Absolutely disgusting inhumanity inflicted on these women.

[TheHuntress]

aww shit you're in for it now.

 

[Beasty]

Sweden is a far more equal country than any other country in the world.

I'd say they're an example of how women should be treated.

In America, women are blamed for being raped, blamed for being victims of violence, treated like second-class citizens, are told that we shouldn't have access to the health care we need, can't make decisions about what to do with our own bodies, and still can't earn the same as a man in the same field with the same experience. We still only earn about $.78 to every $1 a man makes.

If you're missing that, then you probably want to take some extra time each day to follow the news and catch up on some of this stuff. It's likely that you never thought about it before, or you're a man - I don't know you, so I have no idea -but you should really try to get educated on how women are treated in the United States, especially if you live in VA.

Aww come on now. Would my opinion be the driving factor if I am not the subject here? I am willing to listen to the subject at hand which is a woman, does that not count for anything?? And whats up with VA? I am just here for 2 more years, it is not like I am running for governor lol

 

[GQ Brotha]

The fact that we still have male politicians here fighting over what I'm allowed to do with my uterus is just as much a form of war and oppression as telling me I have to leave the house with an escort, and victim-blaming rape victims is just as heinous as telling someone they must cover themselves from head-to-toe in a burqua -it's just a different experience. Sure, I can pretty much do what I want in this country, but if you listen to the people in power, I'm not smart enough to make decisions about my health, and my brain is less valuable than a man's, because I still make less to his dollar.

There's no point in these tee totaling discussions - I will never live in the Middle East, and most of these women will never live in the United States. The goal should be to improve the experience of women in all countries, irrespective of who might 'have it worse' than the other. Simple.

Which is why the increasing number of female politicians in government is so important to have their voices echoing rather than the usual cabal of old, white, Protestant male parrots whose world view revolves around their cocktail of personal premise of religion, anti-discrimination laws and women in our modern society.

From all I have read and heard the Scandinavian countries along with Finland are the most legally and socially committed to equal rights in every area possible.

I'm a stickler for no discrimination in any form.

The notion of treating others how you would like to be treated flows through my veins and I take folks as they come, an individual.

The West has come a long way because women were able to organize and speak up for equality, that road is still being traveled.

Many other cultures and societies in our globe have that journey to make, but only the women in those societies, along with their male supporters can make an impact that will alter the conditions of these women.

Outsiders will never be able to address the internal affairs of these places if these societies are not willing to do so themselves.

For example, if women in Saudi Arabia want to drive they will have to go out and protest for that basic ability.

Women in the West kicked ass and took names for their rights today.

 

[Iggy]

In America, women are blamed for being raped, blamed for being victims of violence, treated like second-class citizens, are told that we shouldn't have access to the health care we need, can't make decisions about what to do with our own bodies, and still can't earn the same as a man in the same field with the same experience. We still only earn about $.78 to every $1 a man makes.

If you're missing that, then you probably want to take some extra time each day to follow the news and catch up on some of this stuff. It's likely that you never thought about it before, or you're a man - I don't know you, so I have no idea -but you should really try to get educated on how women are treated in the United States, especially if you live in VA.

Wow, you truly don't realize how good you have it in the States. You think women are treated like 2nd class citizens here?
Here's an idea, take a trip to the Middle East and see the difference in the ways women are treated. WOmen are put on a pedestal in the States and thats a fact.

 

[orejon4]

In every nation on earth women are treated worse than men. It's the history and nature of the species, sadly. The nations where women have made the most strides toward equality are the Scandinavian countries. That being said, most societies ordered along religious or traditional lines are worse for women, because men traditionally interpret the faith for the society and (surprise) god just somehow magically manages to prescribe rules and traditions that reduce women to the property of the men in their lives. That being said, being a woman in a muslim society generally sucks.

 

[wtarshi]

Sweden is a far more equal country than any other country in the world.

I'd say they're an example of how women should be treated.

In America, women are blamed for being raped, blamed for being victims of violence, treated like second-class citizens, are told that we shouldn't have access to the health care we need, can't make decisions about what to do with our own bodies, and still can't earn the same as a man in the same field with the same experience. We still only earn about $.78 to every $1 a man makes.

If you're missing that, then you probably want to take some extra time each day to follow the news and catch up on some of this stuff. It's likely that you never thought about it before, or you're a man - I don't know you, so I have no idea -but you should really try to get educated on how women are treated in the United States, especially if you live in VA.

Keep educating db...obviously there are still those who need it

 

[wtarshi]

Thanks to GQ and stizzalicious for recognising :smt060

 

[TheHuntress]

Wow, you truly don't realize how good you have it in the States. You think women are treated like 2nd class citizens here?
Here's an idea, take a trip to the Middle East and see the difference in the ways women are treated. WOmen are put on a pedestal in the States and thats a fact.

I can see that reading comprehension is still something you struggle with.

