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TheHuntress said:
*I* am fine with it, but my mom is not too excited about taking the subway. She thinks we're going to get raped and murdered. lol I would say, if it's within walking distance, that's good. Or, we'll take a cab.
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Virgil's on 44th between and Broadway and 7th has great BBQ. It's easy to look up.
Dynastia or Flordaymio are great Spanish Asian Fusion places

Land Thai Kitchen is amazing they have the best noodles.

Hill Country BBQ or Blue Smoke has really good bbq

Shake Shack is pretty awesome. Best burgers.

Let me know if you try any of these.
 
The Dark Knight said:
... Not to mention nutritionist and personal trainers and other support weight loss personnel aren't covered under your insurance. Instead people are met with hostile and ignorant judgements. "Just eat less and exercise more", eat what? exercise how?
There are movements that are better designed for certain people and walking an hour a day won't cut it especially if they decide to limit their fast food intake but still eat shit tons of starches at home.

I agree a lot of people are very lazy and might not change but I really don't like people who are in a HELPING profession to dismiss them without giving them the tools to succeed. Its treated like a matter of will power when its so much deeper than that.
Certain additives are literally like fucking crack but people with food addictions are treated like addicts they are treated like they are weak willed people who simply need to pull themselves together.
Its plain wrong. Seriously if you have a chance you should check out the documentaries I saw this weekend.
So many people really need help not the bs finger pointing and head shaking that comes with obesity.
Stepping off my soapbox lol
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Arrgh, Ches was right, who kidnapped the old TDK!! :D The documentaries seemed to really have affected you. You've done almost a 180. Great to see this. When this country can get to the bottom of contributing causes along with traditional causes of obesity, then the war can be better tackled.

In your last post you mentioned the diet in Jamaica and the health changes in your family in the US...
I remember reading an article of a small town in India and their sudden explosion rate of type 2 diabetes and obesity...the towns people pointed their finger directly at the McDonald's that had opened there and where many began to eat at....Hmmmm...

I have an article for a thread I have planned for the fitness section.. when you see what is really in our "food'...smh...eg: our olive oil?...isn't olive oil....
 
Bliss said:
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Arrgh, Ches was right, who kidnapped the old TDK!! :D The documentaries seemed to really have affected you. You've done almost a 180. Great to see this. When this country can get to the bottom of contributing causes along with traditional causes of obesity, then the war can be better tackled.

In your last post you mentioned the diet in Jamaica and the health changes in your family in the US...
I remember reading an article of a small town in India and their sudden explosion rate of type 2 diabetes and obesity...the towns people pointed their finger directly at the McDonald's that had opened there and where many began to eat at....Hmmmm...

I have an article for a thread I have planned for the fitness section.. when you see what is really in our "food'...smh...eg: our olive oil?...isn't olive oil....
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Dude I never had a problem with overweight people I just think that certain conversations from the past never allowed for peaceful dialogue later on. Glad to see that's changing.
The problem is I don't think enough people in power actually care, it doesn't really affect them. This is going to take a grass roots effort. There needs to be obesity support groups that cost people no money, nutritionist need to be covered by health insurance. I can't wait to see your article, I'm taking a completely different approach to food. I'm tired of being poisoned and then told its all my fault. Total bs
 
The Dark Knight said:
The more I learn about nutrition and homeopathy it does make me feel like doctors are pill pushers more than healers these days.
All the problems out there with hypertension, diabetes, and other obesity related issues and I rarely see doctors truly promoting healthy diets. And I don't mean just telling someone to stay away from starches and sugar but actually sitting down and coming up with a comprehensive meal plan and if that don't have the knowledge then direct them to a nutritionist. Its down right criminal. Maybe I'm around too many people who got into to medicine for the wrong reasons.
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Every doctor I've met has referred patients to nutritionists. Has there been even 1 or 2 patients in the last 6months, that say, "no doc, I'd rather exercise everyday and overhaul my diet, than take these pills."? Ahahahahahah that's fricken hilarious. The only time people in north America lose weight is when they have cancer. Of course there are a few motivated individuals who actually take responsibility for their own health and stop eating garbage food, cut out soda, exercise everyday - but trust me, those people are RARE.

If your doctor doesn't refer you, change doctors or simply ask them for a referral.

