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Regardless of what someone has done, if they serve their time and are released then they get to move on and people need to leave them be. That's how our society works, and you cannot embrace the parts that you like and toss out the parts you don't, it simply wouldn't remain a cohesive legal system if you did. Rehabilitation is a successful concept for many, and the only statistical evidence I have seen where rehabilitation fails the majority of the time is for pedophiles and rapists. So to punish someone forever for something they did, served their time for, and now regret and in some cases are trying to contribute to raising awareness on, is IMO simply inappropriate. I say good for Vicks for coming out and not letting the past hold him back, and I am an animal lover who finds what he did despicable, just not unforgivable.


Really, Espy?

So, show me the results of rehabilitation from violent criminals in prison.

It's something like 90% of violent offenders that go back to prison because they repeat.

Dude, if you are forced to suffer unspeakably forever for the murder, rape, abuse or another human being or animal, it's sure going to deter anyone else from ever doing it.

I stand by my original post. I don't even care if you guys agree. I really don't. It's not like what I say is going to change anything in this world. I'm just more disgusted at what we as a country allow to go on in the name of fucking sports....'oh, it's okay, because he can win us the championship'... who.fucking.cares?
 
DB-I sense hate towards athletes, lol. What have they ever done to you? At least these guys bust their ass, provide entertainment, some even are role models for lots of kids, inspire inner city kids or kids who come from nothing to do better, pay taxes, and put the name of their city on the map. Unlike your royal family, these guys do something valuable. What the fuck have the royal family done lately? Beside being born into the right family, sucking the blood out of society like a leech and living a privileged life with out doing squat. Fuck Prince William and his wife Kate and every other monarch, they can suck my fat black dick.
 
I guess I would tend to more forgive him. Sometimes people are raised to think something is ok that really isn't. If you live in a home or part of the country where animals are used in fighting and such for entertainment. In your mind you *think* you aren't doing anything wrong. Much as children who are abused become abusers. They live it and they think it's the way it is. You and I come from good homes. We know right and wrong. Some people need to be forgiven and shown the wrong of it.

Agreed. This level of ignorance is more common than people realize, & it is truly sad. Many grow up thinking those things are normal, & have no clue until taught otherwise. If someone truly repents for something they've done, I say they should be forgiven.

I'm surprised at this sudden desire to boycott Nike over Michael Vicks. I haven't purchased a Nike product since the early 90's when their unscrupulous production methods were exposed. They outsource to factories outside the US to side-step issues like paying minimum wage, limiting work hours, not employing children, etc. They appear to be a bunch of greedy bastards, and nearly as I can tell they have been for a long damn time. They did revise their policies in the last decade to make it appear as though they learned their lesson, however organizations like Educating for Justice that check up on them still find that though they have improved in some factories, they're still using sweatshop labor tactics in others. Nike has made the news numerous times over their mistreatment of workers, producing their products as cheaply as possible, and overpricing them horrendously so they can pay celebrities to endorse them. But only now are people concerned, because of Michael Vick's conviction for abusing animals... Nike has been abusing humans for decades, many of them children... some folks need to adjust their priorities.




I also agree with Jordan, some people simply aren't raised well, they truly don't understand what's right and wrong as those concepts tend to be defined during childhood by your familial influences. I wouldn't think that would need to be explained, as rather clearly an awful lot of people are raised to become racists by ignorant people, and that's what they become because that's all they know. Again obviously some of them learn how wrong that is once they are older and can think, question, and reason for themselves. I can understand that if Vicks was raised with no regard for animals, that he wouldn't see anything wrong with that. I can also believe that he could learn from his mistake and change. I don't believe anyone should be made to pay for a mistake for the rest of their life if they truly did not know what they were doing was wrong, and they admit that it was, and they feel remorse.




As for the concept that everyone convicted should suffer in unspeakable ways forever, I sure cannot get behind that and frankly that assertion makes me ill. We have laws that protect against cruel and unusual punishment for a reason, because no matter what a person has done, they're still a human being. There are also plenty of wrongly convicted people, just check out Project Innocence as Andrae mentioned. In fact the number of people who were railroaded into a conviction because they were illiterate, mentally challenged, or from a variety of 'disadvantaged' groups, is enough to make you realize justice is seriously flawed for far too many. William Blackstone stated 'better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer'. While guilty people going free is not a comforting thought, the thought of someone spending life in prison or receiving the death penalty for something they did not do is more chilling.

Regardless of what someone has done, if they serve their time and are released then they get to move on and people need to leave them be. That's how our society works, and you cannot embrace the parts that you like and toss out the parts you don't, it simply wouldn't remain a cohesive legal system if you did. Rehabilitation is a successful concept for many, and the only statistical evidence I have seen where rehabilitation fails the majority of the time is for pedophiles and rapists. So to punish someone forever for something they did, served their time for, and now regret and in some cases are trying to contribute to raising awareness on, is IMO simply inappropriate. I say good for Vicks for coming out and not letting the past hold him back, and I am an animal lover who finds what he did despicable, just not unforgivable.


Excellent post. :smt023
 
Really, Espy?

So, show me the results of rehabilitation from violent criminals in prison.

It's something like 90% of violent offenders that go back to prison because they repeat.

Dude, if you are forced to suffer unspeakably forever for the murder, rape, abuse or another human being or animal, it's sure going to deter anyone else from ever doing it.

