Alton Sterling

[archangel]

He had a gun in an open carry state. And what reason did they have to tackle him to the ground? He was selling CDs

If you really think that you aren't going to jump to an extreme when you have to investigate a scene where you heard a guy had a gun, you must be more chill than me.

Remember someone called in to complain about him with the gun. I don't think most if any of this was Alton's fault except the resisting part.

 

[Beasty]

If the two cops thought Alton Sterling was reaching in his pocket for a gun, you would think the FIRST thing they would have done once he was on the ground was go into his pockets themselves.

There is no police procedure where a cop shoots a man point blank range while his knee in his chest.

I know it was a weird angle and Alton was partially under the front of the car, but how cowardly and afraid do two bigass, burly cops have to be to lose control of that situation??

They were sitting on top of him and wearing kevlar vests.
Act like you're in control and show some restraint.
They pussied out like two 15 year old fake punk tough guys.

Listen to the vid.
The cop didn't say if Alton reached for his gun he was gonna shoot him, he said if you fucking move and then pull out his service revolver.

They shot dude 5-6 times.

That's not police procedure. That's straight two cops being too afraid and punk ass to do their jobs.

Doesn't matter what anyone thinks they saw anyway.

In Baton Rouge no jury is going to charge two White cops with murder when the suspect was armed.

You're right, we as Black folk are not allowed to own firearms, no matter what the laws say.

A White dude with a gun is a patriot and defender of the 2nd Amendment.
A Black man with a gun is an armed and dangerous criminal suspect.

I'll say it again to anyone who will listen, as a Black man no matter what you think your rights are, if a cop stops you, you are no longer in control of the situation.

If you try to pretend you and that cop are on equal footing or that you have a 'right' to argue with him, you're fucking with your LIFE.

The only time I would ever be aggressive with a cop is if I thought he was going to kill me anyway, like if he got me out of my car, took out his gun and told me to walk into an alley.

Otherwise, you have to let the cop do whatever bullshit he or she is going to do and realize you just got processed into the legal system and let shit play out.

What I think I'm gonna do is set up a dash cam system for my car so I have PROOF of what went down if a cop tries to bullshit his way into charging me for something I didn't do.

If they really needed to they could have hit him with the barrel. He would need stitches but at least he would be alive; even that would have been unnecessary. Those guys are just cowards. They obviously want to kill but feel a need to hide behind a badge to do it.

 

[Beasty]

If you really think that you aren't going to jump to an extreme when you have to investigate a scene where you heard a guy had a gun, you must be more chill than me.

Remember someone called in to complain about him with the gun. I don't think most if any of this was Alton's fault except the resisting part.

If you are a cop hearing about a gun shouldn't cause you to panic. There are other things you can do for a living. Cops have plenty of training and they have numbers. It's not that easy to hit something with a hand gun and most people are not accurate.

 

[archangel]

If you are a cop hearing about a gun shouldn't cause you to panic. There are other things you can do for a living. Cops have plenty of training and they have numbers. It's not that easy to hit something with a hand gun and most people are not accurate.

That is very idealistic. They are as human as everyone else and to be honest Baton rouge aren't hiring FBI agenets.... They take what they can get. and what they get aren't that good. That being said I wish that I could agree but Alton is clearly dead and I suspect that it was because they feared they would have got shot. any how saddens me but not much surprises me with human nature any more.

 

[Beasty]

That is very idealistic. They are as human as everyone else and to be honest Baton rouge aren't hiring FBI agenets.... They take what they can get. and what they get aren't that good. That being said I wish that I could agree but Alton is clearly dead and I suspect that it was because they feared they would have got shot. any how saddens me but not much surprises me with human nature any more.

Idealistic? How come police officer is the only job not at least held to a standard of malpractice? You wanna tell me that their job is soo much harder than everyone else's? Do that in the military and you go to Leavenworth. Poor people may take what they can get but can a doctor simply kill them and walk away like that?

 

[archangel]

Idealistic? How come police officer is the only job not at least held to a standard of malpractice? You wanna tell me that their job is soo much harder than everyone else's? Do that in the military and you go to Leavenworth. Poor people may take what they can get but can a doctor simply kill them and walk away like that?

My idealistic comment was pointed towards "If you are a cop hearing about a gun shouldn't cause you to panic"

I think it is unrealistic given the poor pickings hence the idealistic.

To be direct, I agree with you that it shouldn't make them panic but it does for some of them. I agree that they shouldn't be on the job but they are. It is what it is. The rest of what you wrote I think was because you misinterpreted what I wrote and I am pretty sure that I was not clear.

