Beasty
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And the weapon of choice is?????
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andreboba
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If you think there's a way to stop violence itself, an impulse many believe is hardwired in our DNA, be my guest.
So if violence is innate, a civil society has to find ways to lessen the impact of indiscriminate violent outbursts.
If you buy a gun from a private seller at a Virginia gunshow, there's no background check or paperwork required. You don't even have to give your name.
Only federally licensed gun sellers are required to do background checks.
So if violence is innate, a civil society has to find ways to lessen the impact of indiscriminate violent outbursts.
If you buy a gun from a private seller at a Virginia gunshow, there's no background check or paperwork required. You don't even have to give your name.
Only federally licensed gun sellers are required to do background checks.
Beasty
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I hope violence is not hardwired, that would be, what would just suck...
That's crazy about the background checks.
The Dark King
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The Dark King
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This aggressive move for disarming citizens seems a little Stali esque to me indeed. One more time for the peanut gallery if you anti gun folk are so deeply concerned qbout safety why are you so involved in the gun debate when what theyre doing to your food is a thousands times more dangerous. None of you are marching about the environment or the or the aggressive push on the H1 visa situation. So again goes back to what you personally fear not whats dangerous for America as a whole.
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You have a darn good point there sir.
andreboba
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Nice deflection.
You wanna talk about food safety, start a thread about it. BTW how many people have read about who've died from contaminated food?. Just guessing that number nationwide is much less than those killed by firearms ever year.
Also there isn't a food industry lobby that's actively recruiting elected officials not to inspect food or regulate how it's prepared prior to distribution.
People have opinions about issues. DOesn't mean they count less if they aren't 'marching in the streets' or threatening to burn down Capitol Hill.
And people DO march about environmental issues.
Most Americans react to issues unfortunately after the fact. I don't think it's going to register to most skilled American workers how fucked up it is that corporations like Microsoft want to bring in highly skilled foreign engineers from developing countries and pay them a fraction of the salary they would give to comparable American workers.
Background checks for gun sales isn't about disarming anyone. Just like anyone who followed immigration reform knew there was no way in hell this government was going to round up all illegal immigrants and ship them back where they came from.
The problem for both remedies is still the same; logistics and MONEY.
Doesn't take crystal ball to know how disastrous it would be to try to 'confiscate' the guns of Americans who owned them LEGALLY.
Sorry but I haven't reached the point where the rate of gun deaths in this country is 'no big deal'.
pettyofficerj
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yo, did this cat just pop fly?
The Dark King
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If you dont realize that gmos are far more dangerous than guns then you arent reading enough and most skilled americans are aware of what places like microsoft are doi g they are under the impression it wont happen to them. Stark individualism is going to be the death of us all. And thats the thing its not just background checks, I truly wish people would stop spitting that bs out. Background checks are required by law. I dont want my magazine clip being limited to 7 bullets. I dont think two spree killings in the last year warrant legislation over that. It sounds way more like disarmament than public safety
The Dark King
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He has a deep fear of being shot you can tell
pettyofficerj
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im just sayin...
andreB gettin real brawlic' all of a sudden
better go create another thread before he gets diesel on u
andreboba
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Background checks aren't required by unlicensed private sellers.
Come down South. You can buy a gun from anyone almost anywhere.
At most you'll get a once over up and down by the seller and if you start talking CASH the deal is done.
There's a reason why most of the illegal guns in Northern states can be traced to sales in Southern states.
Also don't think you know the alleged threat posed by genetically modified foods. People are projecting potential problems years ahead, but I haven't seen any reports that genetically modified foods are killing people. Who's scared of what??
Also federal legislation won't regulate clip size. Not under this President.
States are passing laws that limit the size of magazines on their own.
There may be greater emotional security in knowing you can fire 20 rounds without reloading, but in reality if you need to fire that many consecutive rounds, you're in a major fucked up domestic firefight. How many gun owners are engaged in a 5-10 minute shootout to defend themselves??
pettyofficerj
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in reality, you really don't need 15...20....30 round clips/mags for self defense (especially if you consider the avg household probably keeps additional clips around). once you start firing you are more than likely to scare someone off to begin with.
