Spider-Man to be mixed

The death of Peter Parker? New guy has to take the lead. Let's see how he develops.

And you know what sucks? You have comic purists who want to keep Spider-Man white. Ehhhh...isn't Spidey in a mask anyway? So why would it matter?
 
This is not the mainstream "real" Spider-Man. It's the Spider-Man for an alternate line of comics called "Ultimate Marvel." Marvel introduced this line of comics back in 2000/2001 as a way to attract new readers by playing "what if the Marvel Universe had began in the 21st century" without having to erase the 50 plus years worth of comic history they created. This is also where the idea for the Samuel L. Jackson version of the character Nick Fury that has been seen in the Marvel movies comes from, since in the mainstream Marvel Universe the character is white & in the Ultimate he's black.
 
I love the idea of a multi-ethnic super heros, but honestly i would prefer a new character with there own identity over taking an already established character and swapping there race.
 
Thump said:
I love the idea of a multi-ethnic super heros, but honestly i would prefer a new character with there own identity over taking an already established character and swapping there race.
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I totally agree. What's next? A black superman?
 
The bright side its in a alternate universe so comic fans aren't butt hurt. Also what would be the point in crying over it, i could only see whining if his name was peter parker and he was mixed. The only comic fans that will be upset are the SF members.
 
Thump said:
I love the idea of a multi-ethnic super heros, but honestly i would prefer a new character with there own identity over taking an already established character and swapping there race.
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Not possible. People here don't read comics or do research within the industry so I'm going to drop some knowledge.

The current comic book demographic is 85% caucasian older males who only read comics of their childhood. Minority characters don't sell, and new characters don't sell. With no new readership in sight, comic sales has been at their lowest since they started collecting data in 1990 from diamond in 1990.

Marvel and DC has tried many times to create brand new characters but because of the current demographic that comics have, their series end up being cancelled and they are placed on the shelf. The only way that characters appear to make it that are new is to become "legacy" characters of characters that are already established. Meaning an offshoot of spider-man, batman, etc.

Hence why you have "race swapping", it's there way of providing a more diverse comic book world with a demographic that clearly doesn't want to read about minority heroes. Because as more and more superhero movies are made, there would definitely be some negative press that literally all the heroes getting major shots is white. Look at the avengers coming up, if it wasn't for the change of Nick Fury to Samuel Jackson, the entire team of the "world's greatest superheroes" would've been white.

A big reason for DC's reboot is to try and get more minority readership. DC new reboot has establish quite a few new characters as well as rising older minority characters into power. But if new minority readership doesn't start entering comics, I can see a lot of the new DC reboot minority series being cancelled.
 
babybro said:
Not possible. People here don't read comics or do research within the industry so I'm going to drop some knowledge.

The current comic book demographic is 85% caucasian older males who only read comics of their childhood. Minority characters don't sell, and new characters don't sell. With no new readership in sight, comic sales has been at their lowest since they started collecting data in 1990 from diamond in 1990.

Marvel and DC has tried many times to create brand new characters but because of the current demographic that comics have, their series end up being cancelled and they are placed on the shelf. The only way that characters appear to make it that are new is to become "legacy" characters of characters that are already established. Meaning an offshoot of spider-man, batman, etc.

Hence why you have "race swapping", it's there way of providing a more diverse comic book world with a demographic that clearly doesn't want to read about minority heroes. Because as more and more superhero movies are made, there would definitely be some negative press that literally all the heroes getting major shots is white. Look at the avengers coming up, if it wasn't for the change of Nick Fury to Samuel Jackson, the entire team of the "world's greatest superheroes" would've been white.

A big reason for DC's reboot is to try and get more minority readership. DC new reboot has establish quite a few new characters as well as rising older minority characters into power. But if new minority readership doesn't start entering comics, I can see a lot of the new DC reboot minority series being cancelled.
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In other words the comic book industry has basically become "inbred" because the mostly white fanboys that grew up reading comics are now the ones in charge and are basically making comics for themselves and not the general public. No new readers are coming in because it's an exclusive "old school nerds only" club and everything taking place in stories nowadays can only be followed if you have been reading comics continuously for the last twenty years or so. The current fans turned professional comic creators crowd long ago broke one of the cardinal rules of comic book reading & sales created by Stan Lee himself : Always treat every comic book issue produced easy to relate to & follow similar to a first issue, because more than likely it may actually be the first issue for a new reader.
 
