Trayvon Martin's Murder

Oh for the love of a blasted fuck.

Bliss, honey?
Contact the webie person and have him rename this thread to " Trayvon Martin commits suicide in Florida neighborhood. Goes through trial and is found guilty. Sentenced to death"

Jesus fuck paniro

What the fuck is wrong with you?

For Christ sakes..
This child WAS HUNTED DOWN and then shot when he DEFENDED HIMSELF FROM POOR DEFENSELESS CRACKERJACK ASSHOLE ZIMMERMAN.

HOW IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

You must be doing this for attention.
Even stupid people aren't THAT stupid.
 
Ra said:
Can you actually make or get any points or thoughts you have across based on actual reality rather than these fantastic tales of fantasy that you like to weave around others?
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Never mind the fantastic tale.....It is a reality every day on the streets of the America...Don't evade the question......Would you do what it takes as a man to save you own ass Ra.....or would you start crying for the assailant to stop.....
 
orejon4 said:
But I think what some of us are saying is that we do not believe Zimmerman's account and believe that he stalked a teen and provoked a confrontation knowing he had deadly force at his disposal after being instructed not to.
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Maybe he'll listen to you because he sure didn't when I basically said the same thing up post.
 
Archman said:
The moral of the story is that unless you can get them to personalize the dilemma, put race aside, and bring them face to face with the moment of truth, you will never get these guys to empathize honestly with Zimmerman.
Ra, TDK, Goodlove, AndreBoba, and Stinkmeaner are all proud feisty men,
If anyone of them were cornered and pinned down on his back in some back alley on the south-side of Chicago......And a single younger, stronger, more agile teenage was on top beating their asses to near unconsciousness (My guess, regardless of an age differential with the assailant, is that each of these guys would immediately do what it took to save their own lives) .....Soul, Oregon Loki, maybe not so feisty,but more diplomatic (would perhaps try to get the young assailant to reason first )......Now some of these guys are fathers, husbands and family men and their lives are precious to their families and loved ones, but those lives would mean NOTHING to the much younger assailant.........When that much younger assailant is wailing you to sleep or pulling the trigger, he will not take time to assess your value.....You might have only a fraction of time to do one of several things : counsel, mentor or save your own ass........Stop the hypocrisy and be honest to your selves......
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The difference being Arch, "I" would not have profiled and stalked a teenager, and initiated a confrontation, in direct defiance of police orders. A neighborhood watch is designed to observe and report suspicious behavior, not intervene themselves. Lastly trust me, I all else fails and I am in a physical fight with someone, "they" will be the ones suffering, not me.
 
Archman said:
Never mind the fantastic tale.....It is a reality every day on the streets of the America...Don't evade the question......Would you do what it takes as a man to save you own ass Ra.....or would you start crying for the assailant to stop.....
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Arch are you over compensating because you're not from the US?
 
Archman said:
Never mind the fantastic tale.....It is a reality every day on the streets of the America...Don't evade the question......Would you do what it takes as a man to save you own ass Ra.....or would you start crying for the assailant to stop.....
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Like you sir, I'm smart enough not to get into said situations. But on the rare occasions when I was younger and found myself in not so safe instances with other individuals, I did what was necessary to protect myself. We're having this conversation now so it work out for my ass just fine. Any more questions? Or was this not a satisfactory answer?
 
What's interesting is most of the bm identify with the person who was killed yet those who identify with the killer don't seem to have much love for black people at all. Interesting indeed.
 
andreboba said:
Charles Barkley is an ignorant buffoon.

The one aspect most people continually ignore in this case, which excuses ALL OF TRAYVON MARTIN'S ACTIONS DIRECTED TOWARDS GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, is how terrifying and how much of a mind fuck it is when you're being FOLLOWED at NIGHT by a stranger in a car, who then gets out and chases you on foot.

How the fuck is a normal person going to think this is a non-confrontational situation??:roll:

'There's a stranger who's been following me for several blocks, but I trust in my heart he's got good intentions.'

When I was 11 years old I had two people in a van drive along side me for about 10-15 seconds in my apartment complex, telling me to come here 'cause they wanted instructions. This was in broad daylight right after school.
I was nervous but I eventually stopped, never moving from the sidewalk.
Suddenly the side door on that van SWUNG WIDE OPEN. They kept telling me to come here kid, etc. I was frozen scared out of mind and eventually they sped off.

Being followed by a stranger at night is RARELY a safe situation. I don't care who you are.

If some of you don't think being followed at night is a big deal, try it sometime.

Go out around 9PM and pick a stranger to tail. Make sure they KNOW you're following them, and do it for about five blocks, never speaking a word. Then all of sudden run up on them and not say shit.

