Black men vs black men

True,generation by generation. The right wing are always in denial when it comes to Blacks. True some Blacks advance over the years between 1865 to today but over the years a lot of horrible acts had being made like for example using slave labor via the penal system,red lineling homes,expulsion of lands,lynching,not being treated like a human being, etc. Then of course the jobs route came and in the last 30 years dried up. In the meantime the criminal underworld did not bring money to build the hoods but to suck the people dry. The dealers of those drugs did not be as big like the Italian,Irish,or even the Latino mobs. A lot of rappers name themselves after White mob figures not Black ones. The look of success does not mean a thing since showing off and spending wealth instead of of investing. Plus,in the sports world there is no cohesion of Black athetes. It is a hard job to lift a race after all of this baggage.
 
orejon4 said:
^This. I'm still not sure though, if we had a stronger community back then or if it was the solidarity you see among prisoners trapped in a dungeon together. Now that they've foisted the lie of our equal opportunity onto us and the rest of society, they have us believing that collective obligation and work is some sort of socialist or archaic notion and that we are all simply 'individuals'.
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Basically we have some of our own wanting to wholeheartedly embrace the "Herman Cain Legacy" of don't oppose the racial status quo of America rather than stand and fight like MLK & others of that era & before who worked to change the status quo. I'll try to find it later, unless someone else finds it before then, but saw a while back a video clip from a black conservative giving a speech at what may have been a black church gathering or what not where he is suggesting that the current state of the black community are the fault of MLK & others who fought for civil rights. Even worse there were voices of full agreement in the audience.
 
The Dark King said:
This is a moot point because I'm sure the same can be said of any group. How many whites murder whites or hispanics murder hispanics. Why are blacks suppose to be different?
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AMEN...

More young men died in mexico last year than anythwhere else on earth....killed by other mexicans...

Native Indians kill one another on the reservations like it's going out of style...but negroes still IDOLIZE them ....for some weird reason..

Look at the murder and mayhem that is Russia.....killing one another...

People are most likely killed by members of their own race.

I don't know why coonish fools continue to bask in black crime like it is unique...
 
william2382 said:
Well I was a mentor for some time. 2 years. But as I mention in earlier post after seeing one get killed and others in jail I need a break ad maybe going to change my approach. One of the reasons I pose the question is to get ideas on how to help. Not all of us that bring up the issue are smug about it and trying to be contrarions. O yea and I am cop in the violent city in the country. I reali3 in this site people are not fans of law enforcement but monster of us have a heart to help
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Hai you smexi beast,

That post was directed at pani
The only thing he's going on about is how black men kill other black men which he are obviously are very aware of.
When people point to contributing factors as why it might be that the violence rates are so high?

He can only go on and on about how black males buy into victim mentality.
While this may be true, it is not an solution to the problem.

If he thinks everyone wallows in victim hood..is he himself being an example as to how he doesn't do that?

Or is he posting pictures about the kkk killing less blacks than the blacks who are doing the killing?
It's a sickening comparison to make. But most especially from him.

'What's so bad with the kkk? They kill less blacks than blacks.'

That's what that picture ultimately says in this regard.

Seriously.

Never fricken mind that racism is an attitude, a learned behavior and the nuts at the kkk hq perpetuate it.
But it's ALL good!
Because more black people kill black people.
As compared to the helpful and concerned people at your friendly neighborhood klan.
 
Alinoa said:
Hai you smexi beast,

That post was directed at pani
The only thing he's going on about is how black men kill other black men which he are obviously are very aware of.
When people point to contributing factors as why it might be that the violence rates are so high?

He can only go on and on about how black males buy into victim mentality.
While this may be true, it is not an solution to the problem.

If he thinks everyone wallows in victim hood..is he himself being an example as to how he doesn't do that?

Or is he posting pictures about the kkk killing less blacks than the blacks who are doing the killing?
It's a sickening comparison to make. But most especially from him.

'What's so bad with the kkk? They kill less blacks than blacks.'

That's what that picture ultimately says in this regard.

Seriously.

