"she's not hip hop" says hip hop star

Ra said:
Yeah, really. Ol' violating the rule of being a grown ass black man with some dignity & common sense lookin' ass.
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Lol. Take some exlax boss... relax...lol

U didnt know ....u didnot know lol.

Wow....lol

Thats why those rappers are bent a little.

Which goes to the other questions....

Lol

I will pray for you
 
GFunk said:
Been out of the loop, but going back the "about that life" shit. If anything, being "about that life" in hip-hop's purest form would be from the Kool Herc/Flash/Bambaataa era. Gangsta rap didn't come about until Schooly D, Just Ice and Ice-T in 85-86, so gangsta life shouldn't even be discussed in in here. Hip-hop was about the love, unity and the competition. It was a was to take competitive negative energy of gangs and inner city violence and turn it into positive competitive energy. Bambaataa stopped gangbanging when he was laying the blueprint for hip-hop. You wanna be about that hip-hop life? You wanna be authentic? You should know what the 4 elements of hip-hop are and have a base knowledge of of how they tie into each other if y'all are trying to break the shit down.

Of course money is always gonna be a factor. Even KRS-1 wants to get paid for a show, but it's not the main motivating factor for him to be in hip-hop and like many other MCs who are considered "real hip-hop", they put a level of quality into their music that isn't put out by most in the mainstream. And if these rappers on the radio are putting out their best, then many of them just don't have the capability. Iggy and whoever else are free to do what they do, and shouldn't let others stop them from their paper chase. At the same time, if people see wackness, don't expect them to hold their opinion back. Hip-hop is the last style of music where someone is gonna be nice about their opinion on a rapper, unless they are yes-men in their circle.

There's a market for everything, but the record companies and media outlets don't want to expand that market. There is no balance. Everything is some kind of club banger or some duet.

And Ra is right. A lot of people remain underground/indie by choice. These MCs have more control over their music and don't risk getting fucked over by major record labels, or having some record executive who doesn't understand the culture come in the studio and telling you you're making YOUR music wrong. Also, selling 100,000 albums at 10 dollars on an indie label will be more profitable than a mainstream release going platinum where the rapper gets scraps. There are still people out there willing to sell their music, but not sell themselves. The ones who sell themselves, or never had a great understanding of the culture are the ones you usually see on tv. Sad thing is, I'm pretty sure there a ton of rappers in the mainstream who want to make music that the record labels won't see as "hot", but they can't say shit because they don't want their album shelved.
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This is what makes the difference though. You can churn out music until your heart's content, but those unwilling to get out there and promote, even sell themselves, generally have no choice but to remain underground.

There was a time when there was really no difference between mainstream and underground. Hip-Hop still had a critical mass capable of making just about any performer(s) popular. It wasn't odd for popular rappers to link up with relative unknowns. I would argue the break came around 93'-94'. That's when a clear distinction not based on region, but between underground/mainstream, began to take shape.

The Chronic and Doggystyle were grimey multiplatinum records. It's when the pendulum swung back to NYC that record execs did everything they could to incorporate more R&B and pop influences. I would say guys like Company Flow and the like pioneered what we know as "the underground" today. They went way out of their way to make the distinction.
 
Ra said:
You are now officially Mikey Sr. of this Forum. Silly black ass all over this thread breakdancing & pop locking every time someone pointed some shit out to your ass & you wanna be on some straight up ghetto minded nigga shit trying to act like everybody else was on bullshit.
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Lol
 
Mighty Quinn said:
This is what makes the difference though. You can churn out music until your heart's content, but those unwilling to get out there and promote, even sell themselves, generally have no choice but to remain underground.

There was a time when there was really no difference between mainstream and underground. Hip-Hop still had a critical mass capable of making just about any performer(s) popular. It wasn't odd for popular rappers to link up with relative unknowns. I would argue the break came around 93'-94'. That's when a clear distinction not based on region, but between underground/mainstream, began to take shape.

The Chronic and Doggystyle were grimey multiplatinum records. It's when the pendulum swung back to NYC that record execs did everything they could to incorporate more R&B and pop influences. I would say guys like Company Flow and the like pioneered what we know as "the underground" today. They went way out of their way to make the distinction.
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Yeah.....the good old days...massive variety.

Dela soul, leaders of the new school and tribe called quest.
 
