IR Action on Pan Am TV Series

luvattractivewomen said:
I posted a second link showing that Will was the first to get that role. Also, it is what it is, I have been called the N word by people with black partners and or bi-racial children as much as I have by the common everyday White Power types. Keep in mind that some Actors and Actresses adopt Children like some people adopt pets.
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How can you be certain Keanu was the second one offered the role and not say, Tom Cruise?? Maybe we assume that it was offered to only two people when in fact someone hasn't piped up saying she is talking about me not Will. :-? Maybe Keanu was third??
 
Soulthinker said:
Like that scene and if the characters go to Alabama it would be explosive. Kid that is indeed true you can count with your fingers of American actresses who had a love scene with a Black actor. The foreign actresses have more courage and guts.
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You could also probably count on two hands the amount of love scenes black guys have gotten period. Damn. If you guys still don't understand THAT you will never really get it. The sexuality of black men in general is denied/ignored by Hollywood. Hollywood doesn't want to utilize black guys that are too good looking and don't want to imply that those guys are having sex. Without even reading the posts in the thread about the SafeHouse trailer I'm going to guess many of you are excited about seeing your boy, Denzel again. But look carefully. Who is the lead in the film with his shirt off in a few clips and with a hot half-naked woman laying on his bed? It is the white guy. How often, dudes, do you see a black man being put in that position in a film? How often do you see a movie stress the desirability and attractiveness of a black man? How often do you see a black man getting laid in Hollywood films?

That, people, is the first battle because from what I can tell it ain't just white American actresses that are rarely seen hooking up with black guys on screen. I think in the past ten years black actresses have had more love scenes with white men in mainstream films than they have had with black men.
 
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JamalSpunky said:
You could also probably count on two hands the amount of love scenes black guys have gotten period. Damn. If you guys still don't understand THAT you will never really get it. The sexuality of black men in general is denied/ignored by Hollywood. Hollywood doesn't want to utilize black guys that are too good looking and don't want them imply that those guys are having sex. Without even reading the posts in the thread about the SafeHouse trailer I'm going to guess many of you are excited about seeing your boy, Denzel again. But look carefully. Who is the lead in the film with his shirt off in a few clips and with a hot half-naked woman laying on his bed? It is the white guy. How often, dudes, do you see a black man being put in that position in a film? How often do you see a movie stress the desirability and attractiveness of a black man? How often do you see a black man getting laid in Hollywood films?

That, people, is the first battle because from what I can tell it ain't just white American actresses that are rarely seen hooking up with black guys on screen. I think in the past ten years black actresses have had more love scenes with white men in mainstream films than they have had with black men.
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Bolded part is true.
 
Frederick said:
I ain't ignoring shit. You're being obtuse as usual. Dude had two on screen IR romances with a foreign actress and a no name American actress. Like I said before, name me one big name American actress who's in her prime (other than Olivia Wilde) who's done an on-screen IR. You keep pointing to the article that points out that it's the people who make the films who decide when there's going to be on screen IR romance. Nobody ever claimed that white American actresses decide when there's going to be IR in a script. We said that they don't take the jobs when they're available. .
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The burden of proof is on you to prove 1)that there were all of these "available jobs" involving IR for white actresses to choose from and 2)they turned it down because they wanted no part of it.
 
Frederick said:
I ain't ignoring shit. You're being obtuse as usual. Dude had two on screen IR romances with a foreign actress and a no name American actress. Like I said before, name me one big name American actress who's in her prime (other than Olivia Wilde) who's done an on-screen IR. You keep pointing to the article that points out that it's the people who make the films who decide when there's going to be on screen IR romance. Nobody ever claimed that white American actresses decide when there's going to be IR in a script. We said that they don't take the jobs when they're available. You think that the powers-that-be in Hollywood also just keep passing up over famous American actresses for foreigners and no name domestic talent on a whim on rare occasions that they are casting IR roles? Get real. When the parts are available, high-profile American actresses don't want to take them.
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The Dark Knight said:
Originally the point was made to reflect A list actresses who do have a say. I don't know how we got to the chick from FNL who btw hasn't been able to get any decent roles since. The last thing she did was Wonder Woman which never got aired. Kind of interesting.
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Man, no one held her role next to Gaius against her so stop with the conspiracies. She had maybe 2 minutes of screen time with Gaius during that show; her true love interest was one of the white male stars of the series.

Smash (Gaius) did have another white love interest played by an American actress who had a recurring role on the series anyway.
 
