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1. Please stop lying I never once said sexism didn't exist. Back it up with the post please

2. Whatever the reason is for men earning more in the relationship has nothing to do with it being an attractive quality. Good try though.

3. If its all evo psych please show me the study that claims and supports that women of marrying and child bearing age don't care what a man makes. That money has no bearing on why they choose a mate.

You've made a whole lot of statements about sexism not really being an issue for American WW. Do your own research.

Perhaps if women earned equal to men, those women who do find wealth an attractive quality wouldn't. Just sayin'

I'm not doing your research for you, I'm suggesting that you examine the studies. Who did them, what were they trying to prove in the first place, how were the studies conducted, what questions were asked and how were they worded? You can use "studies" to prove the moon is made of green cheese if thats the conclusion you're looking for.

Ages ago I posted some information on how studies are constructed, etc...and you and everyone else ignored the posts. That's ok. Like I've said a dozen times before, if you want to keep your limitations, that's your prerogative.
 
you have no problem providing link after link to support your argument now when its asked for do my own research huh?

You think income inequality is why women find a man who makes more than them attractive? Ok we're done good day to you ma'am
You've made a whole lot of statements about sexism not really being an issue for American WW. Do your own research.

Perhaps if women earned equal to men, those women who do find wealth an attractive quality wouldn't. Just sayin'

I'm not doing your research for you, I'm suggesting that you examine the studies. Who did them, what were they trying to prove in the first place, how were the studies conducted, what questions were asked and how were they worded? You can use "studies" to prove the moon is made of green cheese if thats the conclusion you're looking for.

Ages ago I posted some information on how studies are constructed, etc...and you and everyone else ignored the posts. That's ok. Like I've said a dozen times before, if you want to keep your limitations, that's your prerogative.
 
you have no problem providing link after link to support your argument now when its asked for do my own research huh?

You think income inequality is why women find a man who makes more than them attractive? Ok we're done good day to you ma'am

Posted here on the site already, DK. You know how the search function works.

One of the reasons I could give a crap about what a man makes is I was able to make my own money. Yes, money becomes a total and complete non issue when a woman can earn 6 figures on her own. You're arguing that women want men with wealth because they need someone to provide for them. I'm arguing that if women can provide for themselves, what you're saying is a "problem" ceases to be an issue at all.
 
Its not about need. Much of what we find attractive isn't needed anymore its primal. Women generally more taller muscular men because in the past those were the better hunter and protectors. In this day and age a gun equalizes everything but it doesn't stop women drooling over 6'5 dudes with 8 packs.
Same thing goes for wealth. Women being able to accumulate no inherited wealth is a recent phenomena
Posted here on the site already, DK. You know how the search function works.

One of the reasons I could give a crap about what a man makes is I was able to make my own money. Yes, money becomes a total and complete non issue when a woman can earn 6 figures on her own. You're arguing that women want men with wealth because they need someone to provide for them. I'm arguing that if women can provide for themselves, what you're saying is a "problem" ceases to be an issue at all.
 
Don't worry Nerdy, we will persist. Hopefully you'll reconsider and post, or just lurk here to see what's going on.

You also forgot to mention Goodlove, he's part of the BHMWHC too. He said that Inner Beauty was (edited because Mikey is immature) in a thread about Kate Gosselin dating.


Use your brain by reposting that comment about Inner you put it out there again. You need to delete that. Just say he made a rude remark about Inner is all that is necessary. :-|
 
You have a hard time staying on topic my friend because you're arguing what you think I said in other threads not what I actually said in this one. You also don't recognize whata question mark is because I did ask the question" is wealth not an attractive quality" do I believe it to be a statement of fact? Yes I do but I was giving you and other posters the option to really think about it but alas most of you with exception of Kunoichi take the pc route and only see what you want not what I was actually saying. And I said nothing about stacking paper I was criticizing Petty for saying that very thing and then having the nerve to pretend like I was saying some off the wall shit just to stir the pot.

