Trayvon Martin's Murder

Bliss said:
You can blame the Prosecution, for asking her to do that.

In their rebuttal - their LAST FINAL chance to make an impact - his first 2 minutes were spent asking the jury specifically to wonder 'what was in GZ's heart that night?'...

For the next 9 mins he pretty much continued to talk/ask "WHAT DID GEORGE ZIMMERMAN HAVE IN HIS HEART that night?!"

Begins at 2:00 - 11.00
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I think I, or you, could have done a better rebuttal opening. The Prosecution failed Trayvon, imo.
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But here's the thing bliss. And I'm not trying to argue with you and please keep in mind that I've not slept so I don't know how coherent this will be.

First:
I agree with your statement that the prosecution failed Trayvon. But I don't think when you put it all together it was not an on purpose attempt to do so.
When you seep rate the facts from the emotions we have g with a past and who assigned himself watch man. He wanted to be a cop. Was taking mma and targeted Martin for no probably cause.
Just a kid walking through a neighborhood.

Now comes the more emotional aspect and upsetting conclusion
Why did Zimmerman target him. What was in his heart?
If that had been a white boy would his actions have been the same?

What was in his heart indeed.

The judge told them not to use emotion to render a verdict.

I don't think they did. Their virdict made no sense in the light of just the evidence.

And that's my take on it.
 
Archman said:
In the mean time:


40 People Were Shot Over The Weekend In Chicago

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From Chicago Breaking News
At least 40 people were shot over the weekend across Chicago, with seven of them slain, according to police logs.
The toll covers a period from 8:43 p.m. Friday–after violent storms hit the city–to 6:39 this morning.
On Sunday, Chicago Police Superintendent Jody Weis acknowledged a high number shootings over the weekend and attributed more than half of them to the work of gangs.
The total from overnight Sunday into this morning was at least 18, including a 1-year-old girl who suffered a graze wound and a 44-year-old man who was shot in the head and killed.

Can we pay some tribute to those victims too?.....
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I'm hoping those in LA rioting the Walmart, liquor store and fast food restaurant, and the gang beating up a WM in Milwaukee "for Trayvon" will stop for a moment of silence for the 40 Chicago victims.

May I please add to the list & request the same for 10 victims murdered in Philly, over same weekend?
Thank you.

10 homicides in Philadelphia since Saturday
Posted: Tuesday, July 16, 2013, 7:49 AM

Ten people have been killed in Philadelphia since Saturday, an unusually deadly four-day span in the city. The killings, which have all involved gun violence, have been reported across the city and are not related.

Police have not announced arrests in any of the slayings.


* Shortly after midnight, a 21-year-old man was found fatally shot in a car on North Marvine Street. The man, whose name has not been released, was shot once in the head, police said.


* Just an hour earlier, about 10:45 p.m., 20-year-old Tyrone Hayes was shot in the chest In North Philadelphia. He was taken to Hahnemann University Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 11:10 p.m.
Police said the motive in the killing was unknown.


* Another killing was reported in the city earlier... At about 5:30 p.m., 31-year-old Anthony Bailey was fatally shot in North Philadelphia.


* And at around 2:30 a.m., 35-year-old Derrick Thomas was killed after he was shot in Hunting Park.


* At 10 p.m. Sunday, 21-year-old Craig Jackson was shot in the chest in North Philadelphia during an argument.


* At 9 p.m. Sunday, a 32-year-old man was shot in the chest, arms and leg in Grays Ferry. The victim's name was not released and no motive was known in the killing.


* Shortly after 11 a.m. Sunday, 21-year-old Alfred McCory was fatally shot in the head and back in Kensington. Police did not know the motive for the slaying.


* At about 1 a.m. Sunday, 43-year-old William Kenneth Wise was shot in the head in North Philadelphia. The motive was not known.


* At about 4 p.m. Saturday, 17-year-old Tremaine Rogers was shot to death during an argument in Overbrook.


* At about 7:15 a.m. Saturday, when 45-year-old Joseph Wisman was fatally shot in the chest during an apparent robbery in Southwest Philadelphia.


http://www.philly.com/philly/news/1...lphia_since_Saturday.html#HWrEJvBAwYKgSdPe.99
 
Bliss said:
I'm hoping those in LA rioting the Walmart, liquor store and fast food restaurant, and the gang beating up a WM in Milwaukee "for Trayvon" will stop for a moment of silence for the 40 Chicago victims.

May I please add to the list & request the same for 10 victims murdered in Philly, over same weekend?
Thank you.

10 homicides in Philadelphia since Saturday
Posted: Tuesday, July 16, 2013, 7:49 AM

Ten people have been killed in Philadelphia since Saturday, an unusually deadly four-day span in the city. The killings, which have all involved gun violence, have been reported across the city and are not related.

Police have not announced arrests in any of the slayings.