Eye of Ra said:
In other words the comic book industry has basically become "inbred" because the mostly white fanboys that grew up reading comics are now the ones in charge and are basically making comics for themselves and not the general public. No new readers are coming in because it's an exclusive "old school nerds only" club and everything taking place in stories nowadays can only be followed if you have been reading comics continuously for the last twenty years or so. The current fans turned professional comic creators crowd long ago broke one of the cardinal rules of comic book reading & sales created by Stan Lee himself : Always treat every comic book issue produced easy to relate to & follow similar to a first issue, because more than likely it may actually be the first issue for a new reader.
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Well that's the thing, that's why DC and partially marvel is trying to change that. A big issue was 30+ years of continuity to have to worry about. A lot of readers get confused when a current issue mentions something that happen in say superman in freakin 1986.

Ultimately, the comic book industry is dying. In the 1990's, comics would sell in the 400k range easily, with spawn topping the charts in the mil range.
Now, there biggest sales in a year comes from their "events", a mini series where usually the biggest stars from all across the company come together to stop some major threat. They are considered the most important issues put out each year, and this year, both Marvel's Event Fear Itself and DC's event Flashpoint didn't even break the 100k range.

If they did continue the way they did, and sales continue to drop, than it's a good chance that comics would stop being printed in the next 7-10 years.

With that said, there is nothing token or race swapping about miles, his first issue completely showed him to be a different character than peter parker.
 
Maybe the paperback issues will die out, but that's due to new technology and people can access them online via file sharing or other. Also, it's indirectly competing against Japan and their manga, which has gain a lot of traction since Japanese anime and manga are a growing source of popularity in the "nerd/geek world".

Superhero comics can still find relevancy in this day and age. But we're dealing with technology that can strain number sales. It's just that they need to be more resourceful by uploading the comics online as a pay service and for a limited time if they want to generate a little more profit. Perhaps a subscription service would better help them as well.

babybro said:
Well that's the thing, that's why DC and partially marvel is trying to change that. A big issue was 30+ years of continuity to have to worry about. A lot of readers get confused when a current issue mentions something that happen in say superman in freakin 1986.

Ultimately, the comic book industry is dying. In the 1990's, comics would sell in the 400k range easily, with spawn topping the charts in the mil range.
Now, there biggest sales in a year comes from their "events", a mini series where usually the biggest stars from all across the company come together to stop some major threat. They are considered the most important issues put out each year, and this year, both Marvel's Event Fear Itself and DC's event Flashpoint didn't even break the 100k range.

If they did continue the way they did, and sales continue to drop, than it's a good chance that comics would stop being printed in the next 7-10 years.

With that said, there is nothing token or race swapping about miles, his first issue completely showed him to be a different character than peter parker.
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babybro said:
Well that's the thing, that's why DC and partially marvel is trying to change that. A big issue was 30+ years of continuity to have to worry about. A lot of readers get confused when a current issue mentions something that happen in say superman in freakin 1986.

Ultimately, the comic book industry is dying. In the 1990's, comics would sell in the 400k range easily, with spawn topping the charts in the mil range.
Now, there biggest sales in a year comes from their "events", a mini series where usually the biggest stars from all across the company come together to stop some major threat. They are considered the most important issues put out each year, and this year, both Marvel's Event Fear Itself and DC's event Flashpoint didn't even break the 100k range.
If they did continue the way they did, and sales continue to drop, than it's a good chance that comics would stop being printed in the next 7-10 years.

With that said, there is nothing token or race swapping about miles, his first issue completely showed him to be a different character than peter parker.
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The Direct Sales market that popped up in the mid-late 1980's can also be looked at as a factor in the slow death of the comics industry. Comic books today are sold primarly in Comic Books Shops unlike back in the 70's & early 80's (when I mostly read them)and even earlier when they were available pretty much everywhere standard magazines, periodicals and newspapers were sold. That plays a part in limiting the exposure and avaliablity of comic books to the casual reader/general public. That's how I got a lot of comics back in the day because my parents or an aunt or uncle would casually pick up comics for me or my cousins to read if they picked up magazines or the newspaper for themselves. Other adults where I lived growing up did the same with their kids as well. Unless you are someone already into comic books most people don't go into a comic shop on a regular basis. I only go into comic shops now as an adult because of my kids and don't do it on a regular basis at that because it's done more as a "funtime with dad" activity thing.
 
BlackBelt79 said:
http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/08/02/spider-man-new-ultimate-black-hispanic/



Been years since I collected comic books, I wonder how this is going to be.
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finally a super hero I can relate to! not one effing black hispanic super hero. and I bet they take this away.

