expelled from the cities in Britain, and in 410, Honorius requested the withdrawal of all troops from Britain, and wrote a letter advising the Britons to defend themselves.

I'm familiar with the fall of Rome yes and I know about the Roman soldiers leaving the Britons and they were attacked by hmm can't think of name but they were in the South of Scotland. I don't remember specifics. And I know about the Anglo Saxons coming in to help them fight but then taking over. And then the Normans took over. But no I don't remember a bunch of specific stuff of individual people. Again I asked was palladius not Roman nor learn Catholicism from the Romans?
 
UM seriously 1776?

Really. So your claims about the bad blood between Scots and British, if you check your dates, are a tad off.



Please read some books on this before making such untrue statements.

You cited the HISTORY channel and Braveheart and you're telling *me* to go read a book. Please, girl. Do you even know what a primary source is?

And the bit below is clearly *not* your words, which website did you cut and paste from?

The origins of this term are Scottish and refer to supporters of the National Covenant and The Solemn League and Covenant, or Covenanters, largely Lowland Presbyterians, many of whom would flee Scotland for Ulster (Northern Ireland) during persecutions by the British Crown. The Covenanters of 1638 and 1641 signed the documents that stated that Scotland desired the Presbyterian form of church government and would not accept the Church of England as its official state church.

Many Covenanters signed in their own blood and wore red pieces of cloth around their necks as distinctive insignia; hence the term Red neck, which became slang for a Scottish dissenter. One Scottish immigrant, interviewed by the author, remembered a Presbyterian minister, one Dr. Coulter, in Glasgow in the 1940's wearing a red clerical collar - is this symbolic of the rednecks? Since many Ulster-Scottish settlers in America (especially in the South) were Presbyterian, the term was applied to them, and then, later, their Southern descendants. One of the earliest examples of its use comes from 1830, when an author noted that red-neck was a name bestowed upon the Presbyterians. It makes one wonder if the originators of the ever-present redneck jokes are aware of the term's origins?
 
I'm familiar with the fall of Rome yes and I know about the Roman soldiers leaving the Britons and they were attacked by hmm can't think of name but they were in the South of Scotland. I don't remember specifics. And I know about the Anglo Saxons coming in to help them fight but then taking over. And then the Normans took over. But no I don't remember a bunch of specific stuff of individual people. Again I asked was palladius not Roman nor learn Catholicism from the Romans?


And you're telling me to go read a book??? Dear gods and little green monsters what *have* you been smoking? :weedman:
 
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I lost my response I had typed so gonna make this reply simple. The fight for the Land borders and redneck origin is the Bishops war.
 
Regina,
I think I've made my point about my grasp of history.

I'll make one last point here, and then, as you always like the last word, I'll let you have it.

I grew up in Boston, where there was a history of each wave of immigrants being put lowest on the totem pole. For example, when the Irish arrived, they were treated poorly, and insults suck as "mick" were used freely. When they rose to the top, and the Italian immigrants came in, again, ethnic slurs were used. However. Ethnic slurs between differing groups of people OF THE SAME RACE are not racism. They are ethnic slurs. There is a difference. If it's one you do not grasp, I'd suggest you consult either the American Heritage, or preferably the unabridged Oxford dictionary.
 
Really. So your claims about the bad blood between Scots and British, if you check your dates, are a tad off.





You cited the HISTORY channel and Braveheart and you're telling *me* to go read a book. Please, girl. Do you even know what a primary source is?

And the bit below is clearly *not* your words, which website did you cut and paste from?

HA I cited Braveheart cause even those that have never picked up a book in their should have atleast seen that movie and know things were not peaces and cream.

Dates off how exactly? Mass emigration to the US being in the 1600's right around the same time of the Bishop war. They were called rednecks from then on out. By 1776 they had started to prove themselves especially considering they were largely responsible for winning the war.
As if online websites are not enough. Born Fighting is a book. Read it some time.
 
Hillbilly can not possibly be a racist word _by definition_.
A racist word refers to all people of a specific race and as hillbilly does not refer to all white people, it simply doesn't not fit the description of a racist word by definition. It may be derogatory, but not racist.
I think you just cant admit to being wrong.

This.

