Bliss
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4 times? In what country? Not America.
Since 1972 when they first began tracking it, it's roughly 2 times likely, throughout the years.
Black men vs black men
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4 times? In what country? Not America.
Since 1972 when they first began tracking it, it's roughly 2 times likely, throughout the years.
Soulthinker
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Jaisee,the Blacks in the US were a combination of tribes all over Africa with the identity had to be started from scratch and adopting the culture of slave owners. Over the years some came back and built communities only for some reason or other got torn apart again:Sierra Leone and Liberia. Forced by the White man to live together the Blacks built a whole culture of dependence on each other. On the other some were killed and bullied because some Blacks grew successful and may overcome most of the dependence of the Whites. After the fight for equality succeeded most do not want to be empowered and when factories moved outside of the communities they fell apart. Those Black conservatives like Sowell,Walter Williams,and others think that the government pulled Black families apart not telling the fact that government helped White families from the 1930's to the 1950's. When it came for the Black families the Whites say they do not deserve it and put rules to prevent them from getting the suppliment along with a job that can get them on the right path. The Treyvon Martin killing and the aquittal of his killer shows we still have a very long way to go since Whites think all Black males are suspect on some crime.
william2382
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I am starting to think that this is a generational thing…..the mature cats on here feel that institutional discrimination/history of segregation/racism is what keeps violence/poverty in black neighborhoods…or that black violence is not as great as other cultures or other crimes, etc….I get that…I was raised by my grandfather..
It seems like the younger guys, maybe late 70s 80;s babies…feel a little different as I do. I agree with much of what the mature generation says about why there are issues…however, I think that is only 50% of it, and the rest is us…not just those committing the crimes but those that just to ignore the problem or downplay it.
My grandfather grew up in a time where blacks were terrorized by white supremacy. I grew up in a time when we terrorized one another. And I felt that way LONG before I became a cop…..I was actually stupid enough to think I could help but as I can see not Jesus, nor santa clause, or superman could save this mess. How do you fight the ignorance of arrogance and the arrogance of ignorance at the same time?
Also TDK…I never disagreed that a large part of the problem is economic…think we just disagree on just how much that affects things vs other factors.
It seems like the younger guys, maybe late 70s 80;s babies…feel a little different as I do. I agree with much of what the mature generation says about why there are issues…however, I think that is only 50% of it, and the rest is us…not just those committing the crimes but those that just to ignore the problem or downplay it.
My grandfather grew up in a time where blacks were terrorized by white supremacy. I grew up in a time when we terrorized one another. And I felt that way LONG before I became a cop…..I was actually stupid enough to think I could help but as I can see not Jesus, nor santa clause, or superman could save this mess. How do you fight the ignorance of arrogance and the arrogance of ignorance at the same time?
Also TDK…I never disagreed that a large part of the problem is economic…think we just disagree on just how much that affects things vs other factors.
The Dark King
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4 times? In what country? Not America.
Since 1972 when they first began tracking it, it's roughly 2 times likely, throughout the years.
BM in comparison to wm.
The Dark King
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So you think it's more personal responsibility than systematic?
Loki
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Fixed in bold above, and just because we disagree on the root causes does not mean we are ignoring/downplaying the problems that the disadvantaged are facing. Above you mention that you tried to help, was that in your role as a police officer or by some other efforts? Many of us have and do make a difference by volunteering, mentoring, donating, ect., and in doing so have effected real change, that is the only way things change, so I would encourage you to try other avenues if the ones you tried were ineffective.
Alinoa
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Seriously.
We all understand that blacks are killing blacks in huge numbers. We get that.
Even lil 'ole white girls like me get that.
What is you contribution to that problem?
Because by merely pointing out the problem but offering no solutions that are either implemented by people at large or starting with yourself, you remain part of the problem.
It's like bitching about hunger and then stuffing your face. You are only helping yourself.
In this case, it comes off as I'm a better person than you because I'm so up on the black violence issues.
Great. What are you doing about it?
orejon4
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Those are sobering crime statistics. It's good to keep them in mind. One critical difference: much (but not all) of "black-on-black" (as if other groups don't commit intra-ethnic crime) crime is essentially between two or more individuals involved in criminal activity. While a tragic social problem, I am far more troubled by the murder of innocents, by blacks or racially motivated whites or others. And a lot of this crime is driven by competition within the drug trade, which provokes cutthroat competition. In fact, much of the rise in violent street crime among all ethnic groups is fueled by the violence associated with the prohibition of and trafficking in illegal drugs.
Archman
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......Word of warning to you and the honorable Officer.....Do not let personal responsibility be a part of your discussion solution....or you will be severely rebuked for debasing your race.......Blackmen are to be pardoned from personal responsibility........
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william2382
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Well I was a mentor for some time. 2 years. But as I mention in earlier post after seeing one get killed and others in jail I need a break ad maybe going to change my approach. One of the reasons I pose the question is to get ideas on how to help. Not all of us that bring up the issue are smug about it and trying to be contrarions. O yea and I am cop in the violent city in the country. I reali3 in this site people are not fans of law enforcement but monster of us have a heart to help
The Dark King
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ok hope you feel that way as your great state allows one person to go free based on syg and killed someone yet a black woman who only fired warning shots trying to use the syg defense got 20 years after a 12 minute deliberation. Tell me its not systematic please say that with a straight face fam.
william2382
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All humans are products of their environment. People make decisions good or bad based on environment. If I had to pull up a number out the wind I would say 70% environment and 30% personal responsibility.most from a violent home either become violent or date a violent person. Same with abuse, sexually, mental, physical. However a good question would be how much do people affect their own environment . Are blacks responsible for black community or are whites? Both maybe? If both how much? These are all interesting questions I have little answers for but love to eat what people think.
Damn bro, you really don't understand what beyond a reasonable doubt is do you? Zimmerman wasn't "innocent" he was not guilty, mostly because the State couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
The other case was entirely different.
Ol'Skool Classic
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Both to an extent. Pre-Civil Rights Act despite all of the hardships & obstacles that we had to face, the black community was at it's strongest. Why? Because we were pretty much forced to rely on one another as a people and be an actual community on many levels. Post Civil Rights Act era black people now feel no loyalty or obligation to the black community in any way because they believe they are now "equal" to everyone else, even when others show they still don't view us as equal or even human in some regards. Some black people go above & beyond in attempting to prove they are equal even it it means adopting the views & attitudes of those who still don't see us as equal. It's only been 40 plus some change years since the Civil Rights act was passed, but some segments of the population both black & non black alike act as if 400 years & a whole lot of significant changes on the racial landscape have come about , but as we are continually seeing that's far from the case.
william2382
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orejon4
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^This. I'm still not sure though, if we had a stronger community back then or if it was the solidarity you see among prisoners trapped in a dungeon together. Now that they've foisted the lie of our equal opportunity onto us and the rest of society, they have us believing that collective obligation and work is some sort of socialist or archaic notion and that we are all simply 'individuals'.
Soulthinker
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Ra,those Blacks aka conservatives not only try to advance above everyone and adoping the attitude of the oppressors,they use the excuse of immigrants straight from the plane or different countries where they think the minority groups advance. I always got to google the names of those house slaves since they seem to come out of nowhere when they appear on Hannity or The O'Reilly factor.
orejon4
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Those immigrants advance because they haven't been emotionally and psychologically ground down in the bowels of this society.
Archman
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Soul,
As a house slave, who has adopted the attitude of the oppressor....I come to you for help and counseling,.... please recommend for me how I might begin to reform myself...
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