What I'm beginning to see and its a very valuable lesson is that once people believe you to be a certain way no matter what you say they base their response often on how they feel about you opposed to what you actually say.
Anything on the topic of women for a lot of you when it comes to me comes off as blah blah I'm bitter and can't find a good girl blah blah money is all that matters blah blah American women are bad. No matter what points I make its written off and like I said others make the exact point and aren't treated that way. They acknowledge the factors that make one a successful dater opposed to someone who doesn't yet they aren't bitter because they are actually liked. So I appreciate the lesson that life never really stretches beyond hs for most its still a popularity contest lol.

YOU are full of shit - I'm still stating the EXACT thing I have ALL along and been on topic all along - what the fuck is wrong with you. Mr cant be wrong.

Kuno did NOT read what you originally stated, you never ASKED!!! You made a definite statement on what the reality is (and you have over and over again in many other threads)... and now, you keep moving the goal post. Sheesh.

Besides, a big part of her post disproves your original statement and also, a big part of her post is something I have said in SEVERAL posts in this fuckin thread. Her prior post, was a side discussion w Bookie and yet, you keep using it as some sort of proof that you are right. There is one person that has +sorta+ sided w you and part of her post is the exact same thing I said - but yet she is right and I am wrong .. that is fuckin hilarious. Seems to me YOU are the one that cant stay on topic or read correctly, Mr Straw man.
You even have been told by several men that your goal post is moving but you conveniently ignore their posts. and latch on to the one poster that somehow will justify you.

"people aren't reading" is your fuckin defense when the majority, including several men have told you your original point has been moving and you keep building straw men arguments and scew what people say to you as well as saying they dont read. For fucks sake, you look like a fool with that shit - You have NO other interest than being right. I'm done - I need a break from your absolute nonsense
 
YOU are full of shit - I'm still stating the EXACT thing I have ALL along and been on topic all along - what the fuck is wrong with you. Mr cant be wrong.

Kuno did NOT read what you originally stated, you never ASKED!!! You made a definite statement on what the reality is (and you have over and over again in many other threads)... and now, you keep moving the goal post. Sheesh.

Those are just wealth indicators and would you deny that wealth is attractive? (post 74 my very first post on the topic relating to wealth in this thread)

Besides, a big part of her post disproves your original statement and also, a big part of her post is something I have said in SEVERAL posts in this fuckin thread. Her prior post, was a side discussion w Bookie and yet, you keep using it as some sort of proof that you are right. There is one person that has +sorta+ sided w you and part of her post is the exact same thing I said - but yet she is right and I am wrong .. that is fuckin hilarious. Seems to me YOU are the one that cant stay on topic or read correctly, Mr Straw man.
You even have been told by several men that your goal post is moving but you conveniently ignore their posts. and latch on to the one poster that somehow will justify you.


Well Bookie and I were having a different discussion in that particular post.


As for the original discussion, Andrae asked if wealth was an attractive quality. He didn't ask if it was the only one.

But the responses were very clear...which was that the money a man makes does not factor in any shape or form in helping to decide on a relationship.

In the sole example that was used where it might factor in (and later used to represent all the women in the forums thinking), it didn't even register in the "Top 10 Things I Want in a Mate". The top ten! I mean I have to ask - exactly how many other qualities are more important- does having a great income really fall below "#10: wears matching socks" lol?? I'm kinda sensing a bit of PC on it, that's all.
Because it makes me wonder if two similarly, nice-personalitied men were genuinely wooing you, and one dined you at the local chinese takeout each night and rode you home on the bus while the other dined you at Le Bec Fin and drove you to your doorstep in a car each night, who would you gravitate towards?


I do understand your point when you cite the proof is in the numbers of women who marry average-incomed men, but as Saty pointed out; "by sheer numbers alone most men and women are not wealthy". So just by economic dating pool choices, most women WILL end up meeting and marrying average-incomed men, even if their prefer it to be otherwise, no?

