Trayvon Martin's Murder

Gorath said:
Those who were the victims who had lost their lives or were seriously injured did not set out to be victims. They were just people who were doing their own things. Minding their own business. Neither was thinking of or aspiring to be victims. Violence is unpredictable. And it is everywhere. We just do not know whom, how or where it will happen. What all these victims do become are statistics. For along time 2nd Amendment lobbyists and politicians have been fighting long and hard to prevent gun control. I am all for it and I agree that something must be done. But, I advocate training and education rather than stockpiling an arsenal for the end of society/zombie apocalypse, the new civil/race war or global catastrophe. The only solution I see is to train in unarmed combat if a person is unable to purchase a ccl, learn survival skills(urban and wilderness), learn knife fighting and archery. If a person is licensed, use only the weapons they know and are comfortable with. You don't have to have an AR or an AK to defend yourself. Train. Most important of all is that a person must be aware at all times.
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Well - you know, you're right. Your solutions for unarmed combat, survival skills and archery sound reasonable and agreeable to most people. Unarmed combat sounds like something that would make the most sense. (Ie - if something non-lethal was used on a person instead of a gun). It appears as though Congress adamantly refuses to enforce gun control on a federal level. I'm not sure if federal legislation on gun control would get passed in the 2014 midterm elections in Florida or in the 2016 presidential elections because I know many Republicans in the House such as Cantor, Boehner and McConnell would refuse. What's even more scary is that a Republican could win the presidency by then and keep gun laws enforced with no regulation. Unfortunately, this looks like it's going to be a long term problem for our country. There must be a fix to solve something that sounds so simple to correct.
 
Judge needs to put a gag order on the jurorsthey All need to shut up.

I saw that juror on TV crying for tryvons death and then defending zimmermans right to kill him.

Fuck you, twat.

You can't have it both ways.
 
40 People Were Shot Over The Weekend In Chicago


Bliss said:
10 homicides in Philadelphia since Saturday
Posted: Tuesday, July 16, 2013, 7:49 AM

Ten people have been killed in Philadelphia since Saturday, an unusually deadly four-day span in the city. The killings, which have all involved gun violence, have been reported across the city and are not related.

Police have not announced arrests in any of the slayings.


* Shortly after midnight, a 21-year-old man was found fatally shot in a car on North Marvine Street. The man, whose name has not been released, was shot once in the head, police said.


* Just an hour earlier, about 10:45 p.m., 20-year-old Tyrone Hayes was shot in the chest In North Philadelphia. He was taken to Hahnemann University Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 11:10 p.m.
Police said the motive in the killing was unknown.


* Another killing was reported in the city earlier... At about 5:30 p.m., 31-year-old Anthony Bailey was fatally shot in North Philadelphia.


* And at around 2:30 a.m., 35-year-old Derrick Thomas was killed after he was shot in Hunting Park.


* At 10 p.m. Sunday, 21-year-old Craig Jackson was shot in the chest in North Philadelphia during an argument.


* At 9 p.m. Sunday, a 32-year-old man was shot in the chest, arms and leg in Grays Ferry. The victim's name was not released and no motive was known in the killing.


* Shortly after 11 a.m. Sunday, 21-year-old Alfred McCory was fatally shot in the head and back in Kensington. Police did not know the motive for the slaying.


* At about 1 a.m. Sunday, 43-year-old William Kenneth Wise was shot in the head in North Philadelphia. The motive was not known.


* At about 4 p.m. Saturday, 17-year-old Tremaine Rogers was shot to death during an argument in Overbrook.


* At about 7:15 a.m. Saturday, when 45-year-old Joseph Wisman was fatally shot in the chest during an apparent robbery in Southwest Philadelphia.
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FG said:
And the 19 murders in 12 days in Los Angeles
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andreboba said:
Why do people continue to post current stats of recent murders???
Is the implication who cares if Trayvon was shot by Zimmerman because murders happen daily??

And please stop telling me how many Black men are being killed in Chicago, unless you wanna specifically discuss the horrific tragedy happening in that city daily.

Otherwise it's a diversionary tactic to diminish the tragic murder of Trayvon Martin by a neighborhood vigilante.

It's a damn shame the state prosecution team never built a narrative around the psychological impact of being followed at night by a stranger tailing you in his car, then getting out on foot to pursue you.

Even as a grown man I'm putting myself in fight mode if that ever happened to me.

When you read the jury instructions and see how much SYG played into how they were supposed to decide this case, I can see why this verdict was so screwed up.
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The Dark King said:
A lot/most I'd that is gang violence fueled by drug turf wars. Want to stop alot of that shit decriminalize weed and stop the drug war. Its purely economic I don't get what you and Arch don't get about that.
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For the sake of minimizing the argument, Even we are to use just your black myopic view of the world .......Let us accept your premise that the motives are economical.....Is that an excuse for shooting all of those people in all those cities ??....George Zimmerman did not do all of that shooting...he had his day in court....But where is your rage against the rest of the shooters??.....Does all those black fathers, brothers and uncles eliminated as head of house-hold help black familys economically??.....
 