 

[medullaslashin]

If the two cops thought Alton Sterling was reaching in his pocket for a gun, you would think the FIRST thing they would have done once he was on the ground was go into his pockets themselves.

There is no police procedure where a cop shoots a man point blank range while his knee in his chest.

I know it was a weird angle and Alton was partially under the front of the car, but how cowardly and afraid do two bigass, burly cops have to be to lose control of that situation??

They were sitting on top of him and wearing kevlar vests.
Act like you're in control and show some restraint.
They pussied out like two 15 year old fake punk tough guys.

Listen to the vid.
The cop didn't say if Alton reached for his gun he was gonna shoot him, he said if you fucking move and then pull out his service revolver.

They shot dude 5-6 times.

That's not police procedure. That's straight two cops being too afraid and punk ass to do their jobs.

Doesn't matter what anyone thinks they saw anyway.

In Baton Rouge no jury is going to charge two White cops with murder when the suspect was armed.

You're right, we as Black folk are not allowed to own firearms, no matter what the laws say.

A White dude with a gun is a patriot and defender of the 2nd Amendment.
A Black man with a gun is an armed and dangerous criminal suspect.

I'll say it again to anyone who will listen, as a Black man no matter what you think your rights are, if a cop stops you, you are no longer in control of the situation.

If you try to pretend you and that cop are on equal footing or that you have a 'right' to argue with him, you're fucking with your LIFE.

The only time I would ever be aggressive with a cop is if I thought he was going to kill me anyway, like if he got me out of my car, took out his gun and told me to walk into an alley.

Otherwise, you have to let the cop do whatever bullshit he or she is going to do and realize you just got processed into the legal system and let shit play out.

What I think I'm gonna do is set up a dash cam system for my car so I have PROOF of what went down if a cop tries to bullshit his way into charging me for something I didn't do.

I see where you're coming from, but you can't second-guess those cops to that huge extent. There was a struggle, Alton looked like he was reaching, he was armed, the call was about a gun...

This is a clear case of "let the courts sort it out" (though yes, you're right -- there's no way in hell they're going to convict the cops).

Just saying "pick your battles". This one doesn't seem to be deserving of the national outrage.

I will say this, however: it's sad that anyone with a phone can get a black man executed these days, just by calling the cops and saying "he's got a gun".

I'll also say, I think black men should buy guns, get cc permits, hit the ranges more than ever.

I don't like guns and I used to be for increased gun control, but now I think, fuck it -- we should be as well armed as the zimmermans of the country (better armed in fact) and ready to protect our kids from these wolves.

Especially when society is pushing shit like the second amendment doesn't apply to us...

"Honor killings" have a place when the law will not protect you.

If the law lets off that pussy little "badge bully" who killed castille (like it did zimmerman)... and castille's father (or brother or cousin) decided to piece together a kit & "sanction" the motherfucker (or even the motherfucker's family) I would wish him godspeed.

 

[Bliss]

My idealistic comment was pointed towards "If you are a cop hearing about a gun shouldn't cause you to panic"

I think it is unrealistic given the poor pickings hence the idealistic.

To be direct, I agree with you that it shouldn't make them panic but it does for some of them. I agree that they shouldn't be on the job but they are. ...

The video captures they ordered him on the ground, then tasered him a few times,(3?) but he did not go down. They then tackled him to the ground. Both video footages apparently captured one cop saying (muffled) "he's going for the taser" right after the one cop told him "don't move or l swear to God -"

 

[JUANMACKER]

police need national training or retraining...

Japan has hand to hand combat grappling training that can trap and apprehend

suspects without using tazers or shooting, killing suspects...even if they resist

arrest...


Alton did not have to die...

 

[Beasty]

Baton Rouge police chief fired

Goodbye!


http://www.nola.com/crime/baton-rouge/index.ssf/2013/02/baton_rouge_police_chief_deway.html

 

[The Dark King]

If you really think that you aren't going to jump to an extreme when you have to investigate a scene where you heard a guy had a gun, you must be more chill than me.

Remember someone called in to complain about him with the gun. I don't think most if any of this was Alton's fault except the resisting part.

Yet they seem to always be able to talk to white people with guns and no one dies. Coincidence?

 

[Euro23]

How can this crap keep happening???????