Never fricken mind that racism is an attitude, a learned behavior and the nuts at the kkk hq perpetuate it.
But it's ALL good!
Because more black people kill black people.
As compared to the helpful and concerned people at your friendly neighborhood klan.
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O ok. I'm still learning the people
 
I think the question that really needs to be posed is why are so many black kids/teens killing each other. Those are the numbers that are staggering. They say that the average inner city black male dies between the ages of 18-25. Not sure how accurate that statement is, but if so we're in a world of trouble.
 
Ra said:
Basically we have some of our own wanting to wholeheartedly embrace the "Herman Cain Legacy" of don't oppose the racial status quo of America rather than stand and fight like MLK & others of that era & before who worked to change the status quo. I'll try to find it later, unless someone else finds it before then, but saw a while back a video clip from a black conservative giving a speech at what may have been a black church gathering or what not where he is suggesting that the current state of the black community are the fault of MLK & others who fought for civil rights. Even worse there were voices of full agreement in the audience.
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That's the most frightening part.

The Dark King said:
This is a moot point because I'm sure the same can be said of any group. How many whites murder whites or hispanics murder hispanics. Why are blacks suppose to be different?
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flaminghetero said:
AMEN...

More young men died in mexico last year than anywhere else on earth....killed by other mexicans...

Native Indians kill one another on the reservations like it's going out of style...but negroes still IDOLIZE them ....for some weird reason..

Look at the murder and mayhem that is Russia.....killing one another...

People are most likely killed by members of their own race.

I don't know why coonish fools continue to bask in black crime like it is unique...
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paniro187 said:
I dont know how people like you continue to justify behaviour with the whole "but look at them"
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I don't think TDK or flaminghetero are justifying the behavior, just noting that black people are, once you control for the extenuating circumstances of being an oppressed minority in this country (similar to the exaggerated negative statistics among Native Americans), our dynamics are not that different from others.
 
Ra,that is so sad that those Black parishiners cheered in agreement with that House slave. I would not be surprised if the same thing happens to a Black church in South Africa of a fool blaming Mandela for ending Apartheid.
 
orejon4 said:
That's the most frightening part.
I don't think TDK or flaminghetero are justifying the behavior, just noting that black people are, once you control for the extenuating circumstances of being an oppressed minority in this country (similar to the exaggerated negative statistics among Native Americans), our dynamics are not that different from others.
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Well said. This argument (extenuating circumstances vs. personal responsibility) keeps popping up from time to time. It is clear to anyone that is serious about effecting change (not just pushing a negative agenda) that both factors are playing an ongoing role in the struggles of the disadvantaged. I have endeavored to offer solutions in my prior posts, as well as detailed what I have done/am doing locally (jr. golf mentoring program, 4H leadership, habitat for humanity). I could be wrong, but I have yet to see those who are trotting out the same old negative statistics and grinding on the personal responsibility angle, detail what they have done/are doing to help change the realities of where they live.

Do those like many of us here, who have the ability/resources to give back have a duty to the community to do so? I would argue yes, all the while keeping in mind that the OVERWHELMING majority of Black people are working, striving, and bettering themselves leading law abiding lives.
 
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paniro187 said:
I dont know how people like you continue to justify behaviour with the whole "but look at them"
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put your head back up Rush's ass-hole Uncle Ruckus and pretend Blacks are the only ones....

Once again...

You are an OBSCENE CHARACATURE of a Black man...that's IF you're Black
 
orejon4 said:
That's the most frightening part.







I don't think TDK or flaminghetero are justifying the behavior, just noting that black people are, once you control for the extenuating circumstances of being an oppressed minority in this country (similar to the exaggerated negative statistics among Native Americans), our dynamics are not that different from others.
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Exaggerated????????

Deal with these FACTS:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national...als-can-get-away-with-almost-anything/273391/

Indian women are TEN TIMES more likely to be murdered than other Americans...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/21/u...d-fewer-prosecutions.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Rape on the reservations:

http://jezebel.com/5912932/rape-on-indian-reservations-reaches-epidemic-proportions

Exaggerated my ass..
 
flaminghetero said:
Exaggerated????????

Deal with these FACTS:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national...als-can-get-away-with-almost-anything/273391/

Indian women are TEN TIMES more likely to be murdered than other Americans...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/21/u...d-fewer-prosecutions.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Rape on the reservations:

http://jezebel.com/5912932/rape-on-indian-reservations-reaches-epidemic-proportions

Exaggerated my ass..
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I wasn't using 'exaggerated' in the sense of stating something as more than it really is, but in the sense of the word meaning: "Enlarged or altered beyond normal or due proportions." I'm with you on that point.