See what happens.

IMO following someone is a form of physical harassment and an implicit physical threat.

It's the fact that the prosecution never explored this line of argument is one of the reasons many feel the state's prosecution was incompetent.

There was enough evidence to charge Zimmerman with involuntary manslaughter; the unintentional killing of another person(this still gives Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt that he never intended to kill Trayvon as was simply defending himself).

That jury was about as stupid as Mr. Barkley.:smt099
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This is exactly the way I thought about it and I never understood why involuntary manslaughter was not on the table. That would have stuck, I think.
 
FG said:
This is exactly the way I thought about it and I never understood why involuntary manslaughter was not on the table. That would have stuck, I think.
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FG, my understanding is that manslaughter was considered, but again with no credible eye witnesses for the prosecution, and the limited forensic evidence, the prosecution could not meet the elements for that lesser charge either.
 
Loki said:
FG, my understanding is that manslaughter was considered, but again with no credible eye witnesses for the prosecution, and the limited forensic evidence, the prosecution could not meet the elements for that lesser charge either.
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I just can't wrap my head around that, seems to be plenty for involuntary manslaughter, looking at other successful involuntary manslaughter cases.

Just sad.
 
Loki said:
The difference being Arch, "I" would not have profiled and stalked a teenager, and initiated a confrontation, in direct defiance of police orders. A neighborhood watch is designed to observe and report suspicious behavior, not intervene themselves. Lastly trust me, I all else fails and I am in a physical fight with someone, "they" will be the ones suffering, not me.
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Let us move past the profiling, and past the stalking and past the assailants age....Let us put our selves at the moment of truth, he is sitting on your chest and handling his business.............
Loki, at least your have the courage, honesty and candor to answer the question.....It is not a hard question..
This story and the trial has been very bad for the country and race relations.... and even though, I had my opinions during the trial, with passions so sensitive on both sides, I felt there was never a place or time to gloat......there is sadness on all sides.
I personally however, never digressed in my focus from that moment of truth....what would I do on my back and at the bottom under an assault.....The forum brothers are all over the place with peripheral arguments, conditions and circumstances but they will not address that question head-on......they will not personalize the dilemma...
 
Loki said:
The difference being Arch, "I" would not have profiled and stalked a teenager, and initiated a confrontation, in direct defiance of police orders. A neighborhood watch is designed to observe and report suspicious behavior, not intervene themselves. Lastly trust me, I all else fails and I am in a physical fight with someone, "they" will be the ones suffering, not me.
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This.
 
chesbaygrl7 said:
Not trying to be adversarial here, because I mostly agree with you, but wouldn't the normal person who is being followed, turn & run the other direction? Esp at night? Maybe it's because I'm a woman, but I would run like h*ll if I thought someone was following me. That's the one thing that Trayvon did that didn't make sense to me - he chose to engage rather than run from GZ. Why?
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Because he did not know that he had a gun. I promise you, unless the dude is much bigger than me, is with a group, or shows me that he has a weapon, I would absolutely 'stand my ground' as well.

Furthermore, if the defense is correct and GZ was 'defending himself' then it appears that Trayvon was justified in not running.,. he was doing just fine in defending himself.... well, up until his legally justified shooting by the person who stalked him in the first place.
 
paniro187 said:
that's better than what happened right?
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This right here makes me agree with the anti-gun advocates.

GZ should have taken that ass whipping like a man. I'm sure in your version of the story, GZ approached Trayvon all calm and respectfully and Trayvon just snapped and unjustifiably began to beat him. If we are now giving those who provoke an altercation an easy out because as soon as they begin to get their asses whipped they pull a gun, then yeah.,. we are better off without guns.

OR, can you imagine if the gun toting thug Trayvon (as the GZ supporters like to paint him) had a gun and defended himself from GZ? How many years would he be facing today?
 
Archman said:
The forum brothers are all over the place with peripheral arguments, conditions and circumstances but they will not address that question head-on......they will not personalize the dilemma...
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Do you honestly think that anyone of us here won't do what was necessary to save our own lives or the lives of our loved ones if we found ourselves being viciously assaulted by another person?
 
Ra said:
Do you honestly think that anyone of us here won't do what was necessary to save our own lives or the lives of our loved ones if we found ourselves being viciously assaulted by another person?
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Let him be he'll find out he's black soon enough especially living in Florida.
If he wants to pretend that if shit went down he'd be treated fairly let him.
 
Ra said:
It would explain your over the top negative depictions & perceptions of violent black people continuously committing horrific crimes and bringing great shame on the race.
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.....Yes, I like to see Black exellence...I can't join you in the excuse making.....I believe we should strive for perfection....
 
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