100rd drum magazine is really bizarre for anything outside of a combat op where you need sustained firepower and less reloading. typically you see 100-200 round ammo boxes/drums on a squad support weapon like a m240/249, so you know that really makes you wonder what civilian use they have (is there going to be a support gunner helping you to defend your home, lol)
however...at what point are these laws interfering with people's rights. we as a country generally don't like being told what to do, yet we have legislators constantly doing so. Banning sugary drinks, telling us what we can and can not do in our cars, and so forth.
andreboba
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I think we're right up to the limit of regulations we're going to have on firearms.
They'll never be outlawed because it's in the Constitution and you'd need over 30 states to vote to amend it. Never happen.
What I think we'll see in the future is public places like malls, schools and churches are going to have a much larger invisible perimeter with detectors that signal when a person carrying firearms is within 100 yards.
Armed guards and early monitoring detection are the only way IMO to prevent spree killings.
You need to know when a mofo is pulling into the parking lot ready for war.
They'll never be outlawed because it's in the Constitution and you'd need over 30 states to vote to amend it. Never happen.
What I think we'll see in the future is public places like malls, schools and churches are going to have a much larger invisible perimeter with detectors that signal when a person carrying firearms is within 100 yards.
Armed guards and early monitoring detection are the only way IMO to prevent spree killings.
You need to know when a mofo is pulling into the parking lot ready for war.
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pettyofficerj
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which pose the age old economic question of whether or not the money involved implementing security is really worth it.
banks were used in an example I looked at in the past, and after a rash of robberies bank management was asked whether or not they would hire armed guards and install countermeasures like more cameras and bulletproof materials. immediately u'd assume 'fuck yeah' because you cant put a price on safety. however, many banks simply refused to do so because economically it was not smart to hire guards and spend TONS of money on security features, if their overall risk of being robbed did not validate doing so.
so they took their chances and ended up saving the scratch
whether or not they were robbed i dunno (hopefully not
), but you kinda see the point officials face when responding to threats. in a perfect world, there'd be armed guards everywhere and ud never have to worry about being shot or stabbed in school (of all places, sheesh)If anyone here has ever seen the training video called Defense Against Edged Weapons, it states that a knife in the hands of a well trained individual is a greater threat to a person than a gun. History shows that blunt and edged weapons came before the Chinese dicovered gunpowder. A knife is concealable. A knife can be thrown at someone and no one can hear that. Guns make statements and noise. A knife is stealthy. By themselves, guns and knives are nothing but solid objects until people put them to use. People kill people.
the problem with your arguments are now you are trying to shift. no one ever said anyone should not have a gun to defend themselves. the question is who would you rather face...a man with a gun or a knife?
most gun shootings are family/domestic/girlfriend-boyfriend related and accidental especially when compared to mass killings or mass attempted killings.
5 injured after firearms go off at Ohio, N.C., Indiana gun shows:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/19/us/north-carolina-gun-show-shooting
6-year-old N.J. boy accidentally shot by 4-year-old friend has died, police say
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...hot-by-4-year-old-friend-has-died-police-say/
Josephine Fanning Dead: Wife Of Tennessee Sheriff's Deputy Killed By 4-Year-Old Boy
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/09/josephine-fanning-dead-shooting_n_3042312.html
LI man shoots girlfriend in fight over zombies
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/li_man_shot_girlfriend_in_fight_iFYGRBVup4AJhCEOdD64EI
10 rounds in a rifle, shotgun or handgun is good. This is where training comes into play. More than that is unneccessary. There is nothing wrong with training. That's all I am saying.
yeah but you have to catch a mofo first to kill em.
with a gun you can be slow as shit a hit a mofo.
a gun can be concealed just like a knife, you can see a knife coming if thrown better than a bullet, the kill range of a knife is bullshit compared to a gun
if a knife is so stealthy and efficient compared to a gun as you are trying to make a case...then when was the last drive by knife throw you heard of or why didnt the navy seals use a knife and swords to kill bin laden versus a gun