Because weapons are so freely available in the U.S.
The Police react this way because of the high threat level involved in their work. Experience shows them that there is a good chance the person they stop is armed.
Its not an excuse for the incidents which happened but its the reason.
This does not happen in other countries. Or at least rarely.
People should be marching against the proliferations of weapons in American society.

 

[Beasty]

Because weapons are so freely available in the U.S.
The Police react this way because of the high threat level involved in their work. Experience shows them that there is a good chance the person they stop is armed.
Its not an excuse for the incidents which happened but its the reason.
This does not happen in other countries. Or at least rarely.
People should be marching against the proliferations of weapons in American society.

Wrong

 

[Bliss]

Yet they seem to always be able to talk to white people with guns and no one dies. Coincidence?

Wrong.

 

[beccaomecca]

Police brutality dates wayyyyy back. Yes the guns are too readily available. Some corrupt cops are just trigger happy. But if they didn't kill with guns they'd kill with batons they'd find a way to take an innocent persons life and have some lame excuse as to why they did it felt threatened or whatever they can come up with as we've continually heard over the last week or so. Other countries don't have the same degree of angst and lingering racial tension, bullshit meaningless supremacy cults, fkd up healthcare system, and a plethora of mental health issues that never get address because the government only gives a fk about certain people. As long as the hate is there even without guns they'll kill with their bare hands.

 

[archangel]

Because weapons are so freely available in the U.S.
The Police react this way because of the high threat level involved in their work. Experience shows them that there is a good chance the person they stop is armed.
Its not an excuse for the incidents which happened but its the reason.
This does not happen in other countries. Or at least rarely.
People should be marching against the proliferations of weapons in American society.

Actually opposite. Most police stop people on traffic violations and most Americans do not own guns. Most Police officers go throughout their career never using a service revolver. It is pretty common.

 

[beccaomecca]

 

[The Dark King]

Wrong.

Do you need video proof? Because I've seen plenty of videos where there is deep discussions and a lot of patience when dealing with armed white people. Hell look at the Cliven Bundy situation, he and his followers had guns pointed at Federal agents yet not a single one of them died, so much for I was in fear for my life huh. Hell even the Aurora shooter after killing over 70 people was apprehended, the dude who killed 9 people in a church apprehended, guys who held up a federal reserve apprehended, bikers after a deadly shootout apprehended shit they were even playing on their cell phones. But for some reason the very site of a black person is damn threatening there isn't even a command ie Tamir Rice and John Crawford. We are so damn scary so animalistic their eyes they don't even feel the need to say halt before opening fire.
Bliss get the fuck out of here with that asinine bull shit.

 

[flaminghetero]

Sorry guys -- I gotta go against the grain on this one.

In the vid above, he looked like he was reaching (looking down, moving his arm, fumbling with something). Plus, he did in fact have a gun, and he didn't cooperate from the jump.

A bit more on that last point: I know cops are not "massa" and we shouldn't have to lay down on the ground when they say so - but - they are armed men.

If this were a "bad guy" who accosted him instead, he would've cooperated. Well, cop aren't all "good guys" (shouldn't we know that by now?), so when they have their guns trained on you and are shouting, you need to treat the situation like you would with any other bad guy. Live to fight back another day.

I can't say this is a justified shooting, but it's america's version of a justified shooting.

I'm far more upset about the Philando Castile shooting, because Philando did nothing wrong. He informed the cop that he had a legal weapon, and then the cop shot him when he went for his id (because the cop had requested his id).

If a cop asks me for ID, I think I'd rather just say, "officer, can I just assume the position instead? I don't want to reach for my wallet and have you overreact."

Then let him find the gun I guess, and tell him it's legal and where the permit is.

But what's reaaaally fucked up about the the Philando Castile shooting is we're not allowed to have our own weapons. Blacks get shot for having a bb gun at the counter where they sell bb guns -- no questions asked, just run up and shoot -- while white guys can walk around with AKs strapped to their shoulders.

All captured on video, and we're supposed to just swallow it, like we're broken.

This cannot stand.

The cops confiscated the video of the shooting from the store owner.

If they were in the right...they wouldn't have to confiscate anything...much less intimidate and harass the store owner.

 

[archangel]

Yet they seem to always be able to talk to white people with guns and no one dies. Coincidence?

No not really. They kill more American white people than any other group. You just see it on tv and not see the killings on TV. Dylan nobles wasn't talked down. Another cop shot a kid dead with a wii controller. They even had voice recordings of a cops saying he was going to shot a dude in the dick. Killed the guy on the hill. The victim was white. All Americans need to unite against bad policing.