Trayvon Martin's Murder

Eye of Ra said:
My opinion on this matter is not based any "evidence" but on straight common sense and logic. Doesn't matter if an actual police officer or a police dispatcher told him not to pursue & engage Martin. He took it upon himself to do the job of the police and follow & engage someone he though was suspicious. He was told not to do it for a reason. To avoid a possible incident with someone who may not have actually been intent on any wrong doing. Why did Zimmerman feel the need to engage Martin when all he needed to do was continue to observe what Martin was doing & where he was going? Had Martin actually been up to no good Zimmerman doing nothing more than keeping him under observation until the police came would have done more good as far as letting the police know exactly where Martin was and apprehending him, since Zimmerman was self appointed "Neighborhood Watch".

What exactly was Martin doing other than walking in the neighborhood that Zimmerman thought he needed to engage him before the police arrived to deal with him?

You or any other Zimmerman defender answer that question please since none of you can ever offer up any logical reason for him to do so other than Martin was young & black and therefore had every right to approach Martin just on that reason alone??
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I'm not a Zimmerman defender. I only apply what the facts, evidence and laws are, to the situations. And I don't understand how it's "logic," if you're asserting something without any evidence or first hand knowledge of the situation to back it up?

And YES, it does matter if a 911 dispatcher or a police officer told him not to do something. Had it been a sworn officer, Zimmerman would have been brought up on a lot more charges.
 
Stumper said:
I'm not a Zimmerman defender. I only apply what the facts, evidence and laws are, to the situations. And I don't understand how it's "logic," if you're asserting something without any evidence or first hand knowledge of the situation to back it up?
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I'm asserting the same way you & everyone else are. You read or hear something and formed an opinion based on your own observation & experiences.
 
Stumper said:
I understand if Z stayed in his car, nothing would've happened. But he did get out, which isn't against the law either. Had a uniformed officer told him to stay put, he would be responsible for every charge that occurred after.
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Provoking an unarmed man into a confrontation that results in you killing him with a weapon is against the law! I am sure SYG does not mean to SYG after you cause the situation.
 
andreboba said:
Zimmerman didn't stop following Trayvon. Remember his last comment was, 'they always get away,' and ended the call. It was at this point Zimmerman ran after Trayvon because he lost visual contact.

Armed civilians just can't follow people at night assuming they might commit a crime.

Imagine if Zimmerman saw someone actually breaking into a condo?? What was Zimmerman prepared to do if he told them to stop and they didn't??

Blast all the suspects and justify his actions that he was preventing a robbery?? No, that's not how it works. You can't do that.

Fact is if Zimmerman never got out of his car, none of this would have gone down the way it did.


Stumper, that document dump has nothing to do with why Trayvon was shot. Zimmerman had no knowledge about Trayvon's background before he killed him, which is still irrelevant. Smoking weed?? Doesn't mean you deserve to get killed. Fought in school?? Who fucking cares??

Zimmerman is the guy who assaulted a cop and resisted arrest, but his daddy the judge got the charges dropped.

I don't know what the sentencing options are in this case, but on the face of it I'd assume Zimmerman had a very good chance of being convicted of 2nd degree manslaughter, at least.
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Not true
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
 
Stumper said:
He does have a concealed license though. He is, under law, allowed to carry a firearm. It's just my opinion, but I don't think Z followed Martin with his gun drawn. I feel he wanted to ask him what he was doing in the neighborhood, since he had never seen him around. I think this is the road the defense will go down.

I understand if Z stayed in his car, nothing would've happened. But he did get out, which isn't against the law either. Had a uniformed officer told him to stay put, he would be responsible for every charge that occurred after.

I agree, the smoking weed picture and gun picture aren't relevant. However, if this trial goes to character content, the texts, the suspensions from school for fighting are highly relevant. It shows that Martin HAD been a fight, and in multiple instances. You can't attack or pull up Zimmermans past and use it against him, and expect the defense not to do the same against Martin.
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Are you allowed to bring up the character of someone who can't defend themselves or put it into context.
Neighborhood watch is suppose to observe and report not question people they think are suspects. Its not their role and like I said this entire thing could have been avoided if dude identified himself.
 
andreboba said:
Well, the confrontation happened after that phone call concluded. Which means that Zimmerman was still following Trayvon even after that phone call to police, unless you believe Travyon was waiting patiently until Zimmerman finished his phonecall, then jumped him..
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According to him Treyvon ran and circled around to catch him by surprise. To me its all speculation but the fact remains it could have all been avoided by a simple identification. I know a lot of people want to say there's no law against following someone even though we all know for a fact had the roles been reversed they'd demand that he executed on the spot. The idea of a young black man following you at night in the rain would make most whites shit their pants with fear so I don't get why this should be any different for Treyvon. I do think its possible that he confronted Zimmerman if for no other reason to make sure he didn't get robbed since there were a lot of b&e in the area.
 