* Shortly after midnight, a 21-year-old man was found fatally shot in a car on North Marvine Street. The man, whose name has not been released, was shot once in the head, police said.


* Just an hour earlier, about 10:45 p.m., 20-year-old Tyrone Hayes was shot in the chest In North Philadelphia. He was taken to Hahnemann University Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 11:10 p.m.
Police said the motive in the killing was unknown.


* Another killing was reported in the city earlier... At about 5:30 p.m., 31-year-old Anthony Bailey was fatally shot in North Philadelphia.


* And at around 2:30 a.m., 35-year-old Derrick Thomas was killed after he was shot in Hunting Park.


* At 10 p.m. Sunday, 21-year-old Craig Jackson was shot in the chest in North Philadelphia during an argument.


* At 9 p.m. Sunday, a 32-year-old man was shot in the chest, arms and leg in Grays Ferry. The victim's name was not released and no motive was known in the killing.


* Shortly after 11 a.m. Sunday, 21-year-old Alfred McCory was fatally shot in the head and back in Kensington. Police did not know the motive for the slaying.


* At about 1 a.m. Sunday, 43-year-old William Kenneth Wise was shot in the head in North Philadelphia. The motive was not known.


* At about 4 p.m. Saturday, 17-year-old Tremaine Rogers was shot to death during an argument in Overbrook.


* At about 7:15 a.m. Saturday, when 45-year-old Joseph Wisman was fatally shot in the chest during an apparent robbery in Southwest Philadelphia.


http://www.philly.com/philly/news/1...lphia_since_Saturday.html#HWrEJvBAwYKgSdPe.99
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When people are being shot to death because of an argument? This is why I'm torn on the whole gun issue. I see no problem owning one for protection or hunting, but when they are so readily available and get into the hands of people who don't use them responsibily....we have this.
 
Why do people continue to post current stats of recent murders???
Is the implication who cares if Trayvon was shot by Zimmerman because murders happen daily??

And please stop telling me how many Black men are being killed in Chicago, unless you wanna specifically discuss the horrific tragedy happening in that city daily.

Otherwise it's a diversionary tactic to diminish the tragic murder of Trayvon Martin by a neighborhood vigilante.

It's a damn shame the state prosecution team never built a narrative around the psychological impact of being followed at night by a stranger tailing you in his car, then getting out on foot to pursue you.

Even as a grown man I'm putting myself in fight mode if that ever happened to me.

When you read the jury instructions and see how much SYG played into how they were supposed to decide this case, I can see why this verdict was so screwed up.
 
andreboba said:
Why do people continue to post current stats of recent murders???
Is the implication who cares if Trayvon was shot by Zimmerman because murders happen daily??

And please stop telling me how many Black men are being killed in Chicago, unless you wanna specifically discuss the horrific tragedy happening in that city daily.

Otherwise it's a diversionary tactic to diminish the tragic murder of Trayvon Martin by a neighborhood vigilante.

It's a damn shame the state prosecution team never built a narrative around the psychological impact of being followed at night by a stranger tailing you in his car, then getting out on foot to pursue you.

Even as a grown man I'm putting myself in fight mode if that ever happened to me.

When you read the jury instructions and see how much SYG played into how they were supposed to decide this case, I can see why this verdict was so screwed up.
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Hey. I bought a ring yo

It has your name on it.
 
chesbaygrl7 said:

When people are being shot to death because of an argument?] This is why I'm torn on the whole gun issue. I see no problem owning one for protection or hunting, but when they are so readily available and get into the hands of people who don't use them responsibily....we have this.
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It makes one ask, what it the value of a life anymore?
 
Wrong

andreboba said:
Why do people continue to post current stats of recent murders???
Is the implication who cares if Trayvon was shot by Zimmerman because murders happen daily??
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AndreB, it's sad that you're suggesting people speaking out on additional concentrated murders across the country are implying, 'See? Murder is so common, why ya'll care about Trayvon?' Ridiculous!

In fact, we here are asking of our own Mayor - who continues to speak about the tragedy in Florida - when is he ALSO going to speak on 17-year-old Philadelphian Tremaine Rogers, who was shot to death during an argument. No fight - just heated words. His mother wants to know.

andreboba said:
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And please stop telling me how many Black men are being killed in Chicago, unless you wanna specifically discuss the horrific tragedy happening in that city daily.

Otherwise it's a diversionary tactic to diminish the tragic murder of Trayvon Martin by a neighborhood vigilante.
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I think CHICAGOANS would LOVE for America and its leaders to finally DISCUSS what is happening there daily. I actually heard a prominent Leader reply to a reporter about the 50+ shootings over the 4th of July weekend, "Well, it's to be expected.....the weather, you know."
Really?
How about calling out your AG to initiate an investigation to WTH is going on, and spur a dialogue about finding solutions. Eric Holder had the NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT on him at the NAACP dinner, yet I didn't hear any sound-bite from him about all these other murders also being "an unnecessary shooting"

So sorry, but the greatest diversionary tactic is NOT throwing a spotlight on the continuous pile-of-dead-bodies of our future young men, but the preposterous accusation that to DARE TO DO SO is only being done to try to diminish Trayvon's death.
 
