Rachel Dolezal NAACP controversy
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andreboba
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Good idea. Let's ask the 10K BW on the hater site I like to whine about what they think.:lol:
Read two pages.....they said the same thing tdk, i and bliss been saying.....shes a liar.
When someone can break it down concisely why a WW deciding to be Black and choosing to pass as such is inherently racist, not just racially offensive, maybe I'll bend on this is.
But no one can.
Now a WW with a tan is racist. A perm is racist. Working for the NAACP posing as a BW is racist.
Yes she's reasonably attractive, but that's not why I'm not that bothered by Ms. Dolezal's life pursuit. When you see her talk and try to explain herself, I think her choice to be Black is sincere, if misguided.
This is the crazy thing about those harping on her tan.
If Ms. Dolezal tanned her skin to look less White, that's okay.
But if she did it to look more Black, that's a no-no.
LOL. Insanity, although both points of view are practically the same.
And no one can tell me which reason motivated Ms. Dolezal to get a tan.
Blackface as performance was usually meant to deliberately mock Black folk in the most grotesque way possible in a manner that caricatured their very humanity.
BTW people use the phrase 'racially offensive' and 'racist' interchangeably and that's wrong.
Some of my friends found Robert Downey's performance in Tropic Thunder racially offensive(I didn't..IMO it was about as close to the line as you can get to doing something really inappropriate in comedy but not quite crossing it), but it definitely wasn't racist.
If this.....
reminds you of this,
....you're too militant by half.:smt066
Wanna know what's up with Rachel Dolezal??
Read about it below from the perspective of another White person who's gone through a similar struggle, which is the reason I can't understand all the anger directed at her.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mercyn...hite-ally-has-a-little-bit-of-rachel-dolezal/
Hit it out of the ball park
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Bliss
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You keep forgetting KinCA. She has made some pretty brilliant assessments.
Oh my bad.
That's you bruh who fights himself into a corner when he knows he's wrong, just on some misguided sense of principle and ego self-preservation.
If I think I'm out on a logical limb with no point to make, I'm not gonna sit there and pout like some people around here do....constantly.
So are people upset with Ms. Dolezal because on some level she's a dishonest person, or because her assuming a Black identity is racist in its intent and execution???
No one has defended the lying about her background, or alleging crimes committed against her. (The Howard lawsuit if you check it I think was with merit, but I don't think she won.)
But I just don't have a problem if a WW believes she can become a BW and that's how she chooses to live her life, which seems to be the main 'lie' people are most concerned.
The last one sorry really doesn't bother me.
Finally there are lots of Black folk,etc. who refuse to be identified as African-American or Black because they believe both terms are either too broad or too limiting.
Ms. Dolezal didn't say she was African American, but you left out she sure as hell said she identifies as BLACK.
Many West Indians I know use those same excuses not be called Black/African American because it doesn't identify them culturally and assumes they are historically Black(in America) and not from immigrants.
See, the thing for me is, Ms. Dolezal saying she's Black is about par as someone from the Dominican Republic or St. Croix saying they aren't Black.
If it works for you, live your life.
P.S. - I think Ms. Dolezal can pull off being a BW better than someone from St. Croix who looks like they were at my family reunion saying they aren't Black.
Would someone pls rep this fella,
So she assumed a Blk identitiy coz she liked being blk, what is the big deal?She was insecure about her race and felt more comfortable with being blk. We all have insecurities...some lie about their weight, age, height, racial back ground, education, sexuality, religion affiliation, nationality, careers, etc... She is no different, the only thing is she went a great length to change her identity....
She has lied about her "race", so you wanna crucify her in public? smh... She didnt take your spot at Harvard Law nor did she take your spot at Univ Chicago Med school or U Penn Business school. She did not benefit from any minority scholarships. What has being blk gotten for her?? you making it sound as if she lied about her race and took advantage of great financial, academic and career opportunities. LoL yal starting 3rd WW as if she gotten a cabinet seat at Obama administration. She hasn't, so stand down and hold your firing squads.
Also she is not making blackface as it was in the movies, those films were deliberately made to mock blk folks, so white folks can laugh at our expense. Go back and view some of those idiot movies, they made us look grotesquely ugly freak, c'mon son this woman issue aint the same, she just identified as BW and altered her looks. I ain't mad at her.
