orejon4
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I am all in support of this, but there is child support and there is spousal support. Totally in support of the former, almost totally opposed to the latter, except in cases as noted above.
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I am all in support of this, but there is child support and there is spousal support. Totally in support of the former, almost totally opposed to the latter, except in cases as noted above.
kind of a catch 22 isn't it...if you have toddlers at home then more than likely the mother of those toddlers is going to live in the same lap of luxury as the children...you also have to take into account that these are the children of someone very famous...they can't live just anywhere...
orejon4
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Many courts award both amounts separately. I think any guy should give as much as he can afford for the maintenance of his children. As a guy who loves his son with all his heart, I would give my son the shirt off my back. His mother: not so much. LOL. I wouldn't pee on her if she was on fire.
I just don't think that a woman giving birth to a rich guy's kids entitles her to a work-free life. Once those kids are school age, she's got to go back to work. He shouldn't be forced to subsidize luxury for his ex. Granted, these are EXTREMELY rare circumstances. Most divorces of average people involve child support primarily.
The Dark King
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In my case, I really didn't have much of a choice. The first year we were married, we moved three times because of his career. Then we lived overseas for 3 years where dependent spouses were not permitted to work off-base. The only jobs available on-base were government jobs or jobs working at the commissary/exchange and those were left to enlisted spouses. My ex then went to post-grad school and while I could have worked there (and did have a home-based business along with just about every other wife), he was so involved with school and studying that it would have been counterproductive for me to work. Plus, we would've laid out more in expenses associated with me working than I would've earned. Then we moved three more times until he ended up in medical school. A year and a half later, the marriage was over.
In many cases, unless the wife has substantial earning power, it just doesn't pay for her to work while the children are very young. When you add up all the costs associated with the wife working (childcare, gas, clothing expenses, time lost when children are sick), it's often not worth the second income.
Stop trying to justify your infidelity.
The Dark King
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So you don't feel there was anything you could have done differently?
The Dark King
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He is but he makes sense. Men don't value sex the way women do and that is the big disconnect between us.
Bliss
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She can't? Your source better tell Tiger's brother that, lol.
If you think for a second she would agree that she could never take her kids home to Sweden...hmmm. Within her legal rights, she could have easily argued Tiger was an extremely poor parent based on his reckless choices to engage in multiple infidelities. Not to mention that can be interpreted as neglect of his children's time, since he chose to spend it with his hoes instead. She could have also argued that he is a sex addict, unfit to fully parent. The golf ball was in her court with the kids, and you know that.
Courts also all the time do not keep parents close...many parents move to other States with full court backing. Many judges keep a child away from one parent - period, even if they live 5 minutes away. So while Tiger is rich, he's not above the laws that protect children's welfare in divorces.
Not really. We were too transient. Even if I had worked here and there, I wouldn't have been anywhere long enough to contribute to a retirement plan or put anything of value away for just my future. Not only that, we didn't go into marriage thinking that I needed to provide for a future without him (due to divorce.) As I said earlier, when you're in love, you're not thinking about that. You believe that your relationship will be the one that will endure.
The Dark King
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The fact that you think that its appropriate leverage speaks volumes my friend. He did all his cheating away from home. And if it was argued he was an addict it can also be argued he sought treatment and the behavior has been repeated. Ex cons with murder raps get visitation rights I don't think this dude she kept away from his kids because the wife doesn't love him anymore. Its like what GL is always bitching about. Women who use the kids as weapons against the father. That's down right dispicable and far worst than cheating because even if the cheating is an direct cause of family rift ripping the kids away from their father is far worst. It devalues the man's presence in their life and reduces him to a check book. If that's all he's seen as anyway its no wonder he cheated.
orejon4
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I disagree with Kuno a bit about the custody issue. Tiger's status as a citizen versus his ex's status as a resident alien (assuming that's the case) would tilt the court in favor of him and his children as US citizens. The courts are loathe to let a non-citizen remove US citizen minor children from the country against the permission of the US citizen parent. There are commonly provisions made for the permission/acquiescence of the citizen parent, if at all. That is something that I deal with in my own divorce proceedings.
Loki
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I could be wrong but this is all speculation as I don't believe the settlement documentation was ever disclosed publicly. While we can agree that Tiger's infidelities were beyond the pale (especially if the lack of condom use, per the word of some of his mistresses are true) there are a multitude of factors that come into play in family court. In most cases the courts look to keep the parents close by unless there is provable abuse. Infidelity, even multiple infidelities, would most likely not rise to the level of abuse. Simply put the kids do not belong to one parent to do with as they please.
The Dark King
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Iguess that's the problem with youth. All passion no brains. Been there myself. Gave away a years worth of tuition to a girl I" loved". At the time we'd been together for 2 years and thought we'd get married. Dumb decision but gained an invaluable lesson. I'm always first no matter what my emotions tell me. People aren't even faithful and truthful to themselves and i'd be stupid to do rely on someone to give me what they can't even give themselves. Its hard coming to the realization that happily ever after isn't the path for everyone and sometimes you have to achieve that on your own. But I think I'm stronger for it.
Player gets played out by woman smarter than he thought.
Happens every day. Not new.
Domestic labour has value according to family law, because the person completing it does so at the expense of earning a personal income to benefit the family unit.
Now, is anyone saying smiling nice for thousands of cameras so your husband can continue profiting from his clean image, though you know he's a 'ho is not a form of very exhausting domestic labour?
Remember, the separation happened after cover was blown. Otherwise they may have continued living separately in private like many famous couples do.
Happens every day. Not new.
Domestic labour has value according to family law, because the person completing it does so at the expense of earning a personal income to benefit the family unit.
Now, is anyone saying smiling nice for thousands of cameras so your husband can continue profiting from his clean image, though you know he's a 'ho is not a form of very exhausting domestic labour?
Remember, the separation happened after cover was blown. Otherwise they may have continued living separately in private like many famous couples do.
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The Dark King
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What's always annoyed me about that train of thought is the assumption that the person who is working isn't making the biggest contribution of all. My dad drove a taxi during the crack era in NYC to provide for his family, the man literally risked his life but that contribution is deemed as valuable. And before someone says "who is saying that it isn't valuable" apparently the court since one contribution requires a supplementary stipend and another doesn't. No one takes into account the fact that the mom CAN'T stay at home unless the father works and for regular guys having to pay to alimony and child support(which is normally the case) forces a man to not live the lifestyle he was accustomed to and it doesn't matter who cheats or who leaves its usually the person who earns more. There are dudes living in studio apartments because they still have a mortgage, alimony, car note, and child support to pay.
More evidence that marriage is a fools game unless both parties acknowledge it can and will most likely end and should prepare accordingly.
pettyofficerj
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this is looking like an econ lecture with opportunity costs and shit
right up Dre's alley
The Dark King
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Hah.. Yeah.
I understand what you are saying as well but dre, in reality no system is perfect and there are always outcomes on both sides that people view as inequitable. People can't accept a dispassionate, rational view when there is so much hurt involved.