3 men killed waitress for tips

The Dark King said:
Lol you definitely aren't paying attention. You're comparing people taking the time to donate food to their local food banks or giving the homeless blankets to trying to fight off dudes with guns? So if he attempted and died as he most likely would have that would make it better?
What if it were your son who was hiding? Would you be happy he was still alive or happy he had "tried" to do the right thing and died?
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Getting away from the "me, me, me" culture is more than just donating goods. It's bigger than that. If you don't get that, that's fine. You can focus on the one little corner of the culture that you choose to.

As for my son, of course I'd be happy that he was still alive. He's the one who has to live with his decisions, not me. You and I have spoken many times about the way I raise my kids, and I'd imagine they'll grow up with convictions similar to mine. If he chooses to believe differently and his gut instinct is to hide, that's his choice. I'll love him no less, if that's what you're getting at. He's my son...he's got my heart no matter what. Doesn't mean I have to agree with all his decision though.
 
It is completely selfish to want someone to come and save you knowing that they will not win and will suffer the same fate. :smt018
It shows no regard for your lover's life.:smt018

that is a ME ME ME culture because it is about you. It isn't about your lover staying alive but about you.

There was no way this guy was going to win. He knew it and called for backup.

No sense in two dead bodies instead of one.
 
archangel said:
It is completely selfish to want someone to come and save you knowing that they will not win and will suffer the same fate. :smt018
It shows no regard for your lover's life.:smt018

that is a ME ME ME culture because it is about you. It isn't about your lover staying alive but about you.

There was no way this guy was going to win. He knew it and called for backup.

No sense in two dead bodies instead of one.
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Amen sir

But they can die knowing they tried right? Lol
 
RaiderLL said:
Getting away from the "me, me, me" culture is more than just donating goods. It's bigger than that. If you don't get that, that's fine. You can focus on the one little corner of the culture that you choose to.

As for my son, of course I'd be happy that he was still alive. He's the one who has to live with his decisions, not me. You and I have spoken many times about the way I raise my kids, and I'd imagine they'll grow up with convictions similar to mine. If he chooses to believe differently and his gut instinct is to hide, that's his choice. I'll love him no less, if that's what you're getting at. He's my son...he's got my heart no matter what. Doesn't mean I have to agree with all his decision though.
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You're reasoning is so weird to me. So let me get this straight you think its better to die trying to save someone even though its more than likely both of you will die?
 
archangel said:
It is completely selfish to want someone to come and save you knowing that they will not win and will suffer the same fate. :smt018
It shows no regard for your lover's life.:smt018

that is a ME ME ME culture because it is about you. It isn't about your lover staying alive but about you.

There was no way this guy was going to win. He knew it and called for backup.

No sense in two dead bodies instead of one.
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You don't KNOW that though, that's the point. You're making assumptions about how things would turn out.

I seriously doubt this guy sat behind the door and contemplated whether or not he'd be successful in a fight against the two attackers. His gut reaction was to hide. That's on him...for the rest of his life. I can appreciate that you and TDK feel differently than I, and truthfully it makes me that much more grateful for the men in my life. I'd never have to want them to step in...they'd just do it. I know it's easy to say we would or wouldn't jump in, but if it was your mother/sister/daughter/wife...I just can't imagine that you wouldn't open that door and fight for her. Adrenaline kicks in, and you might be surprised by how you respond.
 
RaiderLL said:
You don't KNOW that though, that's the point. You're making assumptions about how things would turn out.

I seriously doubt this guy sat behind the door and contemplated whether or not he'd be successful in a fight against the two attackers. His gut reaction was to hide. That's on him...for the rest of his life. I can appreciate that you and TDK feel differently than I, and truthfully it makes me that much more grateful for the men in my life. I'd never have to want them to step in...they'd just do it. I know it's easy to say we would or wouldn't jump in, but if it was your mother/sister/daughter/wife...I just can't imagine that you wouldn't open that door and fight for her. Adrenaline kicks in, and you might be surprised by how you respond.
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People SAY a lot of shit and maybe that brings you comfort but what they DO is completely different. We're all action heroes in our little fantasies but when the reality of death is right there everything changes, but whatever this is moot since we all have our respected ideas on the topic.
 