JordanC said:
How can you be certain Keanu was the second one offered the role and not say, Tom Cruise?? Maybe we assume that it was offered to only two people when in fact someone hasn't piped up saying she is talking about me not Will. :-? Maybe Keanu was third??
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Maybe, maybe not, but the fact of the matter remains that they were both in fact the first choices and she said she couldn't see herself with the person that they had in mind. So, if I wanted to pretend the world is a wonderful place where a person could star in a film with, date, or marry whomever they wanted regardless of race without any issues and problems affecting your life and or children I suppose that I could see it that way. But, I live in reality. And the fact of the matter remains, you will not see an A list actress doing an IR love scene and still have a career (unless she busts her ass to get it back). So, they don't choose Black Actors. In addition, A list actresses get the script and the possible actor that they want to star opposite them before they decide. One of the perks of being an A List Actress. This is life and unfortunately the way it is. I know it may be hard for some to believe, but there is as much racism in Hollywood as there is everywhere else.
 
luvattractivewomen said:
Agreed. I would be hard pressed to find an A list Actress who would do an IR scene. But, that is just life. For the record, A list Actresses get to see the script and find out who they want in the film before they decide if they want to do it...Just FYI
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At any given time there about ten actresses who have any true power. And unless their names are Meryl Streep, the movies they appear in will be more about their male co-stars anyway. And guess what? Virtually all those male co-stars will be white because 95% of the screenwriters, and they tend to write movies about white men. Denzel and Will may get cast in a few of these roles but understand that is simply color-blind casting. The vast majority of roles that Denzel, Will and virtually every black lead have played was originally written for white males. That's the truth. When the studios do go with a black guy you can bet the script is not a very highly sought script and you can also bet the character is not one with an active sex life or a character whose sexuality is played up. This is because studios are uncomfortable dealing with black men as sexual beings and they are even more worried about who they will pair with those black men. Cast a black actress and now all of a sudden it becomes a black film; cast a white actress and you are shattering the ultimate taboo. So Denzel and Will will get roles in films that typically have very little to do with romance or sex.

So...to get back to my point....if these roles are in films that do deal with the subjects of lust, romance and sex a white male is almost always getting that role. So when they look for an A level actress (white or otherwise) to come aboard and play the key female co-star, a white guys is already entrenched as the star. So if these actresses are turning down roles in such films, they are not doing so because black guys are the leads. Black guys almost never get those parts so that's not going to be a problem for any white actress.

And let me add that the number of quality roles for women are so small, actresses are not turning down many roles of good scripts simply because they don't like the actors involved.
 
luvattractivewomen said:
Maybe, maybe not, but the fact of the matter remains that they were both in fact the first choices .
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That is in dispute. Supposedly the W. Brothers had three to five other guys they wanted in the role BEFORE they settled on Keanu. Yes, Will Smith was one of them, maybe the first guy they wanted (maybe). But we can't say for sure that Sandra was referring to Will.
 
JamalSpunky said:
At any given time there about ten actresses who have any true power. And unless their names are Meryl Streep, the movies they appear in will be more about their male co-stars anyway. And guess what? Virtually all those male co-stars will be white because 95% of the screenwriters, and they tend to write movies about white men. Denzel and Will may get cast in a few of these roles but understand that is simply color-blind casting. The vast majority of roles that Denzel, Will and virtually every black lead have played was originally written for white males. That's the truth. When the studios do go with a black guy you can bet the script is not a very highly sought script and you can also bet the character is not one with an active sex life or a character whose sexuality is played up. This is because studios are uncomfortable dealing with black men as sexual beings and they are even more worried about who they will pair with those black men. Cast a black actress and now all of a sudden it becomes a black film; cast a white actress and you are shattering the ultimate taboo. So Denzel and Will will get roles in films that typically have very little to do with romance or sex.

So...to get back to my point....if these roles are in films that do deal with the subjects of lust, romance and sex a white male is almost always getting that role. So when they look for an A level actress (white or otherwise) to come aboard and play the key female co-star, a white guys is already entrenched as the star. So if these actresses are turning down roles in such films, they are not doing so because black guys are the leads. Black guys almost never get those parts so that's not going to be a problem for any white actress.

And let me add that the number of quality roles for women are so small, actresses are not turning down many roles of good scripts simply because they don't like the actors involved.
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Not to mention that the moment a White Woman and a Black Man are in the film together it is considered an "Interracial Film" and not just a film. Read about the Pelican Brief and how they had to remove the love scene with Denzel and Roberts...
 
JamalSpunky said:
That is in dispute. Supposedly the W. Brothers had three to five other guys they wanted in the role BEFORE they settled on Keanu. Yes, Will Smith was one of them, maybe the first guy they wanted (maybe). But we can't say for sure that Sandra was referring to Will.
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It's a 50/50 chance, but, assuming that each actress doesn't purposely choose roles that don't involve IR is ridiculous. Think of actresses that have done IR with Black Men and let me know how their careers are doing. As with most things, it's controlled by producers so even if an Actress was open to the idea of it, the moment she gets on the A list...it's a NO NO... It's kind of like that teenage girl who would be open to date whomever and marry whomever if it wasn't for that inheritance that she is waiting on.
 
luvattractivewomen said:
Not to mention that the moment a White Woman and a Black Man are in the film together it is considered an "Interracial Film" and not just a film. Read about the Pelican Brief and how they had to remove the love scene with Denzel and Roberts...
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I can't say if such films are automatically considered interracial films because the sampling is so damn small. And that's the tragedy of it all.