I would be very happy to have a patient who needs to lose weight, drop their BP, or control their sugars, see a nutritionist then come back to me to create a wellness plan. And we can follow up every week if they want. Or they can come back in two weeks and we can revisit the plan. The key is that patient's take action to save themselves instead of expecting someone else to when that someone else doesn't live with them, control what they eat or if they move. There's only so much a doctor can do for someone before that someone needs to take control of their own situation.

TDK you are on the right track by educating yourself about health and nutrition. Good job!

In Canada, the nutritionist visit is free, so patients can get an amazing education including a free food plan for almost no effort. All they need to to is be honest with themselves regarding the effort they are willing to make for themselves and honest with their doctors about what actions they are taking.

Regarding medical education - please keep in mind that each year more information is added to the education, but nothing is dropped off the other end. So students in med school today are learning all the same stuff from 25 years ago (if it's correct info) PLUS all the new stuff from the last two decades. It's hard core shoving down your throat type of education for 4 years. Then the joy of residency and fellowships.... Yaaaay
 
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Athena said:
Every doctor I've met has referred patients to nutritionists. Has there been even 1 or 2 patients in the last 6months, that say, "no doc, I'd rather exercise everyday and overhaul my diet, than take these pills."? Ahahahahahah that's fricken hilarious. The only time people in north America lose weight is when they have cancer. Of course there are a few motivated individuals who actually take responsibility for their own health and stop eating garbage food, cut out soda, exercise everyday - but trust me, those people are RARE.
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Then its a difference of experience because as far as I've seen they don't. There's a pompus "you should know better" attitude I've seen a lot with doctors. As if more patients cut into their personal time. I agree that this country has a lot of people lazing around waiting for the miracle weight loss pill but there are even more people who have a serious food addiction problem and need far more than a some pills and a slap on the ass for encouragement.
From an economics stand point (one day you'll me doctor too lol) its about incentives. There is no incentive for doctors to try and make people better just to treat them. It always seems to come back money and if you get paid based on volume of patients treated not on patients cured what's the incentive to help them beyond a 20 minute diagnosis and a prescription for avandia?
I don't want you to get the impression that I'm blaming doctors, I'm criticizing the actual system itself. The math don't add up. All these educated people and yet we keep treating people the same exact way while things increasingly get worst.
Whats that saying about doing the same thing expecting a different outcome :rolleyes:
 
Athena said:
Every doctor I've met has referred patients to nutritionists. Has there been even 1 or 2 patients in the last 6months, that say, "no doc, I'd rather exercise everyday and overhaul my diet, than take these pills."? Ahahahahahah that's fricken hilarious. The only time people in north America lose weight is when they have cancer. Of course there are a few motivated individuals who actually take responsibility for their own health and stop eating garbage food, cut out soda, exercise everyday - but trust me, those people are RARE.

If your doctor doesn't refer you, change doctors or simply ask them for a referral.

I would be very happy to have a patient who needs to lose weight, drop their BP, or control their sugars, see a nutritionist then come back to me to create a wellness plan. And we can follow up every week if they want. Or they can come back in two weeks and we can revisit the plan. The key is that patient's take action to save themselves instead of expecting someone else to when that someone else doesn't live with them, control what they eat or if they move. There's only so much a doctor can do for someone before that someone needs to take control of their own situation.

TDK you are on the right track by educating yourself about health and nutrition. Good job!
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just because one is a doctor, doesn't mean they're a good one

i really didn't understand what the person who told me that meant, until i started opting to see the 'first available' whenever I go in. I've seen about 20 or so over the past years, and just about each and every one of them had a different disposition. I've seen some that were nice, and i've seen some that were flat-out rude. One doc I seen had a nasty attitude and was literally trying to shove me out the door. But, then i seen one who didn't try to McDonalds drive-thru my ass, and actually kept asking me if there was anything else I needed done. Getting the most out of my 10 dollar copay is all I want to do.:o
 
pettyofficerj said:
just because one is a doctor, doesn't mean they're a good one

i really didn't understand what the person who told me that meant, until i started opting to see the 'first available' whenever I go in. I've seen about 20 or so over the past years, and just about each and every one of them had a different disposition. I've seen some that were nice, and i've seen some that were flat-out rude. One doc I seen had a nasty attitude and was literally trying to shove me out the door. But, then i seen one who didn't try to McDonalds drive-thru my ass, and actually kept asking me if there was anything else I needed done. Getting the most out of my 10 dollar copay is all I want to do.:o
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Holy shit is your spot hiring?
 