 

[Iggy]

I can see that reading comprehension is still something you struggle with.

How so?

And just what I thought. All you can do is throw out personal attacks and backhanded comments.

Newflash, you're not as smart as you think you are.

 

[luvattractivewomen]

Sweden is a far more equal country than any other country in the world.

I'd say they're an example of how women should be treated.

In America, women are blamed for being raped, blamed for being victims of violence, treated like second-class citizens, are told that we shouldn't have access to the health care we need, can't make decisions about what to do with our own bodies, and still can't earn the same as a man in the same field with the same experience. We still only earn about $.78 to every $1 a man makes.

If you're missing that, then you probably want to take some extra time each day to follow the news and catch up on some of this stuff. It's likely that you never thought about it before, or you're a man - I don't know you, so I have no idea -but you should really try to get educated on how women are treated in the United States, especially if you live in VA.

Are you implying that there aren't areas that women are treated better than men?

 

[Beasty]

Are you implying that there aren't areas that women are treated better than men?

 

[luvattractivewomen]

As we've said on this site in the past - it isn't the oppression Olympics. The fact is, in THIS country, American women are not treated equally. There is no sense in comparing my experience to a woman in the Middle East, because we are different, culturally. Are they treated horribly in their own countries and cultures? Absolutely.

Are American women treated like shit in our own country and culture? Absolutely. But to compare them is silly.



Right, which is why I don't think there's any value in saying 'Oh, you don't like it in the USA as a woman? Go to Iran! HAHA!'.... No. What's so freakin' difficult about everyone being equal, everywhere? Why do we have to play 'Compare and Win' with everyone? We don't. The only thing we can say in a blanket form is that women are not treated well anywhere. There is work to be done no matter where you're living and no matter what your cultural experience.

The fact that we still have male politicians here fighting over what I'm allowed to do with my uterus is just as much a form of war and oppression as telling me I have to leave the house with an escort, and victim-blaming rape victims is just as heinous as telling someone they must cover themselves from head-to-toe in a burqua -it's just a different experience. Sure, I can pretty much do what I want in this country, but if you listen to the people in power, I'm not smart enough to make decisions about my health, and my brain is less valuable than a man's, because I still make less to his dollar.

There's no point in these tee totaling discussions - I will never live in the Middle East, and most of these women will never live in the United States. The goal should be to improve the experience of women in all countries, irrespective of who might 'have it worse' than the other. Simple.

Are you implying that there aren't female politicians as well as women in various facets of life fighting over what to do with your Uterus?

Are you implying that many women in Islamic countries do not choose to wear Hijab and Burqa?

 

[Bliss]

Is perspective being lost here? War on our uterus? We haven't had a war on it since Roe v Wade.
At least women were able to go to 'war'. And the "scary male" politicians have come and gone and come again... yet it remains national law to this day.

It's just so...whiney to make this about American women, when the REAL victims are those helpless women living under suffrage and tyranny. Is there anything you can appreciate about being a woman here?
My mom used to tell me, 'I cried that I had no shoes until I saw a man with no feet'.

 

[luvattractivewomen]

Sweden is a far more equal country than any other country in the world.

I'd say they're an example of how women should be treated.

In America, women are blamed for being raped, blamed for being victims of violence, treated like second-class citizens, are told that we shouldn't have access to the health care we need, can't make decisions about what to do with our own bodies, and still can't earn the same as a man in the same field with the same experience. We still only earn about $.78 to every $1 a man makes.

If you're missing that, then you probably want to take some extra time each day to follow the news and catch up on some of this stuff. It's likely that you never thought about it before, or you're a man - I don't know you, so I have no idea -but you should really try to get educated on how women are treated in the United States, especially if you live in VA.

Among the major race and ethnicity groups, median weekly earnings for black men working full time were $668, or 75.0 percent of the median for white men ($891).

The difference was smaller among women, as black women's median weekly earnings ($616) were 87.9 percent of those for white women ($701).

 

[GQ Brotha]

Is perspective being lost here? War on our uterus? We haven't had a war on it since Roe v Wade.
At least women were able to go to 'war'. And the "scary male" politicians have come and gone and come again... yet it remains national law to this day.

It's just so...whiney to make this about American women, when the REAL victims are those helpless women living under suffrage and tyranny. Is there anything you can appreciate about being a woman here?
My mom used to tell me, 'I cried that I had no shoes until I saw a man with no feet'.

Here is an eye opener of this reality.