What amaze me the most is some white folks thinking this lady gotta be out of her fucken mind to give up white privilege and choose from all "races" BUT blk, blk?? the lowest of lowest form, gottam, she is got to be schizophrenic? lmao,,,,that is condescending and inherhantly racist by itself.
And some of you keep bringing up her looks, as if ppl are sticking up for her coz of her looks rather than empathy and understanding is ridiculous. If you wanna talk about her looks, I will tell you this tho looking at her pictures she appears to be ugly as WW and better looking as a mix/BW, lol
Anyways, just came home after long day and I am tired & rambling....
Do you boo, don't let them bring you down.
I hope someone at MSNBC give this lady a spot next Dr. Mellisa Harris or Rachel Maddow
She has lied about her "race", so you wanna crucify her in public? smh... She didnt take your spot at Harvard Law nor did she take your spot at Univ Chicago Med school or U Penn Business school. She did not benefit from any minority scholarships. What has being blk gotten for her?? you making it sound as if she lied about her race and took advantage of great financial, academic and career opportunities. LoL yal starting 3rd WW as if she gotten a cabinet seat at Obama administration. She hasn't, so stand down and hold your firing squads.
Also she is not making blackface as it was in the movies, those films were deliberately made to mock blk folks, so white folks can laugh at our expense. Go back and view some of those idiot movies, they made us look grotesquely ugly freak, c'mon son this woman issue aint the same, she just identified as BW and altered her looks. I ain't mad at her.
What amaze me the most is some white folks thinking this lady gotta be out of her fucken mind to give up white privilege and choose from all "races" BUT blk, blk?? the lowest of lowest form, gottam, she is got to be schizophrenic? lmao,,,,that is condescending and inherhantly racist by itself.
And some of you keep bringing up her looks, as if ppl are sticking up for her coz of her looks rather than empathy and understanding is ridiculous. If you wanna talk about her looks, I will tell you this tho looking at her pictures she appears to be ugly as WW and better looking as a mix/BW, lol
Anyways, just came home after long day and I am tired & rambling....
Do you boo, don't let them bring you down.
I hope someone at MSNBC give this lady a spot next Dr. Mellisa Harris or Rachel Maddow
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Bliss
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Facinating Expose, Part 1
Inside Story: How Rachel Dolezal's Cover as a Black Woman Was Blown
http://www.people.com/people/mobile/article/0,,20931993,00.html
By Diane Herbst
Earlier this year, investigative reporter Jeff Selle of Idaho's Coeur d'Alene Press learned that Rachel Dolezal had reported finding a package filled with racial threats against her and addressed to her in the post office box of the Spokane, Washington NAACP, of which she was president at the time.
It caught Selle's attention since the many alleged hate crimes Dolezal reported while living in Coeur d'Alene were never substantiated, and he believed were not true.
"There hadn't been a string of hate crimes until she shows up," Selle tells PEOPLE. "And now with them allegedly happening in Spokane, I said, 'This looks fishy.' "
He soon discovered that Dolezal claimed a black man named Albert Wilkerson was her father, which Wilkerson denied in three interviews with Selle.
And then City Editor Maureen Dolan found a photo of Dolezal's white parents online.
Dolan had been a reporter in 2010 when Dolezal still lived in Idaho and was writing stories about her hate crime claims.
"Maureen asked Rachel point blank if she was African American and she said she was trans-racial and she said, 'What *does that mean?,' " Selle recalls. "The only reason we asked if she was black is because she claimed it was a racial attack."
Motivated by Dolezal's rising power in Spokane – as president of the local NAACP chapter and recently appointed chair of the city's police oversight commission – Selle sensed a story.
"As a journalist, one of our responsibilities is as a watchdog," he says. "She has a very powerful position on the police oversight commission. Any complaints against the police come to that commission. She has how many pending claims over there?"
Selle then tracked down Dolezal's mother Ruthanne Dolezal in Montana.
“The mom was reluctant to talk because of the legal issues pending against Rachel's brother in Colorado,” he says. “I convinced her to talk."