Mikey Sr. said:
Yeah.....the good old days...massive variety.
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And your tone deaf black ass keeps missing the point some of us have pointed out in this & other music related threads : All that variety & positivity that your out of touch ass keeps claiming is no more can be found on the underground/independent music scene. No one else's fault but your own if you chose to continue to listen to what is played on the radio and use that as your gauge for what Hip Hop is about today because you're too lazy or ignorant to even find out about other outlets for music besides commercial radio.
 
goodlove said:
Ooooh.

Lol

Whats funny they jammed vanilla and hammer for not being authentic.
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Vanilla and Hammer were authentic. They were talking cakey shit and they were cakey dudes. They were a subset of the rap genre for people who like cake. Actually, I don't know what Vanilla Ice talked about. All I know from him is stop, collaborate and listen. Now, if they were talking about slangin and bangin., that's a whole different story.

Didn't hammer have a dance off against Michael Jackson or something?
 
jaisee said:
Vanilla and Hammer were authentic. They were talking cakey shit and they were cakey dudes. They were a subset of the rap genre for people who like cake. Actually, I don't know what Vanilla Ice talked about. All I know from him is stop, collaborate and listen. Now, if they were talking about slangin and bangin., that's a whole different story.

Didn't hammer have a dance off against Michael Jackson or something?
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He claimed some thug stuff....people dogged him pretty good. There was an in living color parody of him and an arsenio interview . I vaguely remembered both. The arsenio interview it look like ice was ready to fight...he looked mad as hell.

Hammer i agree with u. I didnt agree with the slams on him.a bunch of people were dogging him. Cube dogged him for being pop and questioned his blackness. Cube made a song and referenced him. Now everyone copied hammers business model. What they can do and financially smart is not to put on the shows he did. He was great.

Hammer decided to go gangster .....it wasnt good. It wasnt him and the album flopped. He was an entertainer more than a rapper.
 
goodlove said:
He claimed some thug stuff....people dogged him pretty good. There was an in living color parody of him and an arsenio interview . I vaguely remembered both. The arsenio interview it look like ice was ready to fight...he looked mad as hell.

Hammer i agree with u. I didnt agree with the slams on him.a bunch of people were dogging him. Cube dogged him for being pop and questioned his blackness. Cube made a song and referenced him. Now everyone copied hammers business model. What they can do and financially smart is not to put on the shows he did. He was great.

Hammer decided to go gangster .....it wasnt good. It wasnt him and the album flopped. He was an entertainer more than a rapper.
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MC Hammer was, indeed challenged by Vanilla Ice. Vanilla Ice rose faster than Hammer did. These two never agreed on anything. Arsenio Hall often(if not playfully) hinted by asking what Hammer thought about Ice and what Ice thought about Hammer on his show(he even asked that question of martial artists turned actors like Jean Claude Van Damme, Steven Seagal and Jeff Speakman about who would win in a fight). When Hammer went bankrupt, he went into gospel and appeared on a TBN program regularly for a while. Hammer used to dance for a MLB team in their stadium and was a crowd pleaser before he got into recording. Then he did a stint in the U.S. Navy(which Hammer credits his organizational and leadership skills). There was talk of a dance-off show between Michael Jackson and MC Hammer after the suggestion in Hammer's 2 Legit 2 Quit video. While it would make an exciting show, it did not come to pass. Vanilla Ice had been questioned a lot about his knowledge of black culture in rap and hip-hop. The Righteous Brothers were a duo who got their start singing in black clubs. They were called The Paramours. But the name changed after a guy said of their performance, "That's righteous, brothers."
That was how The Righteous Brothers got their name and how they became part of the blue-eyed soul genre.
Vanilla Ice was, for the most part in rap and hip-hop, an entertainer and a hobbyist. He was almost sued by the rock group Queen for sampling Queen's song Under Pressure in Ice, Ice, Baby. But upon close examination, one note in that song(Ice, Ice, Baby) made the difference. Just one note. Ice won. Today, Ice is on a tv show called Ice Goes Amish(his name is Rob Van Winkle, a Dutch derivation) or something like it on a home improvement channel.
 
jaisee said:
What do you mean?

Art generally is expression with inspiration rooted in relevance to the artists view point.

Can the blues truly be authentic if the performer has not experienced hardships?
Can gospel be authentic if the performer is athiest?

Sure, it can be done... but is it authentic?
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I see the point you're trying to make. But, I think it's an apples to oranges comparison. Sure, they're both fruit but ...