I personally don't mind either way if a guy I like is wealthy or not, but I would never, ever knock a man's wealthiness down to be a negative..c'mon now. If he was wealthy, it would surely add to our life, not negate it OR our relationship, nor would I run from it based on a belief that he must be an asshole because he's well off.
(post 332 Kunoichi's response to you)

"people aren't reading" is your fuckin defense when the majority, including several men have told you your original point has been moving and you keep building straw men arguments and scew what people say to you as well as saying they dont read. For fucks sake, you look like a fool with that shit - You have NO other interest than being right. I'm done - I need a break from your absolute nonsense

I'm really happy that PHD isn't in English. I could see Creative Writing though lol :cool:

Like I said we can agree to disagree my friend. I don't want it to get nasty because its headed there. I took the time to point out that you were mistaken because I honestly feel like you and others do read selectively. Its hard to communicate if we keep doing stuff like that.
 
My darling FG, talking to a wall would get you further. I commend you for caring so much about others, but in the end, I find that its nearly impossible to get anyone to understand something when they really dont want to. An open mind is a wonderful thing, but not everyone will allow themselves to actually have one. If it were so easy so many people in the world wouldnt be stuck on blind hate with no conclusive reasons behind it. We really are our own worst enemies.
 
My darling FG, talking to a wall would get you further. I commend you for caring so much about others, but in the end, I find that its nearly impossible to get anyone to understand something when they really dont want to. An open mind is a wonderful thing, but not everyone will allow themselves to actually have one. If it were so easy so many people in the world wouldnt be stuck on blind hate with no conclusive reasons behind it. We really are our own worst enemies.

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People who go through life bitter, hateful and thinking everyone else is responsible for their unhappiness will never open their eyes and minds to what is good around them. They can't see the forrest(good) for the trees(bad).

A lot of people here whine about why they don't have a woman or need to go to Europe. Maybe people walk out of your lives because they can't take bullhead and negative bullshit all day. Some people here wear me out and I can walk away from the computer. Imagine if they were "yours" and you had to deal 24/7. Ugh.......Jaysus.

For once say............I see your point. It's a beautiful thing.

Bravo to FG on this day for trying to slay the dragon. Have a glass of wine...wait the whole bottle. You earned it. :smt056
 
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People who go through life bitter, hateful and thinking everyone else is responsible for their unhappiness will never open their eyes and minds to what is good around them. They can't see the forrest(good) for the trees(bad).

A lot of people here whine about why they don't have a woman or need to go to Europe. Maybe people walk out of your lives because they can't take bullhead and negative bullshit all day. Some people here wear me out and I can walk away from the computer. Imagine if they were "yours" and you had to deal 24/7. Ugh.......Jaysus.

For once say............I see your point. It's a beautiful thing.

Bravo to FG on this day for trying to slay the dragon. Have a glass of wine...wait the whole bottle. You earned it. :smt056
I think she earned a bottle of whiskey lol
 
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People who go through life bitter, hateful and thinking everyone else is responsible for their unhappiness will never open their eyes and minds to what is good around them. They can't see the forrest(good) for the trees(bad).

A lot of people here whine about why they don't have a woman or need to go to Europe. Maybe people walk out of your lives because they can't take bullhead and negative bullshit all day. Some people here wear me out and I can walk away from the computer. Imagine if they were "yours" and you had to deal 24/7. Ugh.......Jaysus.

For once say............I see your point. It's a beautiful thing.

Bravo to FG on this day for trying to slay the dragon. Have a glass of wine...wait the whole bottle. You earned it. :smt056

Who said anything about being unhappy? Or who blamed others for being unhappy or showed that they were bitter? I swear to all that is holy I am just trying to understand where statements like this are coming from. It's as if the subject of money comes up or weight and its taken as an immediate attack to everyone's personhood. I just have a very hard time seeing where the disconnect in communication comes from.
I'm asking you personally JC fuck everyone else for a second because more often than not you seem to have no dog in the fight as you would say so I am truly trying to understand here. Because we devolve fairly quickly in a lot of these threads and I'm wondering is it the quality or quantity of what's being said. As to your point about seeing other's point I often do, I often say I definitely understand that many of you don't think the way the mainstream thinks being on this forum is evidence alone but my biggest problem and annoyance is the denial of a mainstream all together.
Saying women don't consider wealth or success as a determining factor in dating is up there with Republicans saying tax cuts create jobs.
Everything in society seems to point to different results. I don't see the guy at working at Walmart beating them away with a stick it always seems like the doctors are the ones with a lot more options. I allow for the possibility that I am wrong but simply saying women on this board don't operate that way isn't a strong enough case since we've already established that women on this forum are different.
We are a snap judgement society and people sum you up in two seconds.
Fat your lazy
Low paying job your stupid and/or lazy
Nice car, nice home- more often than not hard worker. Stable, responsible.