Her parents gave Selle pictures of their naturally blond, fair-skinned daughter, a copy of her birth certificate and published his story Black Like Me on June 11, setting off an international firestorm of publicity.
The interest in Dolezal's most recent claims of racially-motivated harassment were revived last week when the Spokane NAACP asked the Spokane Police Department to reopen its investigation into Dolezal's claim that on February 25, she received an un-postmarked, 18-page letter in the post office box of the NAACP from someone calling himself "War Pig. ret." that was filled with threats.
Police concluded the only person who could have put the letter in the box was someone with one of the two keys to the box – Dolezal had at least one of two keys, according to police reports obtained by PEOPLE.
The inquiry into that letter, and one Dolezal claims to have received from the same sender in May (but postmarked Oakland, California), was suspended on June 10 due to a lack of evidence, said Officer Teresa Fuller of the Spokane Police Department, who tells PEOPLE they have exhausted every lead in the case.
"We utilized every investigative tool we could," she says, including reaching out to the US Postal Inspector's Office and the FBI for assistance.
Shortly after Dolezal had received the February letter, Blaine Stum, the chair of the Spokane Human Rights Commission, put out a press release stating that Dolezal had been hit with her "ninth hate crime in less than a decade." He has now radically changed course.
"Every single one of them that she received, she represented as a clear threat to her and to her organization," Stum told The Inlander, which fired her as a freelancer on Monday. "The best thing we can do is to call it as what it is. And that is a lie."
But Stum, like many of her other former supporters, didn't have reason to doubt her until now. After Dolezal reported finding the February letter, she came across with sincerity and believability, as evident in a YouTube video.
In the video, Dolezal says, "This comes as a continuation of racist attacks on myself and my sons and other people in the community in Spokane and North Idaho in the last five to 10 years."
She also wrote about *the noose in her backyard on April 28, 2014 in her weekly column for The Inlander.
"My mind instantly tracked back to the parting words of a colleague at Howard University when we left Washington, D.C., en route to Idaho," she wrote on April 28, 2014. "'Don't go there; you'll get lynched!' "
In March, police launched an investigation to uncover who was behind the February package. They found the mail did not go through the normal postmarking process. It had uncancelled stamps, no postmark and no barcode on the envelope, according to police reports obtained by PEOPLE.
This led investigators to believe a postal worker or someone with a key to the P.O. box placed the letter there.
Following an investigation by the U.S. Postal Inspector and Spokane police, they cleared all postal workers and concluded the only way for the package to get into the box was with a front key, according to the police reports.
Fuller says DNA obtained from a piece of tape included in one of the letters was run through a national database – a DNA index system. "While we were able to identify the DNA came for a male, it did not match anybody in the national database," she says.
In another unsolved hate crime, this one while living in Couer d'Alene, Dolezal reported on June 15, 2010 that someone put a noose inside the outside storage shed of her rented home. Dolezal also claimed this had happened in other places she’s lived.
But an investigator discovered the "noose" was placed there by her landlord before she moved in to hang deer killed during hunting season. The landlord recounted to police he had told the same thing to Dolezal. When the investigator then attempted to contact Dolezal, she never returned his inquiry, according to the report.
"Rachel was informed of the information the Police Department received from her landlord that he believes the rope placed in the rafters was done so by him," Sgt. Christie Wood of the Coeur d'Alene Police Department tells PEOPLE.
"If she has chosen to disregard that information and continue to speak in public about a noose that is clearly her right to do so," she says. "We feel comfortable with the information obtained during our investigation and this case is closed."
Inside Story: How Rachel Dolezal's Cover as a Black Woman Was Blown
http://www.people.com/people/mobile/article/0,,20931993,00.html
By Diane Herbst
Earlier this year, investigative reporter Jeff Selle of Idaho's Coeur d'Alene Press learned that Rachel Dolezal had reported finding a package filled with racial threats against her and addressed to her in the post office box of the Spokane, Washington NAACP, of which she was president at the time.
It caught Selle's attention since the many alleged hate crimes Dolezal reported while living in Coeur d'Alene were never substantiated, and he believed were not true.