Blues, by defifinition, is about suffering. So, someone who hasn't gone through any real heartbreaks may not be able to "sing the blues" in a way that makes the audience feel something.

The same can be said for Gospel. If one doesn't believe in Jesus, then that person may lack the passion to make his or her performance believable.

But, Hip-hop's first rule has always been "keep it real." And, while the struggle has always been a part of Hip-hop, it was never meant to be the ruler that a Hip-hop act should be measured by.

By your definition, a kid from the suburbs who's never had to worry about anything in his life, but has the lyrical skill and dexterity to be the next Hov could not be considered real Hip-hop even though he's killin' everyone else in the game on the mic. How would that be keeping it real?

Beastie Boys, Kanye, Drake, etc ... would not be considered Hip-hop by that line of thinking. It kind of reminds me of those who say a person isn't really black unless they grew up in the hood or has a little thug in them.

I think it really comes down to what an individual likes or doesn't like. Like what Taylor Swift is to Country or Coldplay is to Rock, Iggy is to Hip-hop. She's watered down. She's very mainstream and her skills are adequate but not great. However, make no mistake, she's still Hip-hop. We just don't like her.

And let's keep it 100; she don't sound no worse (and in some cases a lot better) than a lot of these new rappers out here and no one questions wether they are Hip-hop or not. They just say lable them as wack and keep it movin' ...lol
 
samson1701 said:
I see the point you're trying to make. But, I think it's an apples to oranges comparison. Sure, they're both fruit but ...

Blues, by defifinition, is about suffering. So, someone who hasn't gone through any real heartbreaks may not be able to "sing the blues" in a way that makes the audience feel something.

The same can be said for Gospel. If one doesn't believe in Jesus, then that person may lack the passion to make his or her performance believable.

But, Hip-hop's first rule has always been "keep it real." And, while the struggle has always been a part of Hip-hop, it was never meant to be the ruler that a Hip-hop act should be measured by.

By your definition, a kid from the suburbs who's never had to worry about anything in his life, but has the lyrical skill and dexterity to be the next Hov could not be considered real Hip-hop even though he's killin' everyone else in the game on the mic. How would that be keeping it real?

Beastie Boys, Kanye, Drake, etc ... would not be considered Hip-hop by that line of thinking. It kind of reminds me of those who say a person isn't really black unless they grew up in the hood or has a little thug in them.

I think it really comes down to what an individual likes or doesn't like. Like what Taylor Swift is to Country or Coldplay is to Rock, Iggy is to Hip-hop. She's watered down. She's very mainstream and her skills are adequate but not great. However, make no mistake, she's still Hip-hop. We just don't like her.

And let's keep it 100; she don't sound no worse (and in some cases a lot better) than a lot of these new rappers out here and no one questions wether they are Hip-hop or not. They just say lable them as wack and keep it movin' ...lol
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Well stated...the 2nd rule dont steals someones rhyme....dont bite
 
samson1701 said:
I see the point you're trying to make. But, I think it's an apples to oranges comparison. Sure, they're both fruit but ...

Blues, by defifinition, is about suffering. So, someone who hasn't gone through any real heartbreaks may not be able to "sing the blues" in a way that makes the audience feel something.

The same can be said for Gospel. If one doesn't believe in Jesus, then that person may lack the passion to make his or her performance believable.

But, Hip-hop's first rule has always been "keep it real." And, while the struggle has always been a part of Hip-hop, it was never meant to be the ruler that a Hip-hop act should be measured by.

By your definition, a kid from the suburbs who's never had to worry about anything in his life, but has the lyrical skill and dexterity to be the next Hov could not be considered real Hip-hop even though he's killin' everyone else in the game on the mic. How would that be keeping it real?

Beastie Boys, Kanye, Drake, etc ... would not be considered Hip-hop by that line of thinking. It kind of reminds me of those who say a person isn't really black unless they grew up in the hood or has a little thug in them.

I think it really comes down to what an individual likes or doesn't like. Like what Taylor Swift is to Country or Coldplay is to Rock, Iggy is to Hip-hop. She's watered down. She's very mainstream and her skills are adequate but not great. However, make no mistake, she's still Hip-hop. We just don't like her.

And let's keep it 100; she don't sound no worse (and in some cases a lot better) than a lot of these new rappers out here and no one questions wether they are Hip-hop or not. They just say lable them as wack and keep it movin' ...lol
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You actually make a very good/convincing analysis here.
 
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