As for "Pelican Brief" Denzel and John Grisham were the ones against any indication of a relationship between the two characters. Julia and the director of the film were all for it. Guess who won out?
 
luvattractivewomen said:
Maybe, maybe not, but the fact of the matter remains that they were both in fact the first choices and she said she couldn't see herself with the person that they had in mind. So, if I wanted to pretend the world is a wonderful place where a person could star in a film with, date, or marry whomever they wanted regardless of race without any issues and problems affecting your life and or children I suppose that I could see it that way. But, I live in reality. And the fact of the matter remains, you will not see an A list actress doing an IR love scene and still have a career (unless she busts her ass to get it back). So, they don't choose Black Actors. In addition, A list actresses get the script and the possible actor that they want to star opposite them before they decide. One of the perks of being an A List Actress. This is life and unfortunately the way it is. I know it may be hard for some to believe, but there is as much racism in Hollywood as there is everywhere else.
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To be fair Reese Witherspoon did a film with Bokeem Woodbine in the 90s where they were romantically linked but the whole film wasn't centered around that. I get what you're saying though. There will never be a Titantic or A Notebook with bm and a ww or even an action movie like James Bond with a black man but to be fair Hollywood to this day hires too many damn one dimensional bm. Outside of Denzel and possibly Wesley Snipes most of them are incredibly one dimensional unless they're from another country like my boy Idriss or that black dude from Blood Diamond. And yeah that includes Will Smith's wack ass. He may gross a lot but like his rap career that dude is weak to me. He just gets great scripts. With the exception of The Pursuit Of Happiness(he owned the hell out of that)
 
JamalSpunky said:
I can't say if such films are automatically considered interracial films because the sampling is so damn small. And that's the tragedy of it all.

As for "Pelican Brief" Denzel and John Grisham were the ones against any indication of a relationship between the two characters. Julia and the director of the film were all for it. Guess who won out?
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That was my point. It can be "Career Suicide" for either parties. Denzel the "Black Woman's Dream Man" at the time, hooking up with a white woman would not go over well for his career. The point of the matter is it goes both ways. But I wouldn't begin to pretend that the actors and actresses involved have no say or opinions on the matter. That is just ridiculous. However, that is my opinion. And obviously not yours.
 
The Dark Knight said:
To be fair Reese Witherspoon did a film with Bokeem Woodbine in the 90s where they were romantically linked but the whole film wasn't centered around that. I get what you're saying though. There will never be a Titantic or A Notebook with bm and a ww or even an action movie like James Bond with a black man but to be fair Hollywood to this day hires too many damn one dimensional bm. Outside of Denzel and possibly Wesley Snipes most of them are incredibly one dimensional unless they're from another country like my boy Idriss or that black dude from Blood Diamond. And yeah that includes Will Smith's wack ass. He may gross a lot but like his rap career that dude is weak to me. He just gets great scripts. With the exception of The Pursuit Of Happiness(he owned the hell out of that)
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She wasn't an A-lister at the time.
 
luvattractivewomen said:
It's a 50/50 chance, but, assuming that each actress doesn't purposely choose roles that don't involve IR is ridiculous. Think of actresses that have done IR with Black Men and let me know how their careers are doing. .
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Again your argument doesn't hold because you have nothing to judge by. These actresses MAY react in the way you suggest if they were put to the test, but THE FACT REMAINS such IR pairings are very scarce and are not even under consideration in the first place. You are placing blame on actresses without grasping that they almost never get put in such a position to make that career choice. How else can I put it? It is bad enough you guys want to take the leap and make assumptions about the prejudices of all these ladies, but it is even more insane to make claims they are running away from IR opportunities. They don't have to run. They can be without one leg and diagnosed with arthritis, and they wouldn't have to work up a sweat to dodge IR films. That's because when it comes to those involving black men/white women Hollywood isn't investing in making such films in the first place.
 
The Dark Knight said:
But it didn't stop her from becoming one either but I do see your point. Kind of how JLO stopped all association with bm as soon as she became an A lister. Funny enough she played a ww more than a lw in her career too.
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And how long did it take her? It doesn't have to stop you, but it can seriously slow down the process. And honestly, go to anyone and ask them the name of that movie she was in where she was with a BM. 9 times out of 10 they will have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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