Archman said:
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For the sake of minimizing the argument, Even we are to use just your black myopic view of the world .......Let us accept your premise that the motives are economical.....Is that an excuse for shooting all of those people in all those cities ??....George Zimmerman did not do all of that shooting...he had his day in court....But where is your rage against the rest of the shooters??.....Does all those black fathers, brothers and uncles eliminated as head of house-hold help black familys economically??.....
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All those people are casualties of the drug war. Treyvon Martin is the casualty of the corrupt Sanford judicial system. There is a difference and im sorry you can't see it.
 
True Army Ranger. The conservatives are using every excuse of justify Mr.Z's act of killing Mr.Martin. On the radio talk shows and Fox News Mr.Z is glorified as a hero and dissing Mr.Martin on the alleged bad things he did even though Mr.Martin was not even involved on those acts on the night of his death:He was just comming home from the store.
 
The Dark King said:
So the correlation between low income and crime areas through out the world from Memphis to Nigeria and Ireland to Honduras is a coincidence? Ok Bliss whatever you say lol
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I showed you my post to show you I was first to suggest to you gangs and the drug trade as a reason.
In addition, I also included PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY, which oddly, you never include, fighting it as a reason at all.

Furthermore, can you please stop bringing up the country of Ireland every single time in discussions, to compare them to murders in the USA. They had 54 killings last year, and less the year before that.

So I will say again to you - BEING POOR in the USA does NOT mean you are a murderer or will murder! Sheesh, stop with the BS comparative already.
 
Soulthinker said:
Can someone explain South Boston where several generation Irish-Americans who became toxic:Being in gangs and involvement in crime?
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What would you like explained?

These are totals for all of BOSTON
(which includes South Boston and the "Irish-Americans" you asked about)...

There were 52 murders in 2012

63 murders in 2011

72 murders in 2010

50 murders in 2009

63 murders in 2008

66 murders in 2007, etc..

Numbers have been pretty consistent thru the decade.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2012_murders_in_boston/
 
Bliss said:
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I showed you my post to show you I was first to suggest to you gangs and the drug trade as a reason.
In addition, I also included PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY, which oddly, you never include, fighting it as a reason at all.

Furthermore, can you please stop bringing up the country of Ireland every single time in discussions, to compare them to murders in the USA. They had 54 killings last year, and less the year before that.

So I will say again to you - BEING POOR in the USA does NOT mean you are a murderer or will murder! Sheesh, stop with the BS comparative already.
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This, I agree with. There are plenty of poor people in the US and all over the world that don't murder their neighbors, strangers, etc.

My Mom was just talking today about how she grew up poor and her family was on "relief" (that's what they called welfare back then) and how her family never resorted to violence.

There is just something else going on in these communities that are making the people there turn to gangs and violence as a way of life. It's more than just economics (though I know they play a part in some way).

It's time to find the root cause.
 
The Dark King said:
Because he's not black blacks don't have hearts
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We're just scary, rapping, dancing, slam-dunking, hyper-athletic, gold bedecked boogiemen.

jaisee said:
I listened to rap all my life and sometimes I still do. I am not a thug, I am a computer security analyst. I know first hand that rap music alone does not equate to a criminal lifestyle. There are some rappers out there who have a very positive message.

If a white person made a song about killing blacks, raping black women, selling drugs in the ghetto, and how much more successful they are than blacks, you'd be up in arms.... how can you talk about what a shame it is that black life means nothing in America, then turn around and defend an 'art form' that evangelizes that exact sentiment? I struggle to understand what it is about gangsta rap music that you are defending, aside from the fact that you enjoy it.
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They do. The band is called Skrewdriver. Lol

Archman said:
In the mean time:

40 People Were Shot Over The Weekend In Chicago

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From Chicago Breaking News
At least 40 people were shot over the weekend across Chicago, with seven of them slain, according to police logs.
The toll covers a period from 8:43 p.m. Friday–after violent storms hit the city–to 6:39 this morning.
On Sunday, Chicago Police Superintendent Jody Weis acknowledged a high number shootings over the weekend and attributed more than half of them to the work of gangs.
The total from overnight Sunday into this morning was at least 18, including a 1-year-old girl who suffered a graze wound and a 44-year-old man who was shot in the head and killed.

Can we pay some tribute to those victims too?.....
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For all those innocent bystanders, I agree, we should honor them as well. But the sad truth is that much of Chicago's gun crime problem is gang-related. One gang member killing another. Chicago is the motherland of gangs, probably even more so than L.A. It's depressing.
 
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And now the flash mob robberies have begun in LA. Opportunists using the peaceful TM demonstration. So very sad.
 