"There hadn't been a string of hate crimes until she shows up," Selle tells PEOPLE. "And now with them allegedly happening in Spokane, I said, 'This looks fishy.' "
He soon discovered that Dolezal claimed a black man named Albert Wilkerson was her father, which Wilkerson denied in three interviews with Selle.
And then City Editor Maureen Dolan found a photo of Dolezal's white parents online.
Dolan had been a reporter in 2010 when Dolezal still lived in Idaho and was writing stories about her hate crime claims.
"Maureen asked Rachel point blank if she was African American and she said she was trans-racial and she said, 'What *does that mean?,' " Selle recalls. "The only reason we asked if she was black is because she claimed it was a racial attack."
Motivated by Dolezal's rising power in Spokane – as president of the local NAACP chapter and recently appointed chair of the city's police oversight commission – Selle sensed a story.
"As a journalist, one of our responsibilities is as a watchdog," he says. "She has a very powerful position on the police oversight commission. Any complaints against the police come to that commission. She has how many pending claims over there?"
Selle then tracked down Dolezal's mother Ruthanne Dolezal in Montana.
“The mom was reluctant to talk because of the legal issues pending against Rachel's brother in Colorado,” he says. “I convinced her to talk."
Her parents gave Selle pictures of their naturally blond, fair-skinned daughter, a copy of her birth certificate and published his story Black Like Me on June 11, setting off an international firestorm of publicity.
The interest in Dolezal's most recent claims of racially-motivated harassment were revived last week when the Spokane NAACP asked the Spokane Police Department to reopen its investigation into Dolezal's claim that on February 25, she received an un-postmarked, 18-page letter in the post office box of the NAACP from someone calling himself "War Pig. ret." that was filled with threats.
Police concluded the only person who could have put the letter in the box was someone with one of the two keys to the box – Dolezal had at least one of two keys, according to police reports obtained by PEOPLE.
The inquiry into that letter, and one Dolezal claims to have received from the same sender in May (but postmarked Oakland, California), was suspended on June 10 due to a lack of evidence, said Officer Teresa Fuller of the Spokane Police Department, who tells PEOPLE they have exhausted every lead in the case.
"We utilized every investigative tool we could," she says, including reaching out to the US Postal Inspector's Office and the FBI for assistance.
Shortly after Dolezal had received the February letter, Blaine Stum, the chair of the Spokane Human Rights Commission, put out a press release stating that Dolezal had been hit with her "ninth hate crime in less than a decade." He has now radically changed course.
"Every single one of them that she received, she represented as a clear threat to her and to her organization," Stum told The Inlander, which fired her as a freelancer on Monday. "The best thing we can do is to call it as what it is. And that is a lie."
But Stum, like many of her other former supporters, didn't have reason to doubt her until now. After Dolezal reported finding the February letter, she came across with sincerity and believability, as evident in a YouTube video.
In the video, Dolezal says, "This comes as a continuation of racist attacks on myself and my sons and other people in the community in Spokane and North Idaho in the last five to 10 years."
She also wrote about *the noose in her backyard on April 28, 2014 in her weekly column for The Inlander.
"My mind instantly tracked back to the parting words of a colleague at Howard University when we left Washington, D.C., en route to Idaho," she wrote on April 28, 2014. "'Don't go there; you'll get lynched!' "
In March, police launched an investigation to uncover who was behind the February package. They found the mail did not go through the normal postmarking process. It had uncancelled stamps, no postmark and no barcode on the envelope, according to police reports obtained by PEOPLE.
This led investigators to believe a postal worker or someone with a key to the P.O. box placed the letter there.
Following an investigation by the U.S. Postal Inspector and Spokane police, they cleared all postal workers and concluded the only way for the package to get into the box was with a front key, according to the police reports.
Fuller says DNA obtained from a piece of tape included in one of the letters was run through a national database – a DNA index system. "While we were able to identify the DNA came for a male, it did not match anybody in the national database," she says.
In another unsolved hate crime, this one while living in Couer d'Alene, Dolezal reported on June 15, 2010 that someone put a noose inside the outside storage shed of her rented home. Dolezal also claimed this had happened in other places she’s lived.
But an investigator discovered the "noose" was placed there by her landlord before she moved in to hang deer killed during hunting season. The landlord recounted to police he had told the same thing to Dolezal. When the investigator then attempted to contact Dolezal, she never returned his inquiry, according to the report.