The Dark King said:
You're reasoning is so weird to me. So let me get this straight you think its better to die trying to save someone even though its more than likely both of you will die?
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As yours is to me love.


I think it's always better to help our loved ones, instead of thinking solely of ourselves. To me it doesn't matter if it's a life or death situation, or if it's as simple as the last chip in the bowl. I don't need you to agree with me, I was simply stating my opinion. As long as you're comfortable with your actions, it doesn't matter what I think.

The Dark King said:
People SAY a lot of shit and maybe that brings you comfort but what they DO is completely different. We're all action heroes in our little fantasies but when the reality of death is right there everything changes, but whatever this is moot since we all have our respected ideas on the topic.
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Correct.
 
RaiderLL said:
You don't KNOW that though, that's the point. You're making assumptions about how things would turn out.

I seriously doubt this guy sat behind the door and contemplated whether or not he'd be successful in a fight against the two attackers. His gut reaction was to hide. That's on him...for the rest of his life. I can appreciate that you and TDK feel differently than I, and truthfully it makes me that much more grateful for the men in my life. I'd never have to want them to step in...they'd just do it. I know it's easy to say we would or wouldn't jump in, but if it was your mother/sister/daughter/wife...I just can't imagine that you wouldn't open that door and fight for her. Adrenaline kicks in, and you might be surprised by how you respond.
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You are making an assumption as well. My assumption is far more likely to happen. It only takes a few seconds to decide if you want to fight with two guys who have guns. I'm sorry but the chances of you winning in that kind of fight is very low. You could be as big as shaq and the best fighter on the planet. One bullet to the brain puts you out for good. This isn't a complicated math problem. It takes less than 5 seconds to think about it.

I'll agree with you if they are unarmed but a gun changes the field.
 
RaiderLL said:
This is nauseating. I'm certainly not trying to get into another argument about stepping in when you witness a physical altercation, but if a man sees through the peephole, the woman he loves being attacked and he doesn't open the door and tear into the fucker(s) hurting her...shame on him.

I can understand not stepping into a fight between strangers (I don't agree with that way of thinking, but I understand the reasoning behind it)...but I'll never understand someone not defending those they love. He didn't open the door until the assailants were gone and his girlfriend was dying...seems like a cowardly move to me.
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This is where I had a problem with your thinking. Open the door and tear into fuckers with guns? Good luck with that.
 
archangel said:
You are making an assumption as well. My assumption is far more likely to happen. It only takes a few seconds to decide if you want to fight with two guys who have guns. I'm sorry but the chances of you winning in that kind of fight is very low. You could be as big as shaq and the best fighter on the planet. One bullet to the brain puts you out for good. This isn't a complicated math problem. It takes less than 5 seconds to think about it.

I'll agree with you if they are unarmed but a gun changes the field.
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I absolutely agree with you. But you're assuming he knew they had a gun and made his decision based on all the facts. The article said he saw his gf in a chokehold, and he called 911 and screamed for help. Didn't say he saw assailants with guns and called 911.

Again, I understand your point...I really do. You and TDK have been perfectly clear about where you stand. I recognize that I'm in the minority here, and that's ok with me :)
 
RaiderLL said:
If he saw the guns, I can understand his hesitation. The article didn't say that though.
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Or maybe he recognized there were two of them, possibly much bigger than him, and there wouldn't be much he could do.
Like I said I think tv and movies have our heads all fucked up thinking normal everyday people can take on two killers by themselves. Well anyway you slice it I think I might need to hire you to be my bodyguard lol
 
The Dark King said:
Or maybe he recognized there were two of them, possibly much bigger than him, and there wouldn't be much he could do.
Like I said I think tv and movies have our heads all fucked up thinking normal everyday people can take on two killers by themselves. Well anyway you slice it I think I might need to hire you to be my bodyguard lol
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Hahahaha hilarious :smt042

You've seen me love...let's just hope I don't have to drag you to safety. I'm not much in the muscle department, but I'll go down fighting (ya know, cause I'm crazy like that) :freehug:
 
RaiderLL said:
I absolutely agree with you. But you're assuming he knew they had a gun and made his decision based on all the facts. The article said he saw his gf in a chokehold, and he called 911 and screamed for help. Didn't say he saw assailants with guns and called 911.