I stand by my original post. I don't even care if you guys agree. I really don't. It's not like what I say is going to change anything in this world. I'm just more disgusted at what we as a country allow to go on in the name of fucking sports....'oh, it's okay, because he can win us the championship'... who.fucking.cares?


"I really don't give a flying fuck about people who are wrongly accused and convicted- there aren't enough of them to really make a difference to the overall justice system. Plain and simple. "

The reason most violent offenders go back to jail is more circumstantial than its this inate desire to hurt people. A lot of people who are convicted are poor people and are kept in a cycle of crime for life. They don't have the money to fight a case even if they are innocent. You know how many convicted criminals make deals to avoid longer time even though they didn't do it. Look it up kid.

Btw prison is torture for most and it doesn't deter a thing. I get where your post is coming from I really do but you're coming a little erratic babe.
 
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Do you really believe in this polarized racial environment that we live in that he could have been elected President saying that he was bi racial man or a man that was half white and half black?

Might be a strange analogy, but we more easily accept gay than we except bi-sexual in men as well. (I know, I know, a lot of guys think biwomen are hot).

We seem to have a lot of trouble in this country when we don't have a label that "fits"...a lot of folks, hearing a man is bi, also say "No, he's just pretending not to be gay." And a lot of folks, hearing bi racial say "No, he's just pretending not to be black."

Shades of grey confuse people. We like neat little boxes, and not everyone fits nicely, so we pretend they do.
 
Might be a strange analogy, but we more easily accept gay than we except bi-sexual in men as well. (I know, I know, a lot of guys think biwomen are hot).

We seem to have a lot of trouble in this country when we don't have a label that "fits"...a lot of folks, hearing a man is bi, also say "No, he's just pretending not to be gay." And a lot of folks, hearing bi racial say "No, he's just pretending not to be black."

Shades of grey confuse people. We like neat little boxes, and not everyone fits nicely, so we pretend they do.

I never bought bi sexuality for one reason many of these people wouldn't commit to someone of the same sex. Especially bi-men and from all the women I've known to be that way would have girlfriends in college or grad school but once it came time to "grow up" they went man hunting. I could be off but that's been my observation. Bi-men generally don't go back and forth from having boyfriends and girlfriends.
 
yeah i really do. blacks knew he was half black and so he got 95 percent of the black vote. wasn't like there was some sort of secret everyone knew and knows he is half black.

What you identify with often means more than what you are. He says he's a progressive democrat but he's really a right leaning democrat if you can even call him that but democrats will still vote for him
And you know as well as I do half black is just plain black in this country. No distiction.
 
Oh Lawd here comes the race discussion again & again. I am sure Regina the racialist will be reporting soon for duty.
 
Really, Espy?

So, show me the results of rehabilitation from violent criminals in prison.

It's something like 90% of violent offenders that go back to prison because they repeat.

Dude, if you are forced to suffer unspeakably forever for the murder, rape, abuse or another human being or animal, it's sure going to deter anyone else from ever doing it.

I stand by my original post. I don't even care if you guys agree. I really don't. It's not like what I say is going to change anything in this world. I'm just more disgusted at what we as a country allow to go on in the name of fucking sports....'oh, it's okay, because he can win us the championship'... who.fucking.cares?

I agree. I am a sports nut, but Vick crossed the line. I believe he NOW regrets what he did, but he doesn't deserve another dog, even though he lamented in an interview that he wants one.

Most prisoners become worse criminals IN PRISON, so where is the rehab? Have people looked inside a prison lately?
In fact last night at the Madrid/Union Soccer game, I was talking to a security Supervisor who was a retired Camden prison C/O - 25 yrs on the job and a first respondent task force officer for unruly inmates (or words to that effect, his title was long when he said it, lol)...anyway he loved his job but told me there are true bad asses to-the-core who end up in jail.
 
pffffffttttttt....

DB-I sense hate towards athletes, lol. What have they ever done to you? At least these guys bust their ass, provide entertainment, some even are role models for lots of kids, inspire inner city kids or kids who come from nothing to do better, pay taxes, and put the name of their city on the map. Unlike your royal family, these guys do something valuable. What the fuck have the royal family done lately? Beside being born into the right family, sucking the blood out of society like a leech and living a privileged life with out doing squat. Fuck Prince William and his wife Kate and every other monarch, they can suck my fat black dick.

i'll believe it's fat & black when i see it
 
I stand by my original post. I don't even care if you guys agree. I really don't. It's not like what I say is going to change anything in this world. I'm just more disgusted at what we as a country allow to go on in the name of fucking sports....'oh, it's okay, because he can win us the championship'... who.fucking.cares?
Well..... if Sports didn't exist, or they were largely ignored, perhaps obesity would be much higher than it currently already is in the United States and across the world.
 
Well..... if Sports didn't exist, or they were largely ignored, perhaps obesity would be much higher than it currently already is in the United States and across the world.

Hmmm Lil' Mikey bumping up dead controversial threads again

Don't fall for it, people
 
In context, what I said to DB was still important for me to say, regardless of when I came in here to make a post.

Anyways, another sponsor dropped Tiger Woods today, it was Tag Heuer, the maker of prestigious sports watches. I think we need to know, so that's why I'm posting to let people know.

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...-sponsor-tag-heuer-spilt-part-ways-amicable/1

IMO, this topic isn't dead yet, there's more to talk about that we haven't touched up upon.
 
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