"Rachel was informed of the information the Police Department received from her landlord that he believes the rope placed in the rafters was done so by him," Sgt. Christie Wood of the Coeur d'Alene Police Department tells PEOPLE.
"If she has chosen to disregard that information and continue to speak in public about a noose that is clearly her right to do so," she says. "We feel comfortable with the information obtained during our investigation and this case is closed."
Bliss
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Part 2...cont.
The following is a list of the alleged hate crimes Rachel Dolezal reported, compiled from police reports in Couer D'Alene, Idaho and Spokane, Washington. Investigators were never able to verify her claims.
• September 21, 2009: Dolezal, then working as a staffer at the Human Rights Education Institute in Couer d'Alene, reports finding a noose on her front porch at the Spokane home she shares with a live-in boyfriend. She identifies herself as African American, is very concerned about her welfare, and "has been harassed by white supremicists in the past." No arrests were made in the case.
• Nov 19, 2009: Dolezal files a report on behalf of the Human Rights Education Institute in Couer d'Alene, where she worked. She claims she discovered a swastika sticker on the institute's door. Security cameras had malfunctioned at the time the swastika was placed, according to the police report.
• Sept. 3, 2010: Dolezal files a malicious injury report about a July incident in Couer d'Alene, when she allegedly found a palm-size dent on the front passenger panel.
• April 11, 2010: Dolezal files a report for harassing phone calls in Couer d'Alene. Dolezal claims to have received a vulgar phone call from a female student at North Idaho College. The prosecuting attorney's office declined to prosecute the case because they did not find sufficient evidence of phone harassment.
• June 15, 2010: Dolezal files a harassment report of a noose hanging in her carport behind her rented Coeur d'Alene home. In August of the same year, a detective files a supplemental report stating that in an effort to find potential witnesses who might have seen someone hang the rope, he contact's the home's owner, Randy Bell.
"He told me that he was 90 percent sure it was rope he hung there approximately (one year before the report)," the officer writes in the report. *"He said he hung a deer up there and he believes the rope is from that time."
Bell told police that he told Dolezal he was the one who had hung the rope in the rafters.
"I asked him when he gave Rachel the information that he was the one who may have hung the rope up there, and he said sometime around the time she filed the report," the police report states. "Randy was sympathetic to Rachel's concerns about the rope but he felt he may be the one who hung the rope up there."
The detective called Dolezal on Aug. 25, 2010 and left her a message to call him about the incident. He did not receive a return call from Dolezal. The case was closed Aug. 26, 2010.
• Feb. 25, 2015: Dolezal, then president of the Spokane NAACP, reports to Spokane police of receiving an envelope in the NAACP post office box containing an 18-page letter filled with harassing statements and images aimed at her. The envelope is not postmarked and Dolezal is the only person known to have a key to the P.O. box.
Dolezal reports receiving another letter from the same sender in May and postmarked Oakland, California. After an extensive investigation involving the U.S. Postal Service, the Spokane Police, the F.B.I. and a DNA matching effort, the case was suspended June 10 due to lack of evidence.
• Feb. 26, 2015: Dolezal reports her son was called a racial slur and was chased into a Spokane store. After an investigation, witnesses said no racial slur was made and that he walked casually into the store to buy candy. The case was closed March 23.
• April 13: Two people mistakenly walked into Dolezal's unlocked house because they were lost. Dolezal claims the two people attempted a home invasion, and she felt harassed. But her son, home at the time, told police he wasn't scared.
"They seemed like normal, middle-class white people," he told police, noting the couple took the time to try and catch the family cat, which had escaped into a neighbor's yard. Police were unable to identify the two people and determine what their intent was. The case was suspended April 27.
• Additional reporting by Christine Pelisek.
The following is a list of the alleged hate crimes Rachel Dolezal reported, compiled from police reports in Couer D'Alene, Idaho and Spokane, Washington. Investigators were never able to verify her claims.
• September 21, 2009: Dolezal, then working as a staffer at the Human Rights Education Institute in Couer d'Alene, reports finding a noose on her front porch at the Spokane home she shares with a live-in boyfriend. She identifies herself as African American, is very concerned about her welfare, and "has been harassed by white supremicists in the past." No arrests were made in the case.
