Trayvon Martin's Murder

[andreboba]

This guy sounds like a mess.

That's a bombshell detail about Zimmerman's background and could really be damaging if this guy is brought in as a character witness for the prosecution.

It suggests that Zimmerman more than likely started the confrontation, threw the first punch and just flat out murdered this kid.
Most people look at Zimmerman as this mild mannered overzealous do-gooder, when in reality he probably never should have been authorized to carry a firearm.

I really hope they're investigating the hell out of Zimmerman's background since it's unlikely this is the only time he's had a temper problem.

 

[goodlove]

That's a bombshell detail about Zimmerman's background and could really be damaging if this guy is brought in as a character witness for the prosecution.

It suggests that Zimmerman more than likely started the confrontation, threw the first punch and just flat out murdered this kid.
Most people look at Zimmerman as this mild mannered overzealous do-gooder, when in reality he probably never should have been authorized to carry a firearm.

I really hope they're investigating the hell out of Zimmerman's background since it's unlikely this is the only time he's had a temper problem.

he also had run ins with the law. he had a scuffle with the cops one time

 

[Mikey]

Good post, JordanC. This should be wrapped up within 2 weeks or so.

Then we can all move on with our lives when a resolution takes place.

 

[goodlove]

Good post, JordanC. This should be wrapped up within 2 weeks or so.

Then we can all move on with our lives when a resolution takes place.

dream on. LOL

 

[orejon4]

I have to agree with goodlove. I have a sneaking suspicion that they are going to try to drag this out as long as possible, hoping that people's interest will turn elsewhere and then they can let this guy off scot-free. The only way justice will be done is if the Feds do not relinquish this investigation back into local hands.

 

[Bliss]

I don't know who did this because Martin sure in hell didn't. So I guess you are hypothetically speaking. Hell yes I should be charged. You can't shoot and kill someone over a bar fight. I have a handgun permit and if I shoot and kill someone then they bette have had a gun, bat, knife, metal pipe etc and coming towards me. Then "stand my ground" would save me from capital murder. Other wise a life sentence here I come.You can't shoot and kill someone because he's kicking your ass wth his fists and no weapon.

Yes, most definitely my example was hypothetical. In fact, as I have said before which you may have missed, iff Trayvon had had a gun he would have been justified to kill Zimmerman in defense.

My example was not a bar fight where others may help you. I asked specifically if you are alone, being beaten and strangled. While perhaps a fist isn't legally a lethal weapon, it can be used lethally. (this might explain why with professional boxers and martial artists the law mirks somewhat).

When Oscar McMillian brutally beat Lakeysha Addison into unconsciousness and an inch of her life and then took his mouth and bit her left eye out of the socket, I see his actions of using his strength, girth and body parts one of lethal force. Her shooting him in defense would be justified, IMO.

If I am walking and a man kidnaps me by shoving me into his car and he punches my face while taking me to a place to rape and then kill me, I'm going to shoot him. If I am in bed and a man with no weapon breaks in to my home and begins to rape me while he punches my face breaking my bones knocking my teeth out and is strangling me, as soon as I get my fingers on the trigger, he's getting a bullet in his head. Maybe two.

And I should NOT go to jail for life, like you think I should.

I'm assuming you feel that someone must have a weapon for you to defend your life lethally..and that may be because you are a male of size and/or skilled in fighting..I don't know. But to an innocent victim who is accosted, assaulted, beaten and is being strangled to death, shooting them would be justified. This is why it relieves me that you only have your opinion and you do not make the laws.

 

[pettyofficerj]

Lady you just like reaching for the sake of reaching. You simply just don't hae a clue. If someones comes into your house then its open season. If a man kidnaps you its open season. No jury in the world would convict in either case. But if you are in a fist fight and pull your gun and kill, then here comes a life sentence for murder. Attempting kidnapping and burgarly? Lady this stuff is no brainer. You and your crazy comparisons are crazy. Example. Me if I'm out and a guy is causing a problem with me I may exchange a few words but I will alk away. Now if he continues to follow and be the aggressor now he about to fuck around and have a problem on his hands. Wth these handgun permits you cannot go looking for trouble and then scream self defense when you find that trouble and kills someone.Trouble has to come to you. When Zimmerman followed this boy at that moment his self defense claim wasn't worth more then urine that sits in a bladder. Damn what happened after that, you following me looking for trouble. As a matter of fact Trayvon attorneys could use self defense "stand your ground". Hell he was the one protecting himself and standing his ground.