The Dark Knight said:
Then its a difference of experience because as far as I've seen they don't. There's a pompus "you should know better" attitude I've seen a lot with doctors. As if more patients cut into their personal time. I agree that this country has a lot of people lazing around waiting for the miracle weight loss pill but there are even more people who have a serious food addiction problem and need far more than a some pills and a slap on the ass for encouragement.
From an economics stand point (one day you'll me doctor too lol) its about incentives. There is no incentive for doctors to try and make people better just to treat them. It always seems to come back money and if you get paid based on volume of patients treated not on patients cured what's the incentive to help them beyond a 20 minute diagnosis and a prescription for avandia?
I don't want you to get the impression that I'm blaming doctors, I'm criticizing the actual system itself. The math don't add up. All these educated people and yet we keep treating people the same exact way while things increasingly get worst.
Whats that saying about doing the same thing expecting a different outcome :rolleyes:
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Actually there are some incentives in this country for doctors to improve the quality of their patient's health. I can't list the locations off the top of my head but I'm pretty sure NY is not one of them lol.

My experiences over the many years I've been involved in health care is to first find out what the patient actually knows (don't be surprised when they don't have an idea that burgers and bbq are actually tremendously unhealthy), then work up from there.

You're right, it could be a difference of who is your doctor, but there are many damn fine ones right here in NYC. My doctor at home is the best I've ever seen and there's literally nothing bad I could say about her. So if yours is mistreating you, get a new one. You have the right to doctor shop.
 
The Dark Knight said:
Holy shit is your spot hiring?
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lmao

health is about the only thing these jacklegs are good for

I think Drexel actually has better overall benefits (especially disability ones...never know when the game will be over for you) for their employees, so i'm thinking about switching out. going into teaching has always been in the back of my mind. Master's degree + experience helps. PhD in whatever+exp is probably the best.
 
The Dark Knight said:
Virgil's on 44th between and Broadway and 7th has great BBQ. It's easy to look up.
Dynastia or Flordaymio are great Spanish Asian Fusion places

Land Thai Kitchen is amazing they have the best noodles.

Hill Country BBQ or Blue Smoke has really good bbq

Shake Shack is pretty awesome. Best burgers.

Let me know if you try any of these.
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Just saw this now. We ate dinner at Pigalle, and now we are having drinks at TSQ in Times Square.
 
The forum has become very crazy. Too many sensitive egos getting bruised by simple word play and personal opinions. 18+ in here right??
 
TheHuntress said:
Pigalle was amazing. We split pâté and a bleu cheese burger. OMG.
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Glad you enjoyed the meal. I think I just got gout reading this. LOL!

Stizzy said:
The forum has become very crazy. Too many sensitive egos getting bruised by simple word play and personal opinions. 18+ in here right??
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I just wish people could find something else to do besides goading people. I for one, enjoy dropping in and seeing what's going on. I hate the thought of people screwing with each other to the point where they have to bail from the forum. I'm thick-skinned, but I know some people don't like being messed with.
 
orejon4 said:
I just wish people could find something else to do besides goading people. I for one, enjoy dropping in and seeing what's going on. I hate the thought of people screwing with each other to the point where they have to bail from the forum. I'm thick-skinned, but I know some people don't like being messed with.
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I'm thick-skinned myself,, but more so positive. The negative vibes in the threads I don't like. Ive been hanging in the threads with nudity in them as of late. They seem to stay positive!
 
Stizzy said:
I'm thick-skinned myself,, but more so positive. The negative vibes in the threads I don't like. Ive been hanging in the threads with nudity in them as of late. They seem to stay positive!
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Naked women tend to lighten the mood. By the way, here's my stupid question of the night: how do you start a thread? I haven't done it in so long that I forgot.
 
orejon4 said:
Naked women tend to lighten the mood. By the way, here's my stupid question of the night: how do you start a thread? I haven't done it in so long that I forgot.
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I've never started one. Lol. Ask one of the brains of the forum,, we have so many.
 
orejon4 said:
Naked men tend to lighten the mood. By the way, here's my stupid question of the night: how do you start a thread? I haven't done it in so long that I forgot.
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**fixed***

oh & btw. to start a thread, go into the subject sections that it best suits and then click start a thread
 
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