MilkandCoffee
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How does that change the hypocrisy of it all? In your example, you say your sister bashes you for dating ww but she doesn't her self, my sister would bash me yet turn around and do the same.
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How does that change the hypocrisy of it all? In your example, you say your sister bashes you for dating ww but she doesn't her self, my sister would bash me yet turn around and do the same.
I did not date white girls in high school. I lived in a small southern town and it wasn't allowed. I told my sister that I like white girls. My questions on this subject is this; how old were you when you discovered your family's disapproval of interracial dating/marriage? How old were you when you discovered your attraction to women of other races? For me, my attraction began at age 8 and hasn't changed since. And won't change in this life, or the next.
flaminghetero
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flaminghetero
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If I'm a racoon you must be a hamster or a gerbel.
Be gone BW...your cover is busted.
flaminghetero
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BW do not see WM as their enemy.That is why they are so hypocritial.They see the world through the same eyes as Billy Bob redneck.
Case in point this morbid creature.
Arab men and women have the same enemy
Jewish men and jewish women have the same enemy
ect ect
It's only when you get to our pathetic matriarchal "communtiy" do you have men and women with different enemies.
medullaslashin
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gotta say, good point fh. quite sad, but it's true.
Black women and black men have been two separate cultures for 3 generations now. That's part of the dysfunction imho
Mikey
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Which is why I try to explain on here that there's something lacking with Blacks as a people. The same could be said with the Asian community too because they're roughly on the same degree that we are in.
Specifically, just Blacks and Asians. Nobody else. Perhaps that is part of the reason why we're here and why this site is made anyway, isn't it?
medullaslashin
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Dunno about that nobody else part.
but the comparison is apt because it comes from the same root - vanity worship. Fashion worship. Status worship. And the insecurities that come with it.
It's funny that asian women and black women have responded to issues of racial status and vanity worship in different ways, but at the heart of it, it's the same issues affecting their psyches
medullaslashin
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"and something lacking with blacks as people"?
I wouldn't say that. It's just human nature being manipulated by something new.
Never before in the history of mankind have we had stuff like tv and motion pictures.
It's like putting a mirror in front of a parakeet -- no mirrors in nature, so the bird thinks the image is real :mrgreen:
I wouldn't say that. It's just human nature being manipulated by something new.
Never before in the history of mankind have we had stuff like tv and motion pictures.
It's like putting a mirror in front of a parakeet -- no mirrors in nature, so the bird thinks the image is real :mrgreen:
flaminghetero
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Bad comparison.
Asians are a male dominated race.
We are matriarchal.
Asians women are shunned and outcasted for doing half of what BW get away with on the daily.
Asians don't accept anything that comes out of an Asian woman's womb.
Throw something over the Asians side of the fence...he'll throw it back.
Throw something over the BM's side of the fence...he'll keep it.
flaminghetero
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orejon4
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I think comparing blacks and Asians is a poor comparison. It would be more informative to draw a comparison between Africans and Asians. Asians have among the longest continual societies on earth, with shorter colonial histories, ethnic homogeneity unlike any societies on earth and far greater 'groupthink' than is found in any other culture. Of course they are going to be harsher toward outsiders. And that's not necessarily a positive. Their insularity greatly inhibits their societies' ability to innovate and be creative.
The tendency to accept people does not come from blacks in this country being matriarchal. In Africa there are both matriarchal and patriarchal societies. In the US, it is rooted in the ownership of blacks as people and the fact that as long as you were visibly black or born of a black woman you were a slave. It was used as the perverse form of the ways Jews use matrilineal descent to identify who is a Jew. Because people were just sold, mothers nurtured the child, whoever the father was: a fellow slave she loved, a recently sold slave, the master, etc. She had to love them because the only thing that was certain is that they were hers and they were going to be a slave.
So I would cut people some slack for some of the distortions you may see in our society. It's not like we've been allowed to develop in a healthy, historically continuous form for hundreds of years. The closest corollary with these problems are the ones you see in Native American societies. I'm not justifying them, just noting that they're not due exclusively to some moral failing in the community.
The tendency to accept people does not come from blacks in this country being matriarchal. In Africa there are both matriarchal and patriarchal societies. In the US, it is rooted in the ownership of blacks as people and the fact that as long as you were visibly black or born of a black woman you were a slave. It was used as the perverse form of the ways Jews use matrilineal descent to identify who is a Jew. Because people were just sold, mothers nurtured the child, whoever the father was: a fellow slave she loved, a recently sold slave, the master, etc. She had to love them because the only thing that was certain is that they were hers and they were going to be a slave.
So I would cut people some slack for some of the distortions you may see in our society. It's not like we've been allowed to develop in a healthy, historically continuous form for hundreds of years. The closest corollary with these problems are the ones you see in Native American societies. I'm not justifying them, just noting that they're not due exclusively to some moral failing in the community.
medullaslashin
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btw, no this isn't the reason why I visit this site, nor do I think problems with black women are the reason this site exists.
Black women are the reason lots of black men initially discover that white women can be an alternative, but beyond that, bmww relationships are a scene unto it's own having nothing to do with bw.