yeah no shit

if anything, from the looks of it, trayvon stood his ground against some strange Ted Bundy looking mothafucka who was following him and got popped.

this whole case is trash

no one should be aligning SYG with Zimmerman....that's some nut ass shit

 

[LA]

With these handgun permits you cannot go looking for trouble and then scream self defense when you find that trouble and kill someone. Trouble has to come to you.

When Zimmerman followed this boy at that moment his self defense claim wasn't worth more then urine that sits in a bladder.

Damn what happened after that, you following me looking for trouble. As a matter of fact Trayvon attorneys could use self defense "stand your ground".
Hell, he was the one protecting himself and standing his ground.

#absolutely

 

[LA]

If this Zimmerman guy gets acquitted I'm almost certain he will eventually be assassinated.

He better keep that gun that he used to kill Treyvon on him at all times from now on.

 

[Bliss]

Lady you just like reaching for the sake of reaching. You simply just don't hae a clue. If someones comes into your house then its open season. If a man kidnaps you its open season. No jury in the world would convict in either case. But if you are in a fist fight and pull your gun and kill, then here comes a life sentence for murder. Attempting kidnapping and burgarly? Lady this stuff is no brainer. You and your crazy comparisons are crazy. Example. Me if I'm out and a guy is causing a problem with me I may exchange a few words but I will alk away. Now if he continues to follow and be the aggressor now he about to fuck around and have a problem on his hands. Wth these handgun permits you cannot go looking for trouble and then scream self defense when you find that trouble and kills someone.Trouble has to come to you. When Zimmerman followed this boy at that moment his self defense claim wasn't worth more then urine that sits in a bladder. Damn what happened after that, you following me looking for trouble. As a matter of fact Trayvon attorneys could use self defense "stand your ground". Hell he was the one protecting himself and standing his ground.

Lady huh? "Young man" you simply just don't have a clue, because you don't really read, do you? You just like any excuse to squawk like a condescending parrot. Which part of my "what G Zimmerman did to Trayvon would have resulted in TRAYVON claiming stand your ground if Tray had used a gun".... didn't you GET? None obviously, since you ignored my OPENING paragraph where I wrote it TO YOU... and then typed the same damn thing at the end of your post like you're the only one to figure that shit out. Please.

Yes, most definitely my example was hypothetical. In fact, as I have said before which you may have missed, if Trayvon had had a gun he would have been justified to kill Zimmerman in defense.

Tell me, do you even know what HYPOTHETICAL means? You must have a tiny clue because you ASKED me if my original example to Andraeboba was. And when I said "YES it WAS", your eye must've twitched because you missed it.


Next! I gave you multiple examples of defending your life with a hand-gun, and all you could manage was a: "With these handgun permits you cannot go looking for trouble and then scream self defense when you find that trouble and kills someone. Trouble has to come to you...". Well no shit, Sherlock. As IF my examples demonstrated to you someone looking for trouble. Young man, this stuff is no brainer..

Now stop with YOUR crazy comparisons. I don't know anyone who was in a "bar fight" who invoked the SYG law and got off. They might try - but they'll fail. There's even a recent case in FL where the guy shot the man on the basketball court - after the victim went for the gun owner's gun to protect his daughter - and the gun owner is in jail trying to use the SYG Law...Plenty people will try to use it but the law was made for REAL victims ONLY.

So to reiterate: Trayvon case is NOT a SYG law case since no self-defense for ones' life HAPPENED and I'm NOT TALKING about bar fights.....So why do keep arguing me like I'm saying it is?!

 

[z]

Zimmerman case has nutin to do with stay your ground law, conceal carry, self defense law or pro gun type law. The guy’s action is indefensible. The goof is an overzealous vigilante self appointed neighborhood watch captain with John Wayne complex who unfairly targeted a teen, picked a fight then when he ended up on the losing side he pulled a gun and shot the kid.
He was not facing imminent death, danger or great bodily harm. He brought gun to a fist fight.




