IR Action on Pan Am TV Series

luvattractivewomen said:
That was my point. It can be "Career Suicide" for either parties. Denzel the "Black Woman's Dream Man" at the time, hooking up with a white woman would not go over well for his career. The point of the matter is it goes both ways. But I wouldn't begin to pretend that the actors and actresses involved have no say or opinions on the matter. That is just ridiculous. However, that is my opinion. And obviously not yours.
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No, that wasn't your point. The point you and almost every guy in this thread have made is that it is the fault of white actresses because they are afraid for their careers.

You guys have not been pointing most of the blame at the system and Hollywood in general. But I'm happy that you did touch upon Denzel's cowardice which was in stark contrats to Julia's who WAS WILLING to go there.
 
JamalSpunky said:
Again your argument doesn't hold because you have nothing to judge by. These actresses MAY react in the way you suggest if they were put to the test, but THE FACT REMAINS such IR pairings are very scarce and are not even under consideration in the first place. You are placing blame on actresses without grasping that they almost never get put in such a position to make that career choice. How else can I put it? It is bad enough you guys want to take the leap and make assumptions about the prejudices of all these ladies, but it is even more insane to make claims they are running away from IR opportunities. They don't have to run. They can be without one leg and diagnosed with arthritis, and they wouldn't have to work up a sweat to dodge IR films. That's because when it comes to those involving black men/white women Hollywood isn't investing in making such films in the first place.
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True enough but its interesting how you never see box office draws like Will Smith romantically paired with anyone. He hasn't even been paired with a bw since 2003 in Bad Boys 2.
I wonder if they write it one way then when they consider him as a lead rewrite it another way because I have yet to see a movie wear a white guy is the lead and he's not fucking his hot co-star. If IROBOT had starred Brad Pitt he would have fucked the hell out of that scientist.
 
JamalSpunky said:
No, that wasn't your point. The point you and almost every guy in this thread have made is that it is the fault of white actresses because they are afraid for their careers.

You guys have not been pointing most of the blame at the system and Hollywood in general. But I'm happy that you did touch upon Denzel's cowardice which was in stark contrats to Julia's who WAS WILLING to go there.
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Oh, OK... you can read my mind...that's great :P. Read my post previous to that. It affects careers, and that was the point of the post previous to that. LOL... and I don't remember calling any of these women cowards. I personally would prefer to excel at my career than make a statement with a film that could destroy it. But, obviously you are getting heated and upset and I don't want you to go into a hissy fit, So, I will leave it at that.
 
JamalSpunky said:
No, that wasn't your point. The point you and almost every guy in this thread have made is that it is the fault of white actresses because they are afraid for their careers.

You guys have not been pointing most of the blame at the system and Hollywood in general. But I'm happy that you did touch upon Denzel's cowardice which was in stark contrats to Julia's who WAS WILLING to go there.
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Also Charlize Theron had a scene with Will Smith in Hancock. It got cut but that wasn't her doing. She took the part and made the scene. Her career is fine. I think she is considered A list.
 
luvattractivewomen said:
And how long did it take her? It doesn't have to stop you, but it can seriously slow down the process. And honestly, go to anyone and ask them the name of that movie she was in where she was with a BM. 9 times out of 10 they will have no idea what you are talking about.
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Selma Blair was hinted at liking the black guy from Save The Last Dance in Cruel Intentions even though nothing happened and his character was hinted at having sex with Sarah Michelle Gellar even though nothing happened on screen there either.
 
luvattractivewomen said:
And how long did it take her? It doesn't have to stop you, but it can seriously slow down the process.
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WTF? Was she supposed to become a star overnight. It takes time and you have to be lucky. Otherwise every 10000 would-be actresses who arrive in Hollywood each year would eventually become A-listers too. That film with Bokeem was one of her first and the one that first made her reputation as a young actress to watch. It didn't hurt her career nor did it slow it down.


And honestly, go to anyone and ask them the name of that movie she was in where she was with a BM. 9 times out of 10 they will have no idea what you are talking about.
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Was that part of the equation? A white actress has to choose to be in a film in which she has a black male love interest and that film has to be very well known to boot?
 
The Dark Knight said:
True enough but its interesting how you never see box office draws like Will Smith romantically paired with anyone. He hasn't even been paired with a bw since 2003 in Bad Boys 2.
I wonder if they write it one way then when they consider him as a lead rewrite it another way because I have yet to see a movie wear a white guy is the lead and he's not fucking his hot co-star. If IROBOT had starred Brad Pitt he would have fucked the hell out of that scientist.
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It's true, but think about it this way, the actress in the film isn't doing much, and whether you agree or not Black Male A listers are products of their female fan base (just as White Female A Listers are products of their male fan base). The moment they do that IR scene either group goes up in arms. When was the last time you heard a comedian say "Halle Berry is so damn fine"? As I tried to explain to jamal before he started getting spunky, the career is the driving force for the actress (or actor, I would have mentioned both, but the topic was on actresses). In regards to the studios, they want to sell to what a person will see. And Whites being the main consumers, they aren't paying movie theatre prices to see IR (unless it's of the Monster's Ball Variety). But, as a rule I tend to leave threads when people start getting sensitive, so this is my last post in this one. I think the points were valid, but at the end of the day, it's all money based. And as I said previously, I would rather make A-list money than make C-list IR Film statements...
 