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Bliss said:
AndreB, it's sad that you're suggesting people speaking out on additional concentrated murders across the country are implying, 'See? Murder is so common, why ya'll care about Trayvon?' Ridiculous!

In fact, we here are asking of our own Mayor - who continues to speak about the tragedy in Florida - when is he ALSO going to speak on 17-year-old Philadelphian Tremaine Rogers, who was shot to death during an argument. No fight - just heated words. His mother wants to know.



I think CHICAGOANS would LOVE for America and its leaders to finally DISCUSS what is happening there daily. I actually heard a prominent Leader reply to a reporter about the 50+ shootings over the 4th of July weekend, "Well, it's to be expected.....the weather, you know."
Really?
How about calling out your AG to initiate an investigation to WTH is going on, and spur a dialogue about finding solutions. Eric Holder had the NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT on him at the NAACP dinner, yet I didn't hear any sound-bite from him about all these other murders also being "an unnecessary shooting"

So sorry, but the greatest diversionary tactic is NOT throwing a spotlight on the continuous pile-of-dead-bodies of our future young men, but the preposterous accusation that to DARE TO DO SO is only being done to try to diminish Trayvon's death.
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Chicago has been a blood-bath for over a century...
 
Bliss said:
AndreB, it's sad that you're suggesting people speaking out on additional concentrated murders across the country are implying, 'See? Murder is so common, why ya'll care about Trayvon?' Ridiculous!

In fact, we here are asking of our own Mayor - who continues to speak about the tragedy in Florida - when is he ALSO going to speak on 17-year-old Philadelphian Tremaine Rogers, who was shot to death during an argument. No fight - just heated words. His mother wants to know.



I think CHICAGOANS would LOVE for America and its leaders to finally DISCUSS what is happening there daily. I actually heard a prominent Leader reply to a reporter about the 50+ shootings over the 4th of July weekend, "Well, it's to be expected.....the weather, you know."
Really?
How about calling out your AG to initiate an investigation to WTH is going on, and spur a dialogue about finding solutions. Eric Holder had the NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT on him at the NAACP dinner, yet I didn't hear any sound-bite from him about all these other murders also being "an unnecessary shooting"

So sorry, but the greatest diversionary tactic is NOT throwing a spotlight on the continuous pile-of-dead-bodies of our future young men, but the preposterous accusation that to DARE TO DO SO is only being done to try to diminish Trayvon's death.
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A lot/most I'd that is gang violence fueled by drug turf wars. Want to stop alot of that shit decriminalize weed and stop the drug war. Its purely economic I don't get what you and Arch don't get about that.
 
The Dark King said:
A lot/most I'd that is gang violence fueled by drug turf wars. Want to stop alot of that shit decriminalize weed and stop the drug war. Its purely economic I don't get what you and Arch don't get about that.
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so true. they did it for alcohol and its killing people and destroying marriages all over the place.
 
There should have NEVER even been a trial. The moment Zimmerman disobeyed a direct order from the police to stand down, he was at fault ..... PERIOD.

You really don't want a society to allow neighborhood watch people with guns disobeying a direct police order. As a whole, you will come to regret that. The idea that he went ABOVE AND BEYOND by disobeying a direct order is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. Its obvious those women on the jury doesn't have kids. You NEVER take a disobey order as going above and beyond.

In the military, if zimmerman had disobeyed his commanding officer and someone had gotten killed because of it, he would have been court martial BIG TIME.

I really don't understand the women who are taking his side. This would be like if she told a guy NO but he kept going anyway. I always thought women were of the notion NO means NO.

If there is one thing the Zimmerman case brought out is the hypocrosy that goes on in this country even among women.
 
ArmyRanger said:
There should have NEVER even been a trial. The moment Zimmerman disobeyed a direct order from the police to stand down, he was at fault ..... PERIOD.

You really don't want a society to allow neighborhood watch people with guns disobeying a direct police order. As a whole, you will come to regret that. The idea that he went ABOVE AND BEYOND by disobeying a direct order is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. Its obvious those women on the jury doesn't have kids. You NEVER take a disobey order as going above and beyond.

In the military, if zimmerman had disobeyed his commanding officer and someone had gotten killed because of it, he would have been court martial BIG TIME.

I really don't understand the women who are taking his side. This would be like if she told a guy NO but he kept going anyway. I always thought women were of the notion NO means NO.

If there is one thing the Zimmerman case brought out is the hypocrosy that goes on in this country even among women.
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she stated that zim had the right to defend himnself.....what about tray's....oh I forgot....blacks dont have rights
 
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