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[Alinoa]

I am sorry. I am really sorry. I don't know. Call me stupid or slow or..retarded or just plain ignorant.

I just listened to all the 911 tapes that were released for this case. All of them. Especially the one of the lady that called when you can clearly hear Trayvon calling for help. And yes, that IS Trayvon. At this point I really don't think that a voice analysis is even needed. That is NOT the same voice that is in the 911 call made by that murdering rat bastard what-ever-the-fuck-his-name-is. I won't even dignify him by calling him by his given name. Assface. Fucktard. Rat bastard. Sure. But not the name given to him at birth.

If I don't need to have the tapes analyized to know that isn't dickwad calling for help, then why the FUCK would anyone else? Other than to prove that he is so guilty that....well....he is guilty.

It's more than clearly obvious that douche bag extordiare is NOT in fear for his life. Is not being threatened or attack or in any way Menaced. What IS clear is that Trayvon IS calling for help. He needs help very much so and you can hear it in the tone of his voice. That young man is trying to save his life. Begging for help.

What isn't clearly obvious to me is why fuckedupeverywhichway IS NOT IN JAIL. I understand that Trayvon is black. I understand that this happened in FL. I understand that it happened in a gated, well to do community. I understand that florida's finest aren't really fine at all.

I get all of that. Seriously, honestly, promise. I get it. I get all the rest of the non sense surrounding this case. I mean I don't GET it but I can understand it with my intelligence.

But what I can not understand with my intelligence or my stupid or my whatever you wanna call it is why asshat is STILL free. I don't know where he is hiding out. Don't know who is sheltering him so well or why. But fuck all of that noise.

Go get that sonofabitch and hold him accountable for murding an innocent person who did nothing in anyway to even warrant being approached MUCH LESS shot to death.

/rant/

 

[The Dark King]

yeah no shit

if anything, from the looks of it, trayvon stood his ground against some strange Ted Bundy looking mothafucka who was following him and got popped.

this whole case is trash

no one should be aligning SYG with Zimmerman....that's some nut ass shit

You can blame the obviously racist right for that shit. Another reason I can't stand nor support minorities who claim to be right wing conservatives like Michael Steele. Talk about a house negro. Defending the actions of someone who likely kill you as well for a lesser infraction because they deem your life worthless.
The whole wait and see to arrest him bs is the most infuriating part of this because guaranteed had it been Treyvon with that gun and Zimmerman was dead even if he was following him his black ass would be in jail pending an investigation and everyone would have no problem with it.

 

[Bliss]

Forensic Experts test the 'Help" Voice...

Tom Owen, forensic consultant for Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman. Another expert contacted by the Sentinel, utilizing different techniques, came to the same conclusion…

Owen, a court-qualified expert witness and former chief engineer for the New York Public Library’s Rodgers and Hammerstein Archives of Recorded Sound, is an authority on biometric voice analysis — a computerized process comparing attributes of voices to determine whether they match.

After the Sentinel contacted Owen, he used software called Easy Voice Biometrics to compare Zimmerman’s voice to the 911 call screams.

“I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else,” Owen says.

The software compared that audio to Zimmerman’s voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he’d expect higher than 90 percent.

“As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it’s not Zimmerman,” Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon’s, because he didn’t have a sample of the teen’s voice to compare..

For full story...
http://www.alan.com/2012/04/01/fore...rge-zimmerman-screaming-for-help-on-911-tape/

 

[Bliss]

Interesting change of Zimmerman image..mug shot to smiling in a suit.

I also noticed Trayvon's parent have also released a more age appropriate photo, since the national one we've all seen, he is 13. He looks more mature, but not that much.