Maybe our discourse is all off. Maybe words like attractive need to be replaced b gravitate towards or admire.
 
ok to whoever sent me the rep, how bout you go fuck yourself with something covered in sandpaper. How fucking original, lets go make a retarded insult about someone being overweight on the internet because Im a fucking pathetic piece of shit. You dont even fucking KNOW how i look., though i can be pretty sure you look like your mother fucked a baboon, you certainly have the intelligence level of one.
 
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People who go through life bitter, hateful and thinking everyone else is responsible for their unhappiness will never open their eyes and minds to what is good around them. They can't see the forrest(good) for the trees(bad).

A lot of people here whine about why they don't have a woman or need to go to Europe. Maybe people walk out of your lives because they can't take bullhead and negative bullshit all day. Some people here wear me out and I can walk away from the computer. Imagine if they were "yours" and you had to deal 24/7. Ugh.......Jaysus.

For once say............I see your point. It's a beautiful thing.

Bravo to FG on this day for trying to slay the dragon. Have a glass of wine...wait the whole bottle. You earned it. :smt056

Well said!
 
Who said anything about being unhappy? Or who blamed others for being unhappy or showed that they were bitter? I swear to all that is holy I am just trying to understand where statements like this are coming from. It's as if the subject of money comes up or weight and its taken as an immediate attack to everyone's personhood. I just have a very hard time seeing where the disconnect in communication comes from.
I'm asking you personally JC fuck everyone else for a second because more often than not you seem to have no dog in the fight as you would say so I am truly trying to understand here. Because we devolve fairly quickly in a lot of these threads and I'm wondering is it the quality or quantity of what's being said. As to your point about seeing other's point I often do, I often say I definitely understand that many of you don't think the way the mainstream thinks being on this forum is evidence alone but my biggest problem and annoyance is the denial of a mainstream all together.
Saying women don't consider wealth or success as a determining factor in dating is up there with Republicans saying tax cuts create jobs.
Everything in society seems to point to different results. I don't see the guy at working at Walmart beating them away with a stick it always seems like the doctors are the ones with a lot more options. I allow for the possibility that I am wrong but simply saying women on this board don't operate that way isn't a strong enough case since we've already established that women on this forum are different.
We are a snap judgement society and people sum you up in two seconds.
Fat your lazy
Low paying job your stupid and/or lazy
Nice car, nice home- more often than not hard worker. Stable, responsible.

Maybe our discourse is all off. Maybe words like attractive need to be replaced b gravitate towards or admire.

No, we've simply established that they don't use blackness as a determination on not dating someone. Other than that, we seem very much like every other group of women I've ever known.
 
ok to whoever sent me the rep, how bout you go fuck yourself with something covered in sandpaper. How fucking original, lets go make a retarded insult about someone being overweight on the internet because Im a fucking pathetic piece of shit. You dont even fucking KNOW how i look., though i can be pretty sure you look like your mother fucked a baboon, you certainly have the intelligence level of one.
I just gave you a positive rep to counter-balance the negative one you got.

:smt038 Bravo to FG on this day for trying to slay the dragon. Have a glass of wine...wait the whole bottle. You earned it. :smt056
FG, have a glass, not the entire bottle for safety reasons. Your BAC has to be below 0.8%.

Use your brain by reposting that comment about Inner you put it out there again. You need to delete that. Just say he made a rude remark about Inner is all that is necessary. :neutral:
I cannot edit/delete it, it is too late. Besides, this is the negative thread anyway.
 
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