Loki said:
Well said. This argument (extenuating circumstances vs. personal responsibility) keeps popping up from time to time. It is clear to anyone that is serious about effecting change (not just pushing a negative agenda) that both factors are playing an ongoing role in the struggles of the disadvantaged. I have endeavored to offer solutions in my prior posts, as well as detailed what I have done/am doing locally (jr. golf mentoring program, 4H leadership, habitat for humanity). I could be wrong, but I have yet to see those who are trotting out the same old negative statistics and grinding on the personal responsibility angle, detail what they have done/are doing to help change the realities of the where they live.

Do those like many of us here, who have the ability/resources to give back have a duty to the community to do so? I would argue yes, all the while keeping in mind that the OVERWHELMING majority of Black people are working, striving, and bettering themselves leading law abiding lives.
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Therein lies the rub with the personal responsibility argument. If it's all about personal responsibility, it validates the Social Darwinist "I got mine, so you get yours" line of reasoning. I'm sure there are plenty of black conservatives who do have a sense of racial obligation, but there are also, I suspect, some who use the trope as a way of avoiding getting involved.
 
orejon4 said:
I wasn't using 'exaggerated' in the sense of stating something as more than it really is, but in the sense of the word meaning: "Enlarged or altered beyond normal or due proportions." I'm with you on that point.



Therein lies the rub with the personal responsibility argument. If it's all about personal responsibility, it validates the Social Darwinist "I got mine, so you get yours" line of reasoning. I'm sure there are plenty of black conservatives who do have a sense of racial obligation, but there are also, I suspect, some who use the trope as a way of avoiding getting involved.
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:smt023
 
orejon4 said:
I wasn't using 'exaggerated' in the sense of stating something as more than it really is, but in the sense of the word meaning: "Enlarged or altered beyond normal or due proportions." I'm with you on that point.



Therein lies the rub with the personal responsibility argument. If it's all about personal responsibility, it validates the Social Darwinist "I got mine, so you get yours" line of reasoning. I'm sure there are plenty of black conservatives who do have a sense of racial obligation, but there are also, I suspect, some who use the trope as a way of avoiding getting involved.
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This brother is smart
 
flaminghetero said:
AMEN...

More young men died in mexico last year than anythwhere else on earth....killed by other mexicans...

Native Indians kill one another on the reservations like it's going out of style...but negroes still IDOLIZE them ....for some weird reason..

Look at the murder and mayhem that is Russia.....killing one another...

People are most likely killed by members of their own race.

I don't know why coonish fools continue to bask in black crime like it is unique...
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I swear, I have not once heard a of a black person idolizing a Native American... aside from maybe their hair?

And, as much as it pains me to say this.,. paniro is right. "But look, others do it too" does zip for your stance in a debate like this. That is an argument technique that 9 year olds use to which their mothers reply "If little Timmy jumped off a bridge, would you jump off too?" It's a deflective technique that, I suppose, is supposed to justify your position by pointing out that others face the same issues?
 
Ra said:
Both to an extent. Pre-Civil Rights Act despite all of the hardships & obstacles that we had to face, the black community was at it's strongest. Why? Because we were pretty much forced to rely on one another as a people and be an actual community on many levels. Post Civil Rights Act era black people now feel no loyalty or obligation to the black community in any way because they believe they are now "equal" to everyone else, even when others show they still don't view us as equal or even human in some regards. Some black people go above & beyond in attempting to prove they are equal even it it means adopting the views & attitudes of those who still don't see us as equal. It's only been 40 plus some change years since the Civil Rights act was passed, but some segments of the population both black & non black alike act as if 400 years & a whole lot of significant changes on the racial landscape have come about , but as we are continually seeing that's far from the case.
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I could not have said it better myself.
 
paniro187 said:
Pains you to say it? Da fuq.....o_O


if you agree just agree. It's not shocking that we agree on things (a lot more than you think I'm sure)
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lol, hell yeah it pains me to admit it.

But, yeah I realize that we agree more often than not.
 
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