WTF...okee dokee then...poor little (pun) white girl fell in love with a black man and has to defend it with all sorts of bullshit. it seems to me you go to the extreme. i don't rely on the writings of others to justify my actions or emotions.... nor do i try to reason with an unreasonable mind. BTW u need to work on your syntax and writing style..not to mention word choice. ( i know it when i see it)

As well as spelling and grammar. I'm trying very hard not to be the grammar police.

I have ignored that since she started posting. But, I assume that to be a part of lack of sophistication and the region where she lived, what was it again, the Appalachians??

I guess I have to repeat what I said before and tell her that I have used the term hillbilly and ghetto to describe people of all races. It's not about any race, it's about the traits they exhibit, plain and simple.

In fact, I would say that her writing style is definitely a bit ghetto.

Thank you, folks. I've been trying to ignore her writing issues as well, but reading her hillbilly posts is painful. It makes her asinine rambling that much harder to take.
 
Regina,
I think I've made my point about my grasp of history.

I'll make one last point here, and then, as you always like the last word, I'll let you have it.

I grew up in Boston, where there was a history of each wave of immigrants being put lowest on the totem pole. For example, when the Irish arrived, they were treated poorly, and insults suck as "mick" were used freely. When they rose to the top, and the Italian immigrants came in, again, ethnic slurs were used. However. Ethnic slurs between differing groups of people OF THE SAME RACE are not racism. They are ethnic slurs. There is a difference. If it's one you do not grasp, I'd suggest you consult either the American Heritage, or preferably the unabridged Oxford dictionary.

I understood Fantastic to be a black male. I'm a white female. The slur was not being used against my ethnicity. It was being used against my racial group. And I don't find much difference between ethnic slurs and racial slurs. White Americans are racist toward Hispanics. That's ethnic racism but we still call it racism.
 
LOL. What exactly am I defending? Oh so you got issues with the word clan huh? You do realize that it's clan not Klan lol and were talking about SCOTTISH people whom were divided into family CLANS. And that a clique which what we have here is a CLAN.[/quoteno
blah blah blah bitch. explain it to me. i really wish you would join the present. ALL your SHIT seems to originate in the past.
 
Hillbilly can not possibly be a racist word _by definition_.
A racist word refers to all people of a specific race and as hillbilly does not refer to all white people, it simply doesn't not fit the description of a racist word by definition. It may be derogatory, but not racist.
I think you just cant admit to being wrong.

I have more than proved that I was not wrong to admit that I was wrong. I see quite the opposite going on. Evidence has been proven yet people are still denying it's an ethic slur although half a million sites list it as one and then they are denying Scot Irish origins when that too has been proven and anyone can look that up them self but yet they'd rather deny it. I do not agree with your definition of racist slur at all. That's like white people that say they are black people and they are n----rs. A racist slur is derogatory word against ones race.
 
You're not the only one.

Yeah, when someone questions my knowledge of history by quoting Billy Ray Cyrus, frankly I do want to as well.

I restrained myself. I could have written pages on any of those topics off the top of my head, as they're particular areas of interest. But it sort of would have been like beating on a stuffed animal. A bit over the top.
 
Yeah, when someone questions my knowledge of history by quoting Billy Ray Cyrus, frankly I do want to as well.

I restrained myself. I could have written pages on any of those topics off the top of my head, as they're particular areas of interest. But it sort of would have been like beating on a stuffed animal. A bit over the top.

The Billy Ray Cyrus thing was ridiculous. It did make me laugh though.

You're right; restraint is sensible because there would definitely be no point in wasting the time trying to enlighten someone who's as perceptive as a brick.
 
The Billy Ray Cyrus thing was ridiculous. It did make me laugh though.

You're right; restraint is sensible because there would definitely be no point in wasting the time trying to enlighten someone who's as perceptive as a brick.

I'm a history nut - I read primary sources for fun. I don't read *about* the founding fathers, I read what they wrote, etc. History is really my strength.
 
I'm a history nut - I read primary sources for fun. I don't read *about* the founding fathers, I read what they wrote, etc. History is really my strength.

It's a good strength to have, & primary sources are without a doubt the best way to learn & appreciate it. I enjoy history & I enjoy learning, but I'm lazy sometimes & not as avid about it as I could be.
 
It's a good strength to have, & primary sources are without a doubt the best way to learn & appreciate it. I enjoy history & I enjoy learning, but I'm lazy sometimes & not as avid about it as I could be.

It's just something I've loved all my life, and I passed that love on to my son, apparently. He just graduated with his BA in History.
 
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