 

[orejon4]

Okay, Juan Williams has ticked me off...yet again. Today on Chris Wallace's pundit show, he (rightly) criticized the Trayvon Martin killing, but then launched into a tirade about black-on-black crime, hip-hop/urban gang culture and clothing, the black community structure and its deficits and asked where the community outrage was about those issues. While these are all troubling developments and need to be criticized vehemently, I am irritated by the mention of these things in the same breath as his murder. Doing so creates (however much they say that's not the intent) an atmosphere of doubt about black youth in general that gets dangerously close to saying that Zimmerman had a right to fear black youth. Now he didn't say that and he did express anger about the killing, but the two items are apples and oranges. Regardless of what larger socioeconomic problems the black community faces, they do not justify following, confronting and shooting a black child. I don't care if he was walking through the neighborhood drinking a 40-ounce of malt liquor singing "Fuck the Police" at the top of his lungs. Addressing that is a job for the police, not an overzealous gun nut. Give Trayvon and his family justice. Then, if you're truly of goodwill, work to address the difficulties facing minorities and the poor. But do NOT conflate the two.

 

[The Dark King]

Okay, Juan Williams has ticked me off...yet again. Today on Chris Wallace's pundit show, he (rightly) criticized the Trayvon Martin killing, but then launched into a tirade about black-on-black crime, hip-hop/urban gang culture and clothing, the black community structure and its deficits and asked where the community outrage was about those issues. While these are all troubling developments and need to be criticized vehemently, I am irritated by the mention of these things in the same breath as his murder. Doing so creates (however much they say that's not the intent) an atmosphere of doubt about black youth in general that gets dangerously close to saying that Zimmerman had a right to fear black youth. Now he didn't say that and he did express anger about the killing, but the two items are apples and oranges. Regardless of what larger socioeconomic problems the black community faces, they do not justify following, confronting and shooting a black child. I don't care if he was walking through the neighborhood drinking a 40-ounce of malt liquor singing "Fuck the Police" at the top of his lungs. Addressing that is a job for the police, not an overzealous gun nut. Give Trayvon and his family justice. Then, if you're truly of goodwill, work to address the difficulties facing minorities and the poor. But do NOT conflate the two.

Dude I heard the same horseshit argument on Opie and Anthony as well as some of my conservative friends on fb. One thing neither side ever seems to address or admit is the police misconduct that lead to this being a national story, at least for me anyway. People murder each other over less to be honest but its the way this whole thing was being handled is where my outrage comes from. The fact no one wants to acknowledge what this thing was clearly. Now they have this whole wait and see what the evidence reveals doctrine when history as shown us over and over again that had it been a black person standing over a body the benefit of doubt would not be afforded to that situation regardless of their explanation. All they want to focus on is that Zimmerman was Hispanic not white and the liberal media trying to spin the story to sensationalize it. I will agree there is a media spin but it doesn't refute the 911 tape that has the perp admitting to following the kid ("fucking coon" 2:19 on the tape) even after being instructed not to. In a situation like that you relinquish your right to claim self defense but for some reason they can't admit this is what it is. For some reason in their minds racism is a chip minorities have on their shoulder and a beast that the media feeds without any facts behind it.

 

[orejon4]

Dude I heard the same horseshit argument on Opie and Anthony as well as some of my conservative friends on fb. One thing neither side ever seems to address or admit is the police misconduct that lead to this being a national story, at least for me anyway. People murder each other over less to be honest but its the way this whole thing was being handled is where my outrage comes from. The fact no one wants to acknowledge what this thing was clearly. Now they have this whole wait and see what the evidence reveals doctrine when history as shown us over and over again that had it been a black person standing over a body the benefit of doubt would not be afforded to that situation regardless of their explanation. All they want to focus on is that Zimmerman was Hispanic not white and the liberal media trying to spin the story to sensationalize it. I will agree there is a media spin but it doesn't refute the 911 tape that has the perp admitting to following the kid ("fucking coon" 2:19 on the tape) even after being instructed not to. In a situation like that you relinquish your right to claim self defense but for some reason they can't admit this is what it is. For some reason in their minds racism is a chip minorities have on their shoulder and a beast that the media feeds without any facts behind it.

Like we've got some mass racial hallucination going on...

 

[pettyofficerj]

The statistics definitely don't favor black males....

But like u guys said, doesn't justify killing one

 

[The Dark King]

The statistics definitely don't favor black males....

But like u guys said, doesn't justify killing one

Actually the statistics do favor black males in this context. Black males more than likely only kill other black males so then what the fuck is all the fear from white people about. If you want to put statistics into it they are far more likely to kill us then us kill them.