Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners' Names and Addresses
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The Dark King
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Dude you gave biased examples. You didnt give quotes from the founding fathers stating that one of the reasons for the right to bear arms was to eradicate native americans and keep blacks in check its pure opinion. Lets just agree to disagree because this isnt about a well thought out debate for you you just want to hear youre right.
if you had gone back and looked previous posts I was saying that.
You can make an argument if that 2nd amendment was made to eradicate the indians and blacks....hell, I wouldnt doubt it. I would be a fool to believe it was not.
the history shows they thanked the indians for saving their lives and had dinner together and called it thanksgiving and then the next morning the indians were wiped clean of their land.
blacks were being enslaved while the forefathers were carrying their bible in one hand a whip in the other. all the while writing the constitution.
so much hypocrisy its crazy.
Yeah, we can agree to disagree. thats cool
as for you ..... you just hate to say maybe you are wrong.....not to mention the fact that when people disagree with you you make INCENDIARY remarks and cant be just civil.
pettyofficerj
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negro please
Bliss
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Do you even know the history of the 2nd Amendment and whence it came?
England. Every man was expected and ordered to take up arms to fight the King who governed the land.
How praytell do you then deduce that the Founding Fathers adopted it to eradicate slaves. What would be the point?? Slaves were quite valuable to the South, were they not?
Did the South not take up the same guns to ensure slavery was kept alive? Yet to back up your absurd claim, you cited an opinion piece by a random unknown blogger who opined in an 800-worded essay that the 2nd Amendment came to fruition in order to kill Blacks. Come on now, less rhetoric, more substantive facts please.
The Dark King
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Do you even know the history of the 2nd Amendment and whence it came?
England. Every man was expected and ordered to take up arms to fight the King who governed the land.
How praytell do you then deduce that the Founding Fathers adopted it to eradicate slaves. What would be the point?? Slaves were quite valuable to the South, were they not?
Yet to back up your absurd claim, you cited an opinion piece by a random unknown blogger who opined in an 800-worded essay that the 2nd Amendment came to fruition in order to kill Blacks. Come on now, less rhetoric, more substantive facts please.
Bliss don't bother, when the argument is based on rhetoric void of fact or logic there is no turning it around. As a good friend said to me you can't logic your way out of crazy. Crazy is tenacious and believes its right no matter what.
Beasty
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and you know this how? because unlike us, you sit around and listen to what they have to say. Now I know what their talking points are because you and goodlove continue to report the shit.
andreboba
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Beasty
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Then why the fuck are you talking about them?
andreboba
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Because the NRA is becoming discredited as the public relations wing of the gun manufacturing industry and a quasi hate group. I think it's interesting when someone unknowingly has the same though process as a group that most Americans don't identify with.
It would be the same thing if I heard someone mouthing talking points from the KKK, I'd point that shit out too.
As a guy who has 'crushes' for certain firearms, it's odd to me you don't know anything about the NRA.
Beasty
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Correlation is not causation, a mind is a terrible thing to waste, stay in school!
andreboba
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That logic argument has absolutely nothing to do with a gun enthusiast being aware or unaware of the NRA.
You're just uninformed Beasty.
Beasty
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Do I need to know about this so called hate group?? lmao
andreboba
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Other than the actual 2nd Amendment, not other group or political body is more responsible for how many, what kind and the access most Americans have to legal firearms than the NRA.
The Dark King
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This has nothing to do with awareness of the NRA its a way to group everyone together. Similar ideologies does not equal singing the same gospel. It's like saying those who are Christian are all the same as fanatics like the Westboro Church or as guilty as Catholic priest who abuse boys. Just because we believe in gun ownership and the protection of civil liberties just like the NRA claims to believe does not make us one in the same.
A suicide bomber screams the words of the Koran does that make him the same as someone who speaks the same words peacefully in a mosque.
You guys make these comparisons that have little to do with actual logic. No one has advocated for unbridle access to guns with little to no regulation, no one wants those that might harm innocent people to get their hands on guns but the solutions they are coming up with don't seem to achieve that end. It only serves to make people feel safe while slowly stripping away their ability to protect themselves.
If more than one person breaks into my house seven bullets might not do the job if their are more than one of them and/or there are more than one of them in a gun fight. I'm not gonna claim to be a crack shot with a gun but why shouldn't I be allowed to have a 30 round clip to better my chances of survival against those who may mean me harm?
Make me take a psych eval and require me to renew annually but stripping me of my rights or reducing them does what for society at large? Those who mean to do harm will do harm. They will either steal guns and/or ignore the clip rule and by them illegally.
Beasty
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Now it sounds like you are trying to get me to join :smt081
xoxo
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The NRA, a quasi hate group? C'mon andreboba. That's just misinformed. It's no different than the right wing calling Obama an Islamist or a Communist.
The NRA isn't even the most right wing gun group. GOA has more of a "right wing" bent, but the hell with nuance when dealing with political enemies...
Why stop with the NRA, the Constitution or the Founding Fathers in this indictment on white supremacy? Let's indict Christianity or slave master surnames while we're at it. (see how trite that argument can get.)
Disparate types of people can have common beliefs for various reasons. One can oppose austerity in Greece and not support the Golden Dawn. You can support occupy Wall Street and not Black bloc anarchists.
I don't see how this appeal to conscience holds any water, unless one believes a black persons entire political and social belief system is nothing more than a response to white racism. "Romney would of had us back in chains y'all!"
If our ancestors can live through unfettered terrorism and unhinged white men with guns, no white racist archetype trotted out is going to scare a black person who believes in gun rights.
The NRA isn't even the most right wing gun group. GOA has more of a "right wing" bent, but the hell with nuance when dealing with political enemies...
Why stop with the NRA, the Constitution or the Founding Fathers in this indictment on white supremacy? Let's indict Christianity or slave master surnames while we're at it. (see how trite that argument can get.)
Disparate types of people can have common beliefs for various reasons. One can oppose austerity in Greece and not support the Golden Dawn. You can support occupy Wall Street and not Black bloc anarchists.
I don't see how this appeal to conscience holds any water, unless one believes a black persons entire political and social belief system is nothing more than a response to white racism. "Romney would of had us back in chains y'all!"
If our ancestors can live through unfettered terrorism and unhinged white men with guns, no white racist archetype trotted out is going to scare a black person who believes in gun rights.
The Dark King
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andreboba
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THe NRA has gone to great efforts to vilify Obama, fueling paranoia that Obama has a secret plan to ban and confiscate all guns. This fear mongering feeds into the ideology among right wing militia groups who believe they are preparing for a final confrontation with the federal government.
THe NRA, the Tea Party, the GOP and the militia movements all represent a loosely aligned coalition of right wing groups whose increasingly extremist and radical views promote fear and hatred against the federal government.
From NRA VP LaPierre;
".....just like all the other lies that have come out of this corrupt administration. It's all part -- it's all part of a massive Obama conspiracy to deceive voters and hide his true intentions to destroy the Second Amendment in our country. "
Politically charged hate speech, mostly propaganda with no factual basis.
THe NRA, the Tea Party, the GOP and the militia movements all represent a loosely aligned coalition of right wing groups whose increasingly extremist and radical views promote fear and hatred against the federal government.
From NRA VP LaPierre;
".....just like all the other lies that have come out of this corrupt administration. It's all part -- it's all part of a massive Obama conspiracy to deceive voters and hide his true intentions to destroy the Second Amendment in our country. "
Politically charged hate speech, mostly propaganda with no factual basis.