JamalSpunky said:
WTF? Was she supposed to become a star overnight. It takes time and you have to be lucky. Otherwise every 10000 would-be actresses who arrive in Hollywood each year would eventually become A-listers too. That film with Bokeem was one of her first and the one that first made her reputation as a young actress to watch. It didn't hurt her career nor did it slow it down.




Was that part of the equation? A white actress has to choose to be in a film in which she has a black male love interest and that film has to be very well known to boot?
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OK, one last post. Yes, that is a part of the equation, and the whole turn this thread was taking was about A list actresses and actors, not someday-a-list actors and actresses. Last post until you take a chill pill Mr. Spunky.
 
The Dark Knight said:
True enough but its interesting how you never see box office draws like Will Smith romantically paired with anyone.
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Interesting? That would suggest that it is a surprise or that it is suspicious. It is neither. It should have been obvious for a long time the double standard Hollywood enforces and yet black guys have been taking it and being silent about it forever. Look, we have been discussing this topic for at least as long as I've been around on this forum but we are still getting posters who act as if they are covering new ground.

Yes, Hollywood has a problem pairing black men with white women in mainstream motion pictures. Yes, Hollywood has a problem with portraying black men as sex symbols. Yes, it is tiring.


He hasn't even been paired with a bw since 2003 in Bad Boys 2.
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Well, Rosario may count. and what about Salli Richardson in "I Am Legend" and Thandi in that flick he did with Jaden? But the bigger issue may be that he rarely has a true love interest of any color.

I wonder if they write it one way then when they consider him as a lead rewrite it another way because I have yet to see a movie wear a white guy is the lead and he's not fucking his hot co-star.
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I think we can safely assume that that has happened.


If IROBOT had starred Brad Pitt he would have fucked the hell out of that scientist.
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No doubt, sir. No doubt.
 
luvattractivewomen said:
Oh, OK... you can read my mind...that's great :P. Read my post previous to that. It affects careers, and that was the point of the post previous to that. LOL... and I don't remember calling any of these women cowards. I personally would prefer to excel at my career than make a statement with a film that could destroy it. But, obviously you are getting heated and upset and I don't want you to go into a hissy fit, So, I will leave it at that.
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In other words you can't win this argument so you'll walk away from it. I'm cool with that.
 
JamalSpunky said:
Interesting? That would suggest that it is a surprise or that it is suspicious. It is neither. It should have been obvious for a long time the double standard Hollywood enforces and yet black guys have been taking it and being silent about it forever. Look, we have been discussing this topic for at least as long as I've been around on this forum but we are still getting posters who act as if they are covering new ground.

Yes, Hollywood has a problem pairing black men with white women in mainstream motion pictures. Yes, Hollywood has a problem with portraying black men as sex symbols. Yes, it is tiring.




Well, Rosario may count. and what about Salli Richardson in "I Am Legend" and Thandi in that flick he did with Jaden? But the bigger issue may be that he rarely has a true love interest of any color.



I think we can safely assume that that has happened.





No doubt, sir. No doubt.
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Rosario didn't count nor did Salli Richardson nor did Thandi Newton. No kiss no romance and he didn't kiss any of those women in the movies let alone bang them.
 
JordanC said:
Also Charlize Theron had a scene with Will Smith in Hancock. It got cut but that wasn't her doing. She took the part and made the scene. Her career is fine. I think she is considered A list.
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Actually "Hancock" went out of its way to cut back on the relationship between the two characters. The original story idea (and perhaps the original script) was more about the affair the two characters were having. The film was originally called "Tonight He Comes" and was supposed to be about a superhero who struck up a romance with an everyday woman (not sure if the character was supposed to be married). That wasn't the movie we got. That's okay. But not only did they not play up Smith and Theron's relationship, they didn't even hint at any in the trailers. If it was a white guy even that brief kiss between him and Theron would have been in the trailer.
 
luvattractivewomen said:
OK, one last post. Yes, that is a part of the equation, and the whole turn this thread was taking was about A list actresses and actors, not someday-a-list actors and actresses. Last post until you take a chill pill Mr. Spunky.
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Oh, my rebuttals is an example of me losing self-control? Please. I won't apologize for not accepting your false argument. Make a better case and I won't shoot your (or any other poster's) points down. There are may areas in this topic I agree with you guys, but the main arguments you folks have championed in this thread are a bit shaky.
 
The Dark Knight said:
Rosario didn't count nor did Salli Richardson nor did Thandi Newton. No kiss no romance and he didn't kiss any of those women in the movies let alone bang them.
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He did kiss his wife (Salli Richardson) in "I Am Legend". He did kiss and have sex with Rosario in "Seven Pounds". No, he didn't do anything with Thandie in that other flick because the movie started with their relationship coming apart.
 
JamalSpunky said:
He did kiss his wife (Salli Richardson) in "I Am Legend". He did kiss and have sex with Rosario in "Seven Pounds". No, he didn't do anything with Thandie in that other flick because the movie started with their relationship coming apart.
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My bad I thought you were referring to Men In Black 2 when you said Rosario.
 
Lets focus on the positive for a second, shall we?

There have been several IR on TV both commercials and shows as well as in movies. The trend is that it is - ever so slowly getting more common - compared to 10 years ago.

I think the biggest villains in this are not actresses or actors - its more the influence of the big wigs that rules Hollyweird (yes I am aware of both bm and ww concern of the fan base but still, the biggest villains in this is the producers etc). We need more bm/bw in there.

Hopefully, as the old guard dies off (i.e., old fart white men), we will see more of it.

It is changing, not as fast as I would like, but still....
 
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