It's not like bw/wm relationships. From what I can discern there are always 3 people in those relationships: her, him, and "the black man". :mrgreen:
Bm/ww relationships are not "vengeance" relationships or "coup" relationships. they have their own quirks, there seems to be a strong sexual theme that runs through it, but they aren't based on hate, vengeance, status, "social climbing", etc.
personally, I'm open to all kinds of women (though I'm extremely skeptical of some kinds of chicks, such as black american women) - so maybe I'm not the best person to comment on the nature of wwbm relationships.
But all my experience and insight tells me that wwbm relations are less based on negative shit than other interracial dating trends
orejon4
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BW do not see WM as their enemy.That is why they are so hypocritial.They see the world through the same eyes as Billy Bob redneck.
Case in point this morbid creature.an orange county police officer arrested and fired for having sex with a NEO NAZI jail inmate.You'll never see a jewish or arab version of this vile animal..
Arab men and women have the same enemy
Jewish men and jewish women have the same enemy
ect ect
It's only when you get to our pathetic matriarchal "communtiy" do you have men and women with different enemies.
White hostility toward people of color has almost nothing to do with the women of the other races and everything to do with maintaining white male privilege. Many racist white men (except for racist pseudo-scientific ideologues or racial purists) sleep with women of other races. Where do you think much of the creole, mulatto and mestizo strata in formerly colonial societies come from? Men of every race strive to keep the men of other races at a disadvantage to maintain their own prerogatives. Women are largely not involved in this, off the radar and not considered by the men in question. That's why a white male will give a job to a black woman more readily than to a black man.
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medullaslashin
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true - but black men are less like that than other men, for sure.
orejon4
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True, but I think that is due to our relative powerlessness in this society. Have you ever seen men from African ethnic groups policing their women? It's as fierce as any Arab or Asian. Ethiopians? Fugeddaboutit. Unless you're a recognized friend of their family/community/clan, if you're seen talking to one, watch her looking over her shoulder to make sure she's not spotted. And if she is, you can count the seconds before a male from the ethnic group comes over, smiles to you and then turns to fire off some machine-gun quick, sternly intoned dialogue in their mutual language that makes her smile politely, end the conversation and scurry off somewhere. Somalis? Guineans? African Muslims in general? Nigerians seem to be less so, but I think that's because they are often highly integrated within the communities they reside in.
medullaslashin
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With regard to asians rejecting outsiders: I don't think it's accurate to say they're uniformly harsh on outsiders.
Aren't asians parents notorious for bragging that their daughter is marrying a white guy? Aren't they also people that hold "hapas" as their highest standard of beauty?
White males are automatic kings in lots of asian cultures, particularly southeast asian cultures. Even people like chinese and taiwanese treat white men like demigods, if you go by the testimony of some asian males on other boards. "White-worship" is a strong tendency among asians, lots of asians say. White represents status among them and status is a prime directive in lots of asian cultures.
Not to mention asian-american culture. Sure, their mixed kids aren't considered asian, but that doesn't mean that relations with outsiders (whites) aren't prized among asians.
Not bashing them, just observing.
Love who you want to love, as long as it doesn't involve hating me. That's where too many people who love white men get it wrong
But anyway, to say that asians are consistently insular is a lil off.
One interesting observation about asians is the asians who clamor to mix with whites typically want to be seen as white, but the children of those unions almost always want to be seen as asian, while asian culture doesn't regard them as either
The "race" thing is straight up crazy. Glad I'm not possessed
Aren't asians parents notorious for bragging that their daughter is marrying a white guy? Aren't they also people that hold "hapas" as their highest standard of beauty?
White males are automatic kings in lots of asian cultures, particularly southeast asian cultures. Even people like chinese and taiwanese treat white men like demigods, if you go by the testimony of some asian males on other boards. "White-worship" is a strong tendency among asians, lots of asians say. White represents status among them and status is a prime directive in lots of asian cultures.
Not to mention asian-american culture. Sure, their mixed kids aren't considered asian, but that doesn't mean that relations with outsiders (whites) aren't prized among asians.
Not bashing them, just observing.
Love who you want to love, as long as it doesn't involve hating me. That's where too many people who love white men get it wrong
But anyway, to say that asians are consistently insular is a lil off.
One interesting observation about asians is the asians who clamor to mix with whites typically want to be seen as white, but the children of those unions almost always want to be seen as asian, while asian culture doesn't regard them as either
The "race" thing is straight up crazy. Glad I'm not possessed
I haven't followed this thread post by post, but several of you guys have made reference to matriarchal and patriarchal societies, and FH (I think) expounded on this view of blacks being a matriarchal society. Can someone address that further? How does one differ from the other?
I realize that the more I know of blacks in America, the more I don't know. Please educate...
I realize that the more I know of blacks in America, the more I don't know. Please educate...
medullaslashin
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That's news to me. I'm sure there are intra-african taboos, but I have a feeling that it's the same deal as most asians, with white men being okay while other kinds of people are more taboo.
I remember reading online somewhere in fact that there's a "white-worship" trend raging among east african women, in which pretty much any white man is a prize
I suspect that among muslims, it's more of a religious thing, and that west africans are more like afro-americans in that they don't tightly police their women's relations with outsiders. I'm no expert tho, to say the least.
Aren't there a couple of african guys on this board? (...and ww involved with african guys here?) Perhaps they can offer some insight.