• Nov 19, 2009: Dolezal files a report on behalf of the Human Rights Education Institute in Couer d'Alene, where she worked. She claims she discovered a swastika sticker on the institute's door. Security cameras had malfunctioned at the time the swastika was placed, according to the police report.
• Sept. 3, 2010: Dolezal files a malicious injury report about a July incident in Couer d'Alene, when she allegedly found a palm-size dent on the front passenger panel.
• April 11, 2010: Dolezal files a report for harassing phone calls in Couer d'Alene. Dolezal claims to have received a vulgar phone call from a female student at North Idaho College. The prosecuting attorney's office declined to prosecute the case because they did not find sufficient evidence of phone harassment.
• June 15, 2010: Dolezal files a harassment report of a noose hanging in her carport behind her rented Coeur d'Alene home. In August of the same year, a detective files a supplemental report stating that in an effort to find potential witnesses who might have seen someone hang the rope, he contact's the home's owner, Randy Bell.
"He told me that he was 90 percent sure it was rope he hung there approximately (one year before the report)," the officer writes in the report. *"He said he hung a deer up there and he believes the rope is from that time."
Bell told police that he told Dolezal he was the one who had hung the rope in the rafters.
"I asked him when he gave Rachel the information that he was the one who may have hung the rope up there, and he said sometime around the time she filed the report," the police report states. "Randy was sympathetic to Rachel's concerns about the rope but he felt he may be the one who hung the rope up there."
The detective called Dolezal on Aug. 25, 2010 and left her a message to call him about the incident. He did not receive a return call from Dolezal. The case was closed Aug. 26, 2010.
• Feb. 25, 2015: Dolezal, then president of the Spokane NAACP, reports to Spokane police of receiving an envelope in the NAACP post office box containing an 18-page letter filled with harassing statements and images aimed at her. The envelope is not postmarked and Dolezal is the only person known to have a key to the P.O. box.
Dolezal reports receiving another letter from the same sender in May and postmarked Oakland, California. After an extensive investigation involving the U.S. Postal Service, the Spokane Police, the F.B.I. and a DNA matching effort, the case was suspended June 10 due to lack of evidence.
• Feb. 26, 2015: Dolezal reports her son was called a racial slur and was chased into a Spokane store. After an investigation, witnesses said no racial slur was made and that he walked casually into the store to buy candy. The case was closed March 23.
• April 13: Two people mistakenly walked into Dolezal's unlocked house because they were lost. Dolezal claims the two people attempted a home invasion, and she felt harassed. But her son, home at the time, told police he wasn't scared.
"They seemed like normal, middle-class white people," he told police, noting the couple took the time to try and catch the family cat, which had escaped into a neighbor's yard. Police were unable to identify the two people and determine what their intent was. The case was suspended April 27.
• Additional reporting by Christine Pelisek.
I see her as a human being, but we all got to be labeled in Amerikkka right, she was born white but identify as Blk as simple as that. She has assimilated and culturally blk, she did not do it for mockery or to cheat the system so she can gain great wealth. To me she appears to be sincere and her heart is not trying to be malignant. She just a troubled lady. Don't get me wrong I don't condone her falsification of those crime reports and totally against that and wished she hasn't..... but to call her all sorts of names and throw her under the bus coz of her identity crisis is cruel. Her parents if they loved her they will sit down with her and try to help work thru her issues and be there for her rather than throwing her under high speed bus in nationally televised media, smh
The Dark King
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But she's harmless lol
Bliss
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I live with and around and have assimilated with local Black people way more than her. Does that make me a Black woman? So that's all it takes? Get real.
If Rachel was screaming false rape that a BM did it, would you dismiss her as non-malignant?
She cut her parents off...she claimed her brother would force her to look at naked African women in National Geographic, and tell her he masturbated to them, while fondling her breasts. She said at 5 she knew she was black. How the he'll does a 5year old white girl from the sticks know she's black?
You can support her as your NAACP leader, but l'll give my respect to authentic leaders who have really lived the struggle or sympathized with the struggle, not someone who missappropriated it and lied to the very people she claims to love.
Another home run