This should be a fantastic comic because it is a kid trying to fill Peter's shoes. He'll always be in Peter's shadow though. much like the new batman is in bruce wayne's(although dick is the best damn substitute for the job. and is much more fun )
 
BigBrotherWise said:
Maybe the paperback issues will die out, but that's due to new technology and people can access them online via file sharing or other. Also, it's indirectly competing against Japan and their manga, which has gain a lot of traction since Japanese anime and manga are a growing source of popularity in the "nerd/geek world".

Superhero comics can still find relevancy in this day and age. But we're dealing with technology that can strain number sales. It's just that they need to be more resourceful by uploading the comics online as a pay service and for a limited time if they want to generate a little more profit. Perhaps a subscription service would better help them as well.
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That's what I was referring to. Statistic shows that manga dominates comic book sales and while was also hit in the economy, it's no where near as drastic as comic book sales.

Another issue comes with the direct market. DC already said screw them, and starting September, will have same day digital release as their print counterpart. The down side is that it cost the exact same as their print counterpart, 2.99. Which IMO is completely bogus. Nevertheless, Marvel isn't even that far into the game. They only just recently announce that their Spider-man and Xmen titles will begin same day release starting September, but it's far from the entire line like DC is doing.

Ultimately, one of the biggest issue is the current stranglehold the current comic book demographic is. They prefer top quality super fancy paper with limited edition varient covers, costing these comics at 3.99 a piece.
On the other hand, you can get Shonen Jump, an anthology of the most popular manga in japan in an over 200-300 page book for 5 bucks, while a comic book is barely 30 pages. It's not rocket science as to why comics is going down hill.

There is no way that comics can compete with manga, which is sold in normal channels like barnes and nobles and grocery stores, and cost much less for more pages, without drastically changing their schedule entirely. But by doing so, they can pretty much kiss their current fanbase whose steadly leaving goodbye.
 
Eye of Ra said:
The Direct Sales market that popped up in the mid-late 1980's can also be looked at as a factor in the slow death of the comics industry. Comic books today are sold primarly in Comic Books Shops unlike back in the 70's & early 80's (when I mostly read them)and even earlier when they were available pretty much everywhere standard magazines, periodicals and newspapers were sold. That plays a part in limiting the exposure and avaliablity of comic books to the casual reader/general public. That's how I got a lot of comics back in the day because my parents or an aunt or uncle would casually pick up comics for me or my cousins to read if they picked up magazines or the newspaper for themselves. Other adults where I lived growing up did the same with their kids as well. Unless you are someone already into comic books most people don't go into a comic shop on a regular basis. I only go into comic shops now as an adult because of my kids and don't do it on a regular basis at that because it's done more as a "funtime with dad" activity thing.
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Pretty much hit one of the major problems with the comic book industry right here. I just purchased a new tablet, so I'm looking forward to reading my DC books on my android tablet, as for marvel, I'll pick up their books whenever I feel like it haha.
 
archangel said:
finally a super hero I can relate to! not one effing black hispanic super hero. and I bet they take this away.

This should be a fantastic comic because it is a kid trying to fill Peter's shoes. He'll always be in Peter's shadow though. much like the new batman is in bruce wayne's(although dick is the best damn substitute for the job. and is much more fun )
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Don't be quick to get on the bandwagon yet!

The creators would ALSO wouldn't rule out making him GAY also (which is sickening by making the token black male character gay so ruling out having a relationship with Mary Jane or the blonde or any other female character which Peter Parker had relations with:mad:)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-reveal-new-Spider-Man-black-gay-future.html
 
axum said:
Don't be quick to get on the bandwagon yet!

The creators would ALSO wouldn't rule out making him GAY also (which is sickening by making the token black male character gay so ruling out having a relationship with Mary Jane or the blonde or any other female character which Peter Parker had relations with:mad:)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-reveal-new-Spider-Man-black-gay-future.html
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ha
By having him have a relationship with mary jane or the black cat, you just made a black peter parker. This is what I am talking about when I say the shadow. You want a character on his own like static shock. not just a differently colored same person hero.
 
Stupid question but, how & why would someone taking over the identity of Spider-Man even know any of the people that Peter Parker knew, especially if they are someone who was not in Peter Parker's circle of acquaintances, which I assume this new guy is?
 
Eye of Ra said:
Stupid question but, how & why would someone taking over the identity of Spider-Man even know any of the people that Peter Parker knew, especially if they are someone who was not in Peter Parker's circle of acquaintances, which I assume this new guy is?
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He shouldn't know them too well. He isn't peter. This isn't like Bruce wayne and dick garyson. at least I believe that or hope that.
 
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