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2012/04/young_women_in_chechnya.html

Jamila Idalova, 16, on her wedding day. The teen bride was kidnapped and later returned to her home. Bridal kidnappings are outlawed - but still occur. Under strongman Ramzan Kadyrov, bride kidnapping is outlawed and captors are liable, in theory, to receive a fine up to 1 million rubles. The groom and his friend kidnapped her after school (basically put her in the car) and drove away. His parents were aware of it. Her parents did not agree. They ended up returning the bride. The same day the parents from both sides met and agreed it made sense for them to get married. She was married a week later. The wedding takes place at the groom's home or at a restaurant. In this case, it was at Ramzan's home. Traditionally, the groom does not attend his wedding. The bride says her vows in her home (separately from the groom) and then picked up by the groom's friends - who she doesn't know. The celebration often lasts for 3 days. "She's a beautiful girl, the most popular in school. It is too bad she didn't finish school. It makes more sense for her future though. She will be better off married," said her teachers. :shock:

In her bedroom, Layusa Ibragimova, 16, prays beside a Chechen religious leader before her wedding. She is asked to recite her vows separately from her spouse. The bride is then picked up by the groom's friends and escorted along with her suitcases to his home , where the ceremony takes place. Traditionally Chechen couples meet one another, at the spring or water pipe - a scene celebrated in countless folksongs and dances

W.T.F. Guess its fair to say its their culture indeed.

 

[GQ Brotha]

Even the female photojournalist said it herself.

The attitude towards women becomes more conservative and tradition-based. Females are considered submissive and are expected to act demurely in the presence of men. This naturally makes it difficult to operate as many officials in male-dominated Chechnya don't take women seriously. It's something I try not to take personally and instead find ways to work around.

This is a part of how these mofos celebrate a wedding.

At sunset on the outskirts of Grozny, Kazbek Mutsaev, 29, fires celebratory gun shots as part of an age-old wedding tradition in Chechnya.

A party guest fires gun shots during a wedding.

Guess this is what you do when the men and women are separated and can't dance with each other and alcohol is prohibited, fire gunshots.

 

[Bliss]

Here is an eye opener of this reality.

.....

Thank you for profiling these, GQ. While we have expected traditions, we are never bound by them.

You seem to get it and as woman of the FREE world, I am so appreciative that you emphatically recognize the true injustices inflicted upon those OP women. I was even thinking the other day, no man in those countries would ever care enough to say, "absolutely disgusting inhumanity inflicted on" for these women. Thanks for showing big heart, GQ. <3

 

[GQ Brotha]

Thank you for profiling these, GQ. While we have expected traditions, we are never bound by them.

You seem to get it and as woman of the FREE world, I am so appreciative that you emphatically recognize the true injustices inflicted upon those OP women. I was even thinking the other day, no man in those countries would ever care enough to say, "absolutely disgusting inhumanity inflicted on" for these women. Thanks for showing big heart, GQ. <3

I just feel very strongly that any man who has to think he is better than a woman based on gender is no better than a racist who feels they are better based on race. Both factors that no individual has control of when born.

Whenever I hear stories of abuses like the one that started off this original topic (acid being thrown in the face), physical, mental, sexual abuse etc, honor killings, a woman's throat being slit by some jealous partner or being shot to death by an ex, be it in our culture or other places around the globe I realize the true inhumanity that us humans are capable of possessing.

When I looked at the photos of those women in Chechnya above and in the link, the "brides" on their wedding day seem to not even possess a shining happiness in the eyes and face, its as though they are trapped by traditions to do what is expected and there is no other outlet for them, this is the man for you according to your parents, marry him, no questions, capisce.

The lack of choice in their society is part of what represents the oppression.

The few men in these types of societies that would speak up are overwhelmed by the ignorant dogma of "its our way of life"

 

[Iggy]

Is perspective being lost here? .

With the Huntress it is lol. She actually believes that women have it sooooo bad in the States hahahahaha. If she only knew...

 

[TheHuntress]

With the Huntress it is lol. She actually believes that women have it sooooo bad in the States hahahahaha. If she only knew...

If you go back and ACTUALLY READ what I wrote, I said that comparing the experience of women in the US versus women in countries like the Middle East IS ridiculous, because there is no comparison. And, since I won't be living in the Middle East and they likely won't be living here, it's a moot point to sit there and ignorantly spout about how if I don't like it here, I should go to the Middle East and see how it is. It's that exact ignorant statement that I addressed in my original post. It is not the Oppression Olympics, as I said in my other fucking post you should have read- and obviously didn't.

I was responding to the fact that other posters tried to highlight the issues that women have in this country as part of the 'disgusting inhumanity' inflicted on women in other countries. And again, if you go back and read, you will see that, for fuck's sake.

I also said that women DO have it bad in the States. We do. You're a man, so shut the fuck up about things you don't know about. I don't try to tell you how bad you have it or don't have it as a BM, just like I don't run around telling a gay man that they are exaggerating how bad their lives are. You could have an inkling of respect for that - I live as a woman in the USA. You do not. You are part of the problem, not the solution.

Women's experience in the USA is not comparable to women's experiences in other countries where they are completely oppressed. I acknowledged other poster's comments where they tried to bring the experience of women in the USA to this thread, and said that it was NOT the same thing.

Goddess grant me patience. You people give me a fucking migraine.