Stumper said:
No, the police didn't tell him not to follow him. A 911 dispatcher, who is not a sworn officer, told him not to pursue. And again, you're injecting your own opinion about Z. Based on the evidence so far, you have no proof that he racially profiled, or pursued Martin because of his skin color.

The whole situation makes me sick, purely because a young man is dead, in what seems to me, from a massive misunderstanding, and over reaction in fear. I do not believe Z had an intent on killing him, but horribly misrepresented himself when he walked up to Martin. Martin retaliated, the two struggled, and Zimmerman shot him.

Just my opinion though.
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The Dark King said:
Are you allowed to bring up the character of someone who can't defend themselves or put it into context.
Neighborhood watch is suppose to observe and report not question people they think are suspects. Its not their role and like I said this entire thing could have been avoided if dude identified himself.
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The Dark King said:
According to him Treyvon ran and circled around to catch him by surprise. To me its all speculation but the fact remains it could have all been avoided by a simple identification. I know a lot of people want to say there's no law against following someone even though we all know for a fact had the roles been reversed they'd demand that he executed on the spot. The idea of a young black man following you at night in the rain would make most whites shit their pants with fear so I don't get why this should be any different for Treyvon. I do think its possible that he confronted Zimmerman if for no other reason to make sure he didn't get robbed since there were a lot of b&e in the area.
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why it all couldnt it have been avoided if Z performed thye title of what organization he was part of ...Neighborhood watch...emphasizing the word "watch". thus his dumb cowboy ass was to call the police and let them well....police.

why should it be the burden be on trayvon?
 
Judge in the case has denied nearly all the bullshit about Trayvon released to the media as being inadmissible in this case.

That's why some of us said most of the character evidence being spread about Trayvon by the Zimmerman defense team was about tainting a future jury anyway.
 
Stumper said:
Did you read the last statement?

The evidence could be submitted later in the trial...just not in the opening statements.
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Yes, I read the last statement but that still doesn't change the rules as it relates to the introduction of the evidence, and the purposes that it could be used for. They key word is could. My guess is that it won't be allowed at that point for the same reasons that it won't be allowed in the opening statement: it isn't relevant evidence.
 
Since1980 said:
Yes, I read the last statement but that still doesn't change the rules as it relates to the introduction of the evidence, and the purposes that it could be used for. They key word is could. My guess is that it won't be allowed at that point for the same reasons that it won't be allowed in the opening statement: it isn't relevant evidence.
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Then the prosecution is throwing out the past of Zimmerman?
 
pettyofficerj said:
Yeah
a book deal and a reality show
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The Dark King said:
Neighborhood Watch for both. I want royalties dammit
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Nope!...Trayvon Martin has the sympathy and support from the president and the mainstream press,...... there will be great pressure to seat a jury to take down and convict him.... among other things, to set an example.....It's a damn shame but, when it begins, this case will be the biggest thing to divide the country down racial lines since the O.J Simpson trail......emotions are very strong on both sides !...............
 
Archman said:
Nope!...Trayvon Martin has the sympathy and support from the president and the mainstream press,...... there will be great pressure to seat a jury to take down and convict him.... among other things, to set an example.....It's a damn shame but, when it begins, this case will be the biggest thing to divide the country down racial lines since the O.J Simpson trail......emotions are very strong on both sides !...............
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I think it would be impossible to find everything that is absolutely and completely wrong with this post.

The president, the public, you, me have nothing to do with this trial. Somebody shouldn't be paraded out as a sacrificial lamb just to fucking appease a mob. Let's go back to the late 1800's for that shit...
 
Archman said:
Nope!...Trayvon Martin has the sympathy and support from the president and the mainstream press,...... there will be great pressure to seat a jury to take down and convict him.... among other things, to set an example.....It's a damn shame but, when it begins, this case will be the biggest thing to divide the country down racial lines since the O.J Simpson trail......emotions are very strong on both sides !...............
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except OJ was a former professional athlete and MANY white sports fans sided with the guy on that reason alone
 
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