Again, I understand your point...I really do. You and TDK have been perfectly clear about where you stand. I recognize that I'm in the minority here, and that's ok with me :)
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I guess we can leave it neutral because he didn't say that he didn't see the gun after the call or even before the call. We don't know what he knew after the call. I just think he made the right call because only one person died that night. The odds were against him.

as cold as it is to say. one dead body is better than 2.
 
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Typical acts of todays "Madden Kings (worthless niccas with no purpose in life)"

Notice the first two cretins were from the Chi, where they have turned the place into a shithole of violence and homicides in for families stuck in the hood.

Kill a woman for $85 homey, fuck outta here man.

Bum ass niggas. Just the kind of useless social shit stains that would kill you or me for a pair of sneakers or a smartphone.

Mugs like these reak havoc on the inner city communities every day with their degenerative behaviors.

No value for the lives of others. Hope they rot for life in an Indiana Maximum security prison.

May the victim Rest In Peace
 
GQ Brotha said:
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Typical acts of todays "Madden Kings (worthless niccas with no purpose in life)"

Notice the first two cretins were from the Chi, where they have turned the place into a shithole of violence and homicides in for families stuck in the hood.

Kill a woman for $85 homey, fuck outta here man.

Bum ass niggas. Just the kind of useless social shit stains that would kill you or me for a pair of sneakers or a smartphone.

Mugs like these reak havoc on the inner city communities every day with their degenerative behaviors.

No value for the lives of others. Hope they rot for life in an Indiana Maximum security prison.

May the victim Rest In Peace
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Mr.GQ ,
I detect the combination of outrage and shame in your tone. ..well I don't know where you have been recent weeks, but we now have a self appointed authority in town who shuns diatribes like the one you have exhibited here. ...He would prefer if we not aid in publicizing this reality in the community. ....we are to dwell instead on bringing to the forefront only the positive contributions of the community. ..
 
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Archman said:
Mr.GQ ,
I detect the combination of outrage and shame in your tone. ..well I don't know where have been recent weeks, but we now have a self appointed authority in town who shuns diatribes like the one you have exhibited here. ...He would prefer if we not aid in publicizing this reality in the community. ....we are to dwell instead on bringing to the forefront only the positive contributions of the community. ..
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:confused:


Don't we have the Black Men Vs Black Men thread up where pretty much everyone went in that joint and said we should be talking about the problems of the black community & offering up solutions of some kind?? It's about time for you to take off those seriously warped glasses you see things through......:rolleyes:
 
The Dark King said:
Or maybe he recognized there were two of them, possibly much bigger than him, and there wouldn't be much he could do.
Like I said I think tv and movies have our heads all fucked up thinking normal everyday people can take on two killers by themselves. Well anyway you slice it I think I might need to hire you to be my bodyguard lol
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Most people that do dumb shit like the guys in the story. Don't really know how to shoot a gun anyway. How often you think they go to the range?? Killers huh?? lulz They are the ones that think like the movies, just point and pull the trigger huh. Yeah I would take my chances defending someone I love.
 
Archman said:
Mr.GQ ,
I detect the combination of outrage and shame in your tone. ..well I don't know where have been recent weeks, but we now have a self appointed authority in town who shuns diatribes like the one you have exhibited here. ...He would prefer if we not aid in publicizing this reality in the community. ....we are to dwell instead on bringing to the forefront only the positive contributions of the community. ..
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It is what it is. I say fuck it. These clowns don't deserve PC treatment.

When fools like these run the streets creating chaos for folks who just want to live their lives they are a menace to society. This woman was working an honest job and lost her life at the hands of a trio of bums who have nothing going for them in life.

Niccas were playing video games after taking an innocent person's life, how fucked up do you have to be. That shit is stomach churning.

Its these kind of degenerates that have raised the murder rates in Chicago, where two of them were from.

Wouldn't shock me one bit if they were part of some dumb ass gang, that gave meaning to their pathetic existence.

These dudes do this type of shit to black folks who they live between every day. Dog eat dog mentality of criminal behavior with no thoughts of consequences.

They need to be called out and buried 6 feet deep. Fucking sickening frankly.
 
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