Bliss said:
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I showed you my post to show you I was first to suggest to you gangs and the drug trade as a reason.
In addition, I also included PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY, which oddly, you never include, fighting it as a reason at all.

Furthermore, can you please stop bringing up the country of Ireland every single time in discussions, to compare them to murders in the USA. They had 54 killings last year, and less the year before that.

So I will say again to you - BEING POOR in the USA does NOT mean you are a murderer or will murder! Sheesh, stop with the BS comparative already.
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Stop ignoring the much bigger problem. This goes far beyond personal accountability when these people grow up in gang infested areas and have to pick a side to survive especially in cities like Chicago where the black unemployment is over double the national average. Just like we see im Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, Jamaica etc if the local economy has no way for you to earn money and eat its either join the gang or starve.
 
Bookworm616 said:
This, I agree with. There are plenty of poor people in the US and all over the world that don't murder their neighbors, strangers, etc.

My Mom was just talking today about how she grew up poor and her family was on "relief" (that's what they called welfare back then) and how her family never resorted to violence.

There is just something else going on in these communities that are making the people there turn to gangs and violence as a way of life. It's more than just economics (though I know they play a part in some way).

It's time to find the root cause.
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The drug wars.
Here's my question if these people don't join gangs how do they realistically feed themselves and their family?
 
Archman said:
40 People Were Shot Over The Weekend In Chicago











For the sake of minimizing the argument, Even we are to use just your black myopic view of the world .......Let us accept your premise that the motives are economical.....Is that an excuse for shooting all of those people in all those cities ??....George Zimmerman did not do all of that shooting...he had his day in court....But where is your rage against the rest of the shooters??.....Does all those black fathers, brothers and uncles eliminated as head of house-hold help black familys economically??.....
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Here's a question that gets asked of you & other like minded individuals on this site all the time : Other than posting up these statistics & always asking why other people aren't outraged about black on black crime as you are, exactly what are YOU doing to specifically help address these concerns? If you and other liked mined individuals are so outraged & embarrassed about the state of the black community and YOU aren't doing anything but posting up stats & stories on the internet in the hopes that it motivates other people to take action when you yourself aren't motivated to get involved & take action, then you & every other like minded individual are wasting your time. Lead by example. If you're not leading then why are you & others surprised when others follow your example by not being proactive and taking action?
 
The Dark King said:
The drug wars.
Here's my question if these people don't join gangs how do they realistically feed themselves and their family?
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There are people on this planet rising above their economic situations every damn day.

Like they say: if there's a will, there's a way. You make sacrifices to move your family out of the "war" zones into an even slightly better neighborhood and you stay there until you can make another sacrifice to move your family up again.

And you don't have like 5 babies by the time you're 23.

These are choices that people are actively making and which keeps them living the way they are....and then there are the choices of others who do everything in their power to get away from the situation they were born into and make a different living.

It's more than possible to do if you put your mind to it. And people are doing it every day.

It's called taking personal responsibility and not relying on others to make a better life for you.
 
Bookworm616 said:
There are people on this planet rising above their economic situations every damn day.

Like they say: if there's a will, there's a way. You make sacrifices to move your family out of the "war" zones into an even slightly better neighborhood and you stay there until you can make another sacrifice to move your family up again.

And you don't have like 5 babies by the time you're 23.

These are choices that people are actively making and which keeps them living the way they are....and then there are the choices of others who do everything in their power to get away from the situation they were born into and make a different living.

It's more than possible to do if you put your mind to it. And people are doing it every day.

It's called taking personal responsibility and not relying on others to make a better life for you.
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Book how much contact do you have with these people because what you're saying sounds asinine. These people in these neighborhoods have little to no way of socially mobilizing. What sacrifices can you makes when you are barely holding it together. I agree they shouldn't be having a shit ton of kids but this goes far beyond simple personal responsibility. Its hard as fuck for middle class well educated white people to make ends meet these days so imagine of your poor black and uneducated. You expect these people to get advances degrees in STEM majors? Im not saying its impossible but let's keep things in perspective. How does one feed themselves in southside Chicago with no education and a possible criminal record. The gangs are usually the only ones who will have then.
 
Ra said:
Here's a question that gets asked of you & other like minded individuals on this site all the time : Other than posting up these statistics & always asking why other people aren't outraged about black on black crime as you are, exactly what are YOU doing to specifically help address these concerns? If you and other liked mined individuals are so outraged & embarrassed about the state of the black community and YOU aren't doing anything but posting up stats & stories on the internet in the hopes that it motivates other people to take action when you yourself aren't motivated to get involved & take action, then you & every other like minded individual are wasting your time. Lead by example. If you're not leading then why are you & others surprised when others follow your example by not being proactive and taking action?
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Couldn't agree more Ra
In response to your question this is what I was DOING in 95 degree